Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #1

[Inthedetails]

The police in Winnipeg in the Thelma Krull case the first year also assured us in the neighbourhood that they were not looking for any suspects. Yet it was quite obvious it was a murder. Weird eh? To this day I can't figure that out.

In this case, I think the police realize there is no serial killer out there, that the Shermans were targeted, and so they're saying there is no need for people to be afraid or alarmed.

BBM

The first "eh?" we've had on the thread!

(No disrespect, just in need of a light moment.)

jmo

 

[Snoop Sister]

Is it odd that they took the bodies out the front door instead of the basement? Seems like it would be more difficult to roll the gurney up the spiral staircase than it would be to roll out of the garage directly to the coroners vehicle. Maybe it’s nothing, just got me thinking.

I thought that was odd as well. Through the garage door, where less onlookers and cameras and a closer exit. Must have been some reason for exiting through the front.

 

[Satchie]

Not too many Canadians are going to buy into the murder-suicide idea. These people were all about giving. The cousins, meanwhile, were all about what the judge called "wishful thinking" that part of that fortune belonged to them. It may turn out
to be the "perfect murder" though, so we may never know for sure. See how beloved the Shermans were:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-honey-sherman-funeral-1.4458576

So the evidence/lack of evidence the police (including all the forensic experts) find is of no consequence whatever? These things are now decided by public opinion polls?

 

[Tortoise]

IF it was a suicide/murder done by BS, once Honey was hung he could place the belt around his neck and railing, reach around and grab the centre back of his jacket and pull it down, then lean forward into the belt. His jacket may not come down as far as hers but it would come down.
IF that is what he had planned, his jacket could have been almost off the shoulder beforehand, to make it easier to pull down. The belt doesn't need to be tight around the neck beforehand, when one leans in, gravity takes over. JMO

Quite, but I am interested to know if they were identically staged. I don't suppose we will ever know, unless a/ they determine it was double murder b/ they find the perpetrator (unlikely unless it they left behind DNA) and c/ there is a trial.

 

[LadyL]

that's the one thing that makes me think murder JMO

dotr, just my opinion, but I think you are imagining (imaging) the sleeves in the wrong way.. not sleeves rolled 'up', but 'down'.. going back down the arms, from the back, which kind of ties you up, makes it difficult to use your arms, etc. jmo.

 

[Inthedetails]

So the evidence/lack of evidence the police (including all the forensic experts) find is of no consequence whatever? These things are now decided by public opinion polls?

I doubt that is what the OP meant.

jmo

 

[Satchie]

The police in Winnipeg in the Thelma Krull case the first year also assured us in the neighbourhood that they were not looking for any suspects. Yet it was quite obvious it was a murder. Weird eh? To this day I can't figure that out.

In this case, I think the police realize there is no serial killer out there, that the Shermans were targeted, and so they're saying there is no need for people to be afraid or alarmed.

They can't declare a homicide without a body.

 

[Kaley Smith]

BBM

The first "eh?" we've had on the thread!

(No disrespect, just in need of a light moment.)



jmo

LOL!! Actually, I read just recently that Canadians are using it less and less. This shows my age (I'm 62), and very possibly my rural roots. Rarely do I hear a young Canadian say "eh". Instead, they overuse, 'cool', 'sweet' and 'sick'.

 

[PaulR]

They can't declare a homicide without a body.

Are you sure? They've convicted without a body: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murder_convictions_without_a_body#Canada

 

[NaanOfYourBusiness]

Former FBI agent Brad Garrett discusses the mystery surrounding the death of billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman.
https://youtu.be/gy3jspjrWM8

Garrett is convince this was a double-murder and meant to 'make a statement'.

"This didn't happen just because somebody is upset. This happened fora reason. This is sort of a payback on something that occurred.
And that's what the police .. they have to get to whatever that is."

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Bigger family? Why would a bigger family need more than nine bathrooms? I imagine the kids all have nice homes of their own.

It's a rich thing... us riffraff can't possibly understand.

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[Jasper52]

Former FBI agent Brad Garrett discusses the mystery surrounding the death of billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman.
https://youtu.be/gy3jspjrWM8

Garrett is convince this was a double-murder and meant to 'make a statement'.

"This didn't happen just because somebody is upset. This happened fora reason. This is sort of a payback on something that occurred.
And that's what the police .. they have to get to whatever that is."

I agree with everything he says. I hope they catch who ever is responsible.

 

[Tortoise]

Identical seems like a big assumption. Similar seems more likely based on what has been made known.

Nit-picking.

 

[jillycat]

Nothing that we know, which is little, makes sense. I'm sure it made sense to the ME on Day 1.

So, I don't know what happened. But these are my thoughts.

