Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #1

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Apparenlly, Warren Buffet lives in a very modest home. Perhaps he has others. I do not know.

I can never undrstand the need of a home with 42 rooms, for instance. The Sherman house looks perfectly adequate for living.

I wonder who did the different maintenance things at their house. Cleaning, yardwork, pool.

Other people who may come.

It does look like a dignified way to die.

Even if it was murder, suicide. Unless the pool has some big meaning in their lives
 
A view of the Sherman home circa 2015.
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I repeat the concept of him killing her elsewhere and dragging her down into the basement does not make any sense. If he had killed her elsewhere and wanted to kill himself there would have been ample locations with pipes railings Etc that he would have been more likely to hang himself from. The concept of him dragging her all the way down to the basement where it is only a lap pool is ludicrous. People commit suicide in a location that they are very comfortable with so the idea that he would go to tremendous lengths to drag his wife into this random seemingly random location is just not consistent with that line of thinking. That line of thinking would have had him hanging himself nearby to where he had killed her only thinking that he could not live with himself. Why drag her all the way down to the basement lap pool and then quite literally string her up next to him? This was a scene staged to make them look bad and staged to be shocking which is the signature of some kind of hit. As I have repeated we cannot even really speculate on the number of motives there would be for a murder of a billionaire. This is trickier than a usual case because even some of the smaller issues to a billionaire would involve millions of dollars. Just think logically about this idea that he killed her elsewhere but then dragged her down stairs into the basement string her up next to the lap pool and then hanged himself by the lap pool. It does not make any sense if what you are saying is that he wanted to die nearby his wife. I saw the photos of the house and there would have been about a dozen locations that he would have went to before he would have dragged his wife's body downstairs to be by the lap pool. This was a scene staged for shock value.

Theory :
Perhaps he was about to finalize a new will that cut someone out and they were aware of being cut out of the will. This would explain why BOTH husband and wife were killed. I think we should really be thinking if you discount the concept of murder-suicide, then why were BOTH of them killed. If you conclude murder, it is a critical detail that someone went to the lengths of not just killing Barry but killing both of them.

This is one of a million theories that should be considered before everyone is just like "OK murder-suicide...makes sense.", because no, it really doesn't. People have read his comments about there being no God and life having no meaning but the second part of that quote relates to living for the sake of achievement and this man was continuing to achieve in his life. Murder-suicide is about as likely as the other million of motives there are at this point. They are all equally unlikely due to the strange nature of the scene, so they are all one in a million... but only one of them is the real truth. The elites who really know what Barry was "into" might close ranks on the police and we may never know what the true motive was for their demise.



I’m curious if you’re close to this case somehow. You’re a brand new member and have been posting on this thread only.

Anyhow - welcome!


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They were both in the basement, I read. I suppose it could be carbon monoxide poisoning but I'm thinking that a financial reason will be at the center of this. JMO
A: Both found in the basement.
B: House for sale.

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Here's the thing- if you hang someone, you watch them suffer for a good long while before they are dead. I think someone wanted them more than dead- a simple bullet to the head would accomplish that. Someone wanted to watch them suffer.

That is horrible to even think about.
Or keep the home pristine so that it could still be sold without any professional crime scene clean up team necessary.


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I repeat the concept of him killing her elsewhere and dragging her down into the basement does not make any sense. If he had killed her elsewhere and wanted to kill himself there would have been ample locations with pipes railings Etc that he would have been more likely to hang himself from. The concept of him dragging her all the way down to the basement where it is only a lap pool is ludicrous. People commit suicide in a location that they are very comfortable with so the idea that he would go to tremendous lengths to drag his wife into this random seemingly random location is just not consistent with that line of thinking. That line of thinking would have had him hanging himself nearby to where he had killed her only thinking that he could not live with himself.
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This is simply not true. People choose all kinds of places; they are not thinking rationally at that point.

In car in airport parking lot. http://www.ajc.com/news/national/ma...arking-lot-for-months/gchianplMZHzOq3QqffhrK/

Wal-Mart parking lot. http://www.whio.com/news/national/w...had-been-there-months/ILoM6srqn19HVNVLi6kPmL/

Some weird inner room in a downtown parking garage. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/2...t-found-inside-parking-garage-police-say.html

Boiler room of an abandoned building. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/540407

Basement of home, strangulation. http://www.insideedition.com/body-m...r-husband-confesses-murder-suicide-note-37548

An attic. https://nypost.com/2016/12/02/woman-finds-mummified-remains-of-grandson-in-attic/

Inside the trunk of his car. http://katu.com/news/local/missing-george-fox-students-body-found-suicide-suspected

Another trunk. http://fox4kc.com/2014/04/04/police-body-found-inside-of-car-trunk/

And another. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/aug/31/fbi-rules-montana-woman-found-shot-dead-in-trunk-i/

Jumping off an overpass. https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/driver-killed-after-12-year-old-attempting-suicide-jumps-on-her-car/

Inside stall in public bathroom. http://www.jamda.com/article/S0379-0738(04)00054-4/abstract

Car crash suicides. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-brutal-truth-about-car-crash-suicide

And there are a lot of people who jump off various buildings and bridges, kill themselves in anonymous hotel rooms, jump in front of trains, etc.

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Ann Brocklehurst Retweeted

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I have heard from a trusted source that an alleged law enforcement investigation was closing in on the Shermans, "and the noose was tightening." Might be a potential explanation for a possible murder-suicide. #Sherman

Hoping this tweet is allowed because Ann Brocklehurst retweeted....
 
Ann Brocklehurst Retweeted

Steve Paikin‏Verified account
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21h21 hours ago
More Steve Paikin Retweeted Lorrie Goldstein
I have heard from a trusted source that an alleged law enforcement investigation was closing in on the Shermans, "and the noose was tightening." Might be a potential explanation for a possible murder-suicide. #Sherman

Hoping this tweet is allowed because Ann Brocklehurst retweeted....

