Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #1

[gdalton]

It's the house directly opposite the Sherman's.
You can see it on Google Street View.
The cops are standing between the protestors and the Sherman house which isn't pictured.

Edit: responding to the picture above.

 

[Kaley Smith]

Snipped for focus and BBM

http://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/search-warrants-detail-orono-murder-suicide/471988015

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bost...2015/02/brockton_woman_child_found_hanged?amp

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...urder-suicide-ruled-medical-examiner-s-office


Suicide rates highest among elderly males.
https://newsletter.samhsa.gov/2016/02/02/preventing-suicide-among-seniors/

At that level of wealth, there is very deliberate and extensive estate planning. Their assets would be held in a trust, and changes are not as simple as an addendum to a will.

I'm sorry, I would like to believe in ninja assassins but my money is on a simple murder suicide.


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Well, it looks like at least one of those 3 examples you gave was murder, not murder-suicide.

 

[TTF14]

I don't believe that the motive was robbery, if they were murdered. I still believe this was a well planned hit, the motive being any number of things to do with his business, inheritance, or revenge.

If anything is missing, I lean to this being staged as a robbery.....for now.

My money's on revenge.

 

[zencompass]

Barry Sherman did give the cousins houses and money.

However, after a lawsuit they filed, he sought to seize the houses he had once given them.

This article (archived) was dated November 24, 2007:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/incoming/the-real-barry-sherman/article698483/





From article (above): (dated 2007)

"Finally, after the feud had simmered for nearly a year, Mr. Sherman pushed back. According to court filings, he cut support payments to Dana's widow and called in loans to Kerry."

"But last January, some of cousins (Jeffrey opted out) filed yet another lawsuit - this time seeking more than $1-billion and alleging that Mr. Sherman violated the Empire purchase agreement, built Apotex from Empire and failed to pay out a mountain of royalties. The suit also names Apotex, Mr. Ulster and Michael Florence, Mr. Sherman's brother-in-law and right-hand man at Apotex."

"Mr. Sherman has called the allegations ridiculous. The purchase agreement died on the sale to ICN, he says, and there were no royalties because Empire did not have any unique technology that would have generated royalties."

"The whole thing is ludicrous," says Mr. Sherman. They thought "I'd settle and pay them money. Which I'm not going to do."

"Instead, Mr. Sherman has hired a receiver and moved to seize homes owned by Kerry, Dana's widow and others. He says he is just enforcing provisions on the loans. But Kerry is fighting back with a motion to block the seizures and the issue is under appeal."

 

[rosesfromangels]

I totally agree with Kilr0y : "This was a scene staged to make them look bad and staged to be shocking which is the signature of some kind of hit."

I look at cases from a psychological point of view. I see no evidence pointing to Mr. Sherman being someone with a mental illness or having the mindset or character to kill his wife and dishonour himself, his children and his legacy in this manner. Someone hated this man and was jealous of what he had, felt wronged by him, and wanted to see him suffer and be humiliated.

Bullseye. And whoever it is, seemingly has enough power to quickly have the media definitively declare it a murder-suicide...and smear their names.
There is a much deeper story here than what has initially been portrayed.

Amateur opinion and speculation.

 

[rosesfromangels]

My money's on revenge.

Count me in on that vote.
Revenge.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Well, it looks like at least one of those 3 examples you gave was murder, not murder-suicide.

What, the Brockton one? Nope, early on LE made statements about "investigating it as a murder" until they could determine what happened, which is normal LE talk. Every article I've found says murder-suicide, and it dropped out of the news pretty fast (news typically goes silent on suicides).

Here's an article with more info...

http://www.enterprisenews.com/article/20150206/NEWS/150207614

Mom had mental issues, had threatened suicide, and left a note. Her father had been concerned about the safety of the kids and reported her to CPS.

"Rosa-Soares’ father, Jose Rosa, was teaching a driving class at the time in Brockton. He got the same call and raced to his daughter’s house. He saw the police cars and immediately knew what happened.

“I’m gone. I lost my mind,” Rosa, 64, said Friday, waiting down the street from the home at 17 Morgan St., as State Police poured over the scene. “They didn’t need to tell me anything.”

