"..-what is it about the crime scene that would lead police to believe that it was a murder suicide when it clearly appears to be a double homicide?.."
Because a murder/suicide is more plausible imo. They both died of ligature neck compression, so I'm assuming they died by hanging, not strangled before and then hanged.
Think about how difficult it would be for a number of assailants (there would have to be more then one) to hang both of them until they died.
As a Canadian in the winter I've never seen anyone with rolled up arms while wearing a coat. Just don't get the importance of saying this. I want more info! Moo
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Hmm. Who held a grudge against these people? The cousin(s).
These 2 were murdered.
I think it is terrible to suggest that this man was greedy or not a nice person because he was a self-made billionaire and didn't like benefit galas. He worked hard his whole life and parlayed a small company into a multi-billion dollar one by selling and re-inventing the business. The cousins got their inheritances, they were employed by him and he bought them houses, etc., but they weren't entitled to a share in his company under any scenario.
They were greedy. They wanted something that didn't belong to them and that they didn't work for.
As a Canadian in the winter I've never seen anyone with rolled up arms while wearing a coat. Just don't get the importance of saying this. I want more info! Moo
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Or they strangled them, then hung them to send a message.
I'll try to explain what I imagine they mean. Imagine wearing a jacket, zipped or snapped part way to the neck. Now imagine taking hold of the collar, hood or shoulders and pulling it back and downward. Now roll it down more and it slides/rolls down the arms. Rolling down from the shoulders, not rolling up from the wrists.
I'll try to explain what I imagine they mean. Imagine wearing a jacket, zipped or snapped part way to the neck. Now imagine taking hold of the collar, hood or shoulders and pulling it back and downward. Now roll it down more and it slides/rolls down the arms. Rolling down from the shoulders, not rolling up from the wrists.
That makes sense, kind of what I was thinking.
Would it be possible to hang yourself from that railing while sitting?
Barry didn't show up for work Thursday. Likely because he was dead. They were found Friday.Send a message to who? <modsnip> I don't see any message here. I assume that phone records are going to fill in some blanks. Barry didn't show up for work on Wednesday. If phone records show that he was out and about that day, it will be another piece of the puzzle. People contemplating suicide will often not show up for work, and as Barry was said to work 7 days a week it would be very odd for him not to show up IMO.
I don't know what happened in this case, but lifting isn't necessary for hanging because dropping or dangling isn't necessary for death. Partial hangings, where the person is in contact with the ground or some other surface, only require that the head be lower than what is securing the far end of the ligature, and that there's compression. If the person leans or falls toward the device around the neck, loss of consciousness occurs quickly and prevents the person from standing or other wise getting free, and hanging death occurs.
Absolutely
You just lean forward against the ligature around your neck
As a Detective, my first ever death I went to was a suicide by hanging- 88 year old man tied his necktie around the bannister of the stairs and sat forward against it thus hanging himself ...
I was surprised to read about the very high number of break-ins in the area. This is a very expensive neighbourhood - you'd think that every homeowner would have a state-of-the-art security system. Perhaps we're dealing with unusually sophisticated burglars?