:thinking: I'm not sure this would be a reason to commit murder/suicide. After all, Mr Sherman was certainly no stranger to legal battles. JMO
 
This is just unbelievable. I cannot believe that two wealthy Philanthropists would believe that murder/suicide was an option!
It just does not mesh with their value system.
The cousins on the other hand....???
Having a brand new grandchild to boot !
Had they even had a chance
to see the baby?

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This is simply not true. People choose all kinds of places; they are not thinking rationally at that point.

In car in airport parking lot. http://www.ajc.com/news/national/ma...arking-lot-for-months/gchianplMZHzOq3QqffhrK/

Wal-Mart parking lot. http://www.whio.com/news/national/w...had-been-there-months/ILoM6srqn19HVNVLi6kPmL/

Some weird inner room in a downtown parking garage. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/2...t-found-inside-parking-garage-police-say.html

Boiler room of an abandoned building. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/540407

Basement of home, strangulation. http://www.insideedition.com/body-m...r-husband-confesses-murder-suicide-note-37548

An attic. https://nypost.com/2016/12/02/woman-finds-mummified-remains-of-grandson-in-attic/

Inside the trunk of his car. http://katu.com/news/local/missing-george-fox-students-body-found-suicide-suspected

Another trunk. http://fox4kc.com/2014/04/04/police-body-found-inside-of-car-trunk/

And another. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/aug/31/fbi-rules-montana-woman-found-shot-dead-in-trunk-i/

Jumping off an overpass. https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/driver-killed-after-12-year-old-attempting-suicide-jumps-on-her-car/

Inside stall in public bathroom. http://www.jamda.com/article/S0379-0738(04)00054-4/abstract

Car crash suicides. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-brutal-truth-about-car-crash-suicide

And there are a lot of people who jump off various buildings and bridges, kill themselves in anonymous hotel rooms, jump in front of trains, etc.

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None of these examples have a second individual who was murdered and then hanged next to the murderer. There is currently too much acceptance of the concept of murder-suicide in this case. The crime scene simply does not reflect a typical murder suicide. If this is a murder-suicide, then it is a 1 in a 100,000 kind of murder-suicide. If we are dealing with those kind of odds, then it also puts all kinds of other possibilities on the table. I would say that the odds of a very sophisticated assassin are far lower than 1 in 100,000. I did not say that ALL suicides happen in someone's comfort zone, but there is a tendency the vast majority of suicides would be done in a place you are comfortable. This basement lap pool is clearly not that kind of place. Many of your example show cars and people are very comfortable in their cars. You have a few in a basement, but obviously none of them are murder- suicides with BOTH victims hang in the basement. Face it, this would have to be the most bizarre and unlikely murder-suicide ever seen. The basement in this billionaires house was very unremarkable and not a place they would have been spending time. The basements in many of your suicide examples could have been recreational rooms where the suicide person was very comfortable. If he had killed her upstairs there would have been all kinds of railings door knobs and pipes that he would have chosen way before the basement lap pool railing.

If this incident was a murder-suicide, then it was a long shot statistically rare murder-suicide. Given this fact, when you start comparing to the COMBINED odds of ALL the weird possibilities involving double murder, then it becomes clear that double murder is more likely than murder-suicide.

Murder-suicide is definitely one of the possibilities, but it is a long shot among many long shots and the vast majority of the long shot explanations involve double murder and there is only a single long shot explanation that is explained by murder-suicide.
 
:thinking: I'm not sure this would be a reason to commit murder/suicide. After all, Mr Sherman was certainly no stranger to legal battles. JMO

Yes but civil battles can be solved with money but criminal battles is a whole different story IMO. I'm leaning toward murder/suicide. The pool in the basement may not be significant to us but it could've been significant to them. The stories I could tell about our lap pool :blushing:
 
Ann Brocklehurst Retweeted

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21h21 hours ago
More Steve Paikin Retweeted Lorrie Goldstein
I have heard from a trusted source that an alleged law enforcement investigation was closing in on the Shermans, "and the noose was tightening." Might be a potential explanation for a possible murder-suicide. #Sherman

Hoping this tweet is allowed because Ann Brocklehurst retweeted....

"The noose was tightening" seems like a very poor choice of words.
 
Yes but civil battles can be solved with money but criminal battles is a whole different story IMO. I'm leaning toward murder/suicide. The pool in the basement may not be significant to us but it could've been significant to them. The stories I could tell about our lap pool :blushing:

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I've been reading articles on the Web (Toronto Star, Toronto Sun, National Post, the list is endless) so you'll forgive me if I can't place the source or even recall factual info. But late last night (I was also about to nod off) I thought I read somewhere a local neighbourhood resident being interviewed (earlier this year) complaining that there had been an astronomical (my words) of Break and Enters. I could be wrong - But I thought I read the neighbor citing 160 B&E and "millions" of dollars of stolen valuables. That piece of information kinda took me

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Dear Kilr0y,

My working theory at the moment is along the same lines of what you have been saying.

They could have both been murdered by someone who hated them so much that they chose to "display" the bodies in a grotesque and humiliating way.

I keep thinking that if he killed his wife upstairs in another room, why not just take pills and lie down beside her?

Why work towards displaying their bodies in a dreadful and humilitating way? Especially when it could have been one of their children who found them?

I agree with Lilibet that we don't know enough yet. Hopefully the police statement after they receive the results of the post mortem examinations will divulge how they plan to treat their investigation.
 
No I am just fascinated. This has all the Hallmarks of a "crime of the century" type thing and this forum seems like the perfect place to throw out and think critically about the most likely explanation. Thanks for the welcome!
 
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