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[zencompass]

The Winter cousins' suit was dismissed. Looks like a terrible feud.

From this article:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ionize-canadas-drug-industry/article37355332/

"The legal fight turned ugly, with allegations flying that Mr. Sherman had plotted to kill Mr. Winter and that he used handouts to control the cousins. Mr. Sherman hit back by calling in their loans and moving to seize their houses. The suit finally ended last September when Ontario Superior Court Justice Kenneth Hood threw out the case, ruling that "the claimed interest in Apotex was wishful thinking, and beyond fanciful."

 

[whitelilac]

Count me in on that vote.
Revenge.

Agreed...

 

[PaulR]

The Winter cousins' suit was dismissed. Looks like a terrible feud.

From this article:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ionize-canadas-drug-industry/article37355332/

"The legal fight turned ugly, with allegations flying that Mr. Sherman had plotted to kill Mr. Winter and that he used handouts to control the cousins. Mr. Sherman hit back by calling in their loans and moving to seize their houses. The suit finally ended last September when Ontario Superior Court Justice Kenneth Hood threw out the case, ruling that "the claimed interest in Apotex was wishful thinking, and beyond fanciful."

That sounds like a pretty strong motive.

 

[human]

I had a comment earlier that should have read it was NOT a dignified death. People who do suicide do not do it spur of the moment.Although it is possible they had vioent fights for all we know.

The cousins sound incredibly greedy. Never enough.

 

[TTF14]

I had a comment earlier that should have read it was NOT a dignified death. People who do suicide do not do it spur of the moment.Although it is possible they had vioent fights for all we know.

The cousins sound incredibly greedy. Never enough.

I believe this was supposed to just look like a double suicide and whoever ordered the hit, or did the murder is like "oooohhhhh *****.....this wasn't supposed to happen....."

 

[Elley Mae]

If the autopsies indicate that a homicide has occurred, the police's homicide squad will take over the investigation and detectives will talk to family members before they update the public, Hopkinson said Saturday.

If the autopsies indicate that the deaths were not criminal in nature, police will likely not provide an update to the public on the case, he added.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/...potex-founder-two-bodies-north-york-1.4452684

 

[Satchie]

I feel like there's sooooo much that could be Googled about this case, all the players, etc. It could keep us up for days.

It's interesting, but I don't think it's very complicated.

* Sometime around 2012 Barry Sherman (then age 70) stepped back from his demanding role as CEO of Apotex, took on the role of Executive Chairman. This role doesn't manage or make regular decisions, but has power to hire the CEO and recommend major new directions for the company..

* To take his place as CEO running Apotex, he hired Jeremy Desai. http://www.newswire.ca/news-release...desai-president-and-ceo-apotex-515371391.html

* Jeremy Desai and Apotex is now accused of accepting and using confidential information from the biggest rival company, that was given to Desai by his girlfriend who worked for the rival.

I'm not sure how much the corporate world worries about this kind of corporate espionage. The woman's lost her job, obviously. Is it considered a scandal that Apotex (small fry, as the article you linked noted) used the info to make some money? I'm not sure. We're not talking about state secrets here.

Maybe at worst Desai might resign and a different CEO be hired (very doubtful). But I can't see how it would implicate Barry Sherman: he hired Desai, but wasn't directly involved in anything shady himself.

 

[TTF14]

It's interesting, but I don't think it's very complicated.

* Sometime around 2012 Barry Sherman (then age 70) stepped back from his demanding role as CEO of Apotex, took on the role of Executive Chairman. This role doesn't manage or make regular decisions, but has power to hire the CEO and recommend major new directions for the company..

* To take his place as CEO running Apotex, he hired Jeremy Desai. http://www.newswire.ca/news-release...desai-president-and-ceo-apotex-515371391.html

* Jeremy Desai and Apotex is now accused of accepting and using confidential information from the biggest rival company, that was given to Desai by his girlfriend who worked for the rival.

I'm not sure how much the corporate world worries about this kind of corporate espionage. The woman's lost her job, obviously. Is it considered a scandal that Apotex (small fry, as the article you linked noted) used the info to make some money? I'm not sure. We're not talking about state secrets here.

