Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #13

[dotr]

i thought people got banned for this type of talk. i didn't agree with it........ \

the doctors suicide was very strange to me...... but to link this to haiti, the sherman's murder (looked like suicide and "you know who" (which worthington and this poster didn't do) seems to me to be way too much.

i do think the whole concept of where and who apotex sells drugs to is something that the police should have considered. like selling into foreign countries through strange intermediaries.. russia and eastern europe is so obvious (not that i know they sold there)

Not sure they were linking anything to anyone beyond saying these people tried to help others and by sad coincidence died under suspicious circumstances.
Not my kind of talk, noting because it was surprising that JW referenced it.

 

[MistyWaters]

Not sure they were linking anything to anyone beyond saying these people tried to help others and by sad coincidence died under suspicious circumstances.
Not my kind of talk, noting because it was surprising that JW referenced it.

Snopes denies the doctor’s death was suspicious and particularly the conspiracy theories that followed it.

FACT CHECK: Did a Surgeon Who Exposed 'Clinton Foundation Corruption' in Haiti Die a Suspicious Death?

On a related topic, I’m becoming somewhat sceptical of the quality of reporting by JW. He ran a breaking news story regarding the Nova Scotia spree killing that appears to be not true at all as the killer’s common law wife who lived with him came forward the following morning and was not killed. I can’t help but wonder, were his “police sources” one and the same as that of the murder/suicide Sherman leak?

BBM

“The first two dead are believed to be 51-year-old Wortman’s “ex (wife or girlfriend) and her new boyfriend,” say police sources.”
(I hope this source is okay to demonstrate my point because it appears the original Sun story has been edited.)
JOE WARMINGTON: Nova Scotia mass murder was evil and calculated | The Journal Pioneer

 

[al66pine]

Artists' Copyrights? Snow v Eaton Centre, Inc.

"No disrespect intended toward the original artist but once any art piece is privately sold, it becomes the owners right to do with it whatever they deem appropriate."
I don't think that statement is true. Artists hold the copyright on their artwork unless they specifically sign it over to the owner.
I remember an example of this situation many years ago in Toronto regarding the flock of Canada Geese artwork in the Eaton Centre. For the Christmas season the Centre wrapped red ribbons around each neck of the geese. The artist complained and even though the Eaton Centre bought the display they were not allowed to alter it's representation.

Snow v Eaton Centre Ltd - Wikipedia
So it's possible the artist could have stopped the Shermans from destroying the work. It's also possible the artist was not about to make a stink about it, considering the circumstances.

@branmuffin Thx for link to Snow. Briefly, I'm not sure art-owners are precluded from totally destroying/burying art works, as apparently happened here. Presumably after such a burial, nobody could perceive the modified works, so may not 'prejudice' the artist.

From same ^ link about aftermath of Canada case.
"Subsequent to this case, the standard for moral rights infringement has been raised by the requirement for more objective evidence of prejudice and harm. Evidence from other respected artists and people knowledgeable in the field is required to prove prejudice to honour or reputation.[2]
"The Copyright Act of Canada has also been amended since this case so that any modification to a painting, sculpture or engraving is deemed to prejudice the author.[3] For those types of works, no evidence of actual prejudice is required." bbm
Also from wiki:
"Moral rights are rights of creators of copyrighted works generally recognized in civil law jurisdictions and, to a lesser extent, in some common law jurisdictions." Moral rights - Wikipedia
A list of several countries, including USA & Canada, has summaries of 'moral rights' as applied there.

@branmuffin, Thx agn. I learn something new on W/S every day.
Andddddd back to the Sherman case itself.

 

[al66pine]

dbm, a duplicate.

 

[casesensitive]

Yes, back to the Sherman case. I think of Barry and Honey often, and try not to think of the horror they endured when they were murdered. This is a case I really want solved, and I hope that TPS are seriously dedicated in continuing the investigation. I wonder if the family's $10 million dollar award generated any viable suspects? If not, the languishing reward might be a clue of where to intensify the investigation. I'm sure the TPS is savvy and I hope they are narrowing in on a suspect. (fingers crossed).

 

[Tobiano8th]

i think snopes is generally right and a good source..... but some of their wording on whether things are true or not are a bit misleading, i find.

the only really strange thing i found about that NYC doctor suicide was that he stabbed himself.

the whole "clinton death squad" conspiracy stuff is so idiotic (and i dislike the clintons very much myself) and preposterous.

 

[ldlager]

Snopes denies the doctor’s death was suspicious and particularly the conspiracy theories that followed it.

FACT CHECK: Did a Surgeon Who Exposed 'Clinton Foundation Corruption' in Haiti Die a Suspicious Death?