If this was a double suicide (doubt it), I would think there would have been a gentler method chosen and perhaps notes. The absence of a note means little; only approximately one third of people dying by suicide leave notes. But I can't imagine if they decided to go together (not seeing what would lead to that), that they wouldn't give their family some sort of explanation. But, I honestly don't see them both deciding to end their lives.

If this was a murder suicide, I don't understand the violent and convoluted method, or why or how BS would move a body and go to all the effort to stage HS's hanging and then try to imitate that with his own hanging. Even if he staged this complicated scene, this was a smart man who surely knew the authorities would soon sort that out. I also think if he hoped to convince it was a double suicide through the staging, there surely would have been suicide notes to suggest this was a joint decision based on a reason he thought would be compelling to those who knew him.

If this was a double murder, again, this was a convoluted and time-intensive method. And I don't believe that message-sending or water symbolism, or whatever, were part of any murder scenario.

So, none of it makes much sense in the context of the little that we know. I don't get it. I guess we'll see. Or in the case of a murder-suicide, we won't...but will, through the deafening silence itself. There is just no way a double murder will not be made public, and loudly, with an obvious search for the killer(s).

 

[human]

Thinking of family gatherings, visitors ect.

Maybe the family gathering part. I imagine visitors they would kmow would stay in a hotel. Visitors amd fish get old after three days

 

[spanishshara]

"We're not looking for suspects" is sometimes used to give the perps a false sense of security and let their guard down?

The form of death makes me think this was personal.

Yeah I already addressed that in my comment, but even if it's personal I don't think phrasing it the way police did makes sense in that regard.

 

[andreww]

I always thought that the family 'left behind' in a suicide case, would be forever filled with different kinds of horrible feelings, than if their loved one had died accidentally, although both are horrible. I guess your way of looking at it is one way of looking at it.

Effects people differently. My parents were devastated and forever felt guilty as they believed the cause to be money related and they are very wealthy. I looked at it differently. Some people just get tired of life. Its becomes more work than fun. If you don't broaden your horizons and find new challenges in life, life becomes a burden.

 

[kiwi50]

Random thoughts.
When would it have been announced publicly the Barry had received The Order of Canada?
Surprised they would build. Bigger house at this stage of their life, even more so after the dramsas of their last build
Was a bit surprised sister’s husband didn’t speak at funeral.
If Barry did this, I’m sure it was planned to the nth degree, he doesn’t strike me as doing things spontaneously.
Honeys health may have been worse than people realised.
Jonathon and his partner going through surrogacy (unsure if partner male/female don’t think on stage)
Tasteful service, glad they were honoured for what they achieved and not defined by their deaths.
Still on fence here

 

[human]

Nothing that we know, which is little, makes sense. I'm sure it made sense to the ME on Day 1.

So, I don't know what happened. But these are my thoughts.

If this was a double suicide (doubt it), I would think there would have been a gentler method chosen and perhaps notes. The absence of a note means little; only approximately one third of people dying by suicide leave notes. But I can't imagine if they decided to go together (not seeing what would lead to that), that they wouldn't give their family some sort of explanation. But, I honestly don't see them both deciding to end their lives.

If this was a murder suicide, I don't understand the violent and convoluted method, or why or how BS would move a body and go to all the effort to stage HS's hanging and then try to imitate that with his own hanging. Even if he staged this complicated scene, this was a smart man who surely knew the authorities would soon sort that out. I also think if he hoped to convince it was a double suicide through the staging, there surely would have been suicide notes to suggest this was a joint decision based on a reason he thought would be compelling to those who knew him.

If this was a double murder, again, this was a convoluted and time-intensive method. And I don't believe that message-sending or water symbolism, or whatever, were part of any murder scenario.

So, none of it makes much sense in the context of the little that we know. I don't get it. I guess we'll see. Or in the case of a murder-suicide, we won't...but will, through the deafening silence itself. There is just no way a double murder will not be made public, and loudly, with an obvious search for the killer(s).

It would seem that leaving a note would be something that a person who runs a billion dollar business would know to do.

If it was health problems, then let the children know. Why leave them in this horror of not knowing.

He seemed an arrogant sort in his wiritngs of 1996 in Africa where he said people wojld be interested in hks philosophy and whatever else more than his family.

I can see from those writings, but they were 20years ago, that he thinks quite a ivt of himself and may have decided to end their lives.

I do not understand the no leaving of a letter sbout it

 

[Icanseeyou]

Originally Posted by Twinkle
I might be totally wrong but there has been reports(and her son mentioned it in the eulogy) that Honey had arthritis. Maybe those spiral staircases were getting to be to difficult for her, so they were looking to build home without stairs.

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Honey Sherman also had throat cancer, as mentioned in the service. However I think it was in remission, as the way the women was talking about it.