Maybe at worst Desai might resign and a different CEO be hired (very doubtful). But I can't see how it would implicate Barry Sherman: he hired Desai, but wasn't directly involved in anything shady himself.

Actually, we have no idea if he was or not. How long were Desai and the girlfriend together? She's from Ontario. Did she move to Philly specifically to work for a pharmaceutical giant to get info. to give to her boyfriend?

Regardless of all of that, I doubt it has anything to do with this case.

 

[dotr]

VIDEO
https://www.cp24.com/#
Funeral preparations underway for Shermans

Funeral preparations are underway for Barry and Honey Sherman as police continue to investigate the sudden deaths of philanthropist couple.

 

[MizStery]

She was going on ahead of her husband to Florida. She was working out with personal trainer,new hair color and in the process of building a new house. That's a lot of changes for a workaholic like Barry.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...n-and-wife-as-murder-suicide/article37357096/

" A man who identified himself as a personal trainer arrived at the scene saying he had an appointment to train Ms. Sherman. He asked if he could duck under the police tape to get inside, and was told no. He spoke briefly with officers and left visibly shaken."

I wonder why he expected to be allowed inside.

I was also confused by the fact they bought a house last year. But did not put this home up for sale until 18 days ago.Perhaps he did not want to move?

By the time they put it on the market this month, it was listed for $6.9 million. ​

They’d purchased a home in Forest Hill last yea

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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/15/police-investigating-deaths-at-apotex-founder-barry-shermans-mansion

Friends say the couple was having a new home built closer to downtown Toronto.Very chaotic so they purchased a home last year in Forest Ridge,18 days ago they put their residence since 1985 for sale and in addition they are building a new home near downtown Toronto.WOW that would make a lot of people implode.

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:cow:

 

[TTF14]

She was going on ahead of her husband to Florida. She was working out with personal trainer,new hair color and in the process of building a new house. That's a lot of changes for a workaholic like Barry.


I was also confused by the fact they bought a house last year. But did not put this home up for sale until 18 days ago.Perhaps he did not want to move?


Friends say the couple was having a new home built closer to downtown Toronto.Very chaotic so they purchased a home last year in Forest Ridge,18 days ago they put their residence since 1985 for sale and in addition they are building a new home near downtown Toronto.WOW that would make a lot of people implode.


:cow:

Honestly, with that amount of money, it's not really that much going on. They probably have all sorts of people in their employ to handle the details of their lives. I don't find it odd that they hadn't put their home on the market yet even though they bought another. They were rich.

 

[PaulR]

She was going on ahead of her husband to Florida. She was working out with personal trainer,new hair color and in the process of building a new house. That's a lot of changes for a workaholic like Barry.

Where's anything about a new hair color?

I was also confused by the fact they bought a house last year. But did not put this home up for sale until 18 days ago.Perhaps he did not want to move?

Or didn't want to put the old home up for sale until they had settled on a move date and arranged for their stuff to be moved. If I was moving and was loaded like he was, I'd buy the new house outright and then take my time moving.

Friends say the couple was having a new home built closer to downtown Toronto.Very chaotic so they purchased a home last year in Forest Ridge,18 days ago they put their residence since 1985 for sale and in addition they are building a new home near downtown Toronto.WOW that would make a lot of people implode.

I can't think moving or building a house would rate as stressful for someone who built a billion-dollar company. MOO.

 

[Elley Mae]

Apotex seemingly does manufacture fentanyl patches, for sale to vets or pharmacies: http://www.apotex.com/ca/en/products/consumer/search.asp?qt=General&qs=Fentanyl

I think some people are being creative. But they don't understand the value of having those impossible to get, government certification/licenses to manufacture and sell drugs legally. Those are worth infinitely more than you could ever make selling the drugs illegally. Two billion in sales annually versus a few million selling fentanyl wholesale, and putting your whole operation at risk of being shut down, not a chance.

Just read this.

‘We feel like our system was hijacked’: DEA agents say a huge opioid case ended in a whimper

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...50ad0e-db5b-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html