On a related topic, I’m becoming somewhat sceptical of the quality of reporting by JW. He ran a breaking news story regarding the Nova Scotia spree killing that appears to be not true at all as the killer’s common law wife who lived with him came forward the following morning and was not killed. I can’t help but wonder, were his “police sources” one and the same as that of the murder/suicide Sherman leak?

BBM

“The first two dead are believed to be 51-year-old Wortman’s “ex (wife or girlfriend) and her new boyfriend,” say police sources.”
(I hope this source is okay to demonstrate my point because it appears the original Sun story has been edited.)
JOE WARMINGTON: Nova Scotia mass murder was evil and calculated | The Journal Pioneer

Hi sources were likely different....but just as unreliable it would seem......

 

[Satchie]

Artists' Copyrights? Snow v Eaton Centre, Inc.

@branmuffin Thx for link to Snow. Briefly, I'm not sure art-owners are precluded from totally destroying/burying art works, as apparently happened here. Presumably after such a burial, nobody could perceive the modified works, so may not 'prejudice' the artist.

From same ^ link about aftermath of Canada case.
"Subsequent to this case, the standard for moral rights infringement has been raised by the requirement for more objective evidence of prejudice and harm. Evidence from other respected artists and people knowledgeable in the field is required to prove prejudice to honour or reputation.[2]
"The Copyright Act of Canada has also been amended since this case so that any modification to a painting, sculpture or engraving is deemed to prejudice the author.[3] For those types of works, no evidence of actual prejudice is required." bbm
Also from wiki:
"Moral rights are rights of creators of copyrighted works generally recognized in civil law jurisdictions and, to a lesser extent, in some common law jurisdictions." Moral rights - Wikipedia
A list of several countries, including USA & Canada, has summaries of 'moral rights' as applied there.

@branmuffin, Thx agn. I learn something new on W/S every day.
Andddddd back to the Sherman case itself.

Just a small note on this murky area, this isn't criminal law, it's like contract law, the only remedy if you think your rights have been violated, is to sue and hope the judge agrees with you. And we know BS, at least, was never afraid of being sued.

 

[dotr]

Re post..
''What happened inside Barry and Honey Sherman's home the day the billionaires were killed? The Star's Kevin Donovan shares the most likely scenario.''
Dec 12, 2019

 

[JayFriend]

Just came across this on my Facebook.
Pharma Billionaire Barry Sherman Murdered DAYS AFTER Trudeau Fundraiser Investigation Launch

"Sherman and Apotex were looking at a possible five-year ban on lobbying the Liberal government if it could be proven that he ran afoul of rules that prohibit registered lobbyists– such as Sherman– vfrom lobbying office holders they helped get elected.
In other words, this could suggest there is a direct connection between the deaths of the Shermans, and and the ruling government of Canada. It is arguable that an association between Justin Trudeau and Barry Sherman would have a negative impact upon Trudeau’s reputation– and therefore his chances of re-election.
But what was odd was there was a second investigation into a November 2016 fundraiser co-organized by Sherman for Justin Trudeau, as well as Finance Minister Bill Morneau. Reportedly, this was dropped due to a lack of evidence."

Could be there's a lot more behind their deaths that may never be revealed, at least until there is a change in government.

 

[Tobiano8th]

a murder over barry sherman breaking some political lobbying rules? when he is apparently the most litigious person in canada?..... this is so minor

 

[Tobiano8th]

honestly, the best way to deal with a minor political scandal and make it go away is to "out of the blue" viciously murder one of the participants and his wife, thereby bringing the whole affair to the front pages of major canadian newspapers.

honestly, i dislike trudeau myself, but this is a bit much

 

[Satchie]

Just came across this on my Facebook.
Pharma Billionaire Barry Sherman Murdered DAYS AFTER Trudeau Fundraiser Investigation Launch

"Sherman and Apotex were looking at a possible five-year ban on lobbying the Liberal government if it could be proven that he ran afoul of rules that prohibit registered lobbyists– such as Sherman– vfrom lobbying office holders they helped get elected.
In other words, this could suggest there is a direct connection between the deaths of the Shermans, and and the ruling government of Canada. It is arguable that an association between Justin Trudeau and Barry Sherman would have a negative impact upon Trudeau’s reputation– and therefore his chances of re-election.
But what was odd was there was a second investigation into a November 2016 fundraiser co-organized by Sherman for Justin Trudeau, as well as Finance Minister Bill Morneau. Reportedly, this was dropped due to a lack of evidence."

Could be there's a lot more behind their deaths that may never be revealed, at least until there is a change in government.

Is this some of the Russian fb election meddling I've heard about? It sounds like a plot from a Soviet-era spy thriller.

 

[casesensitive]

Is this some of the Russian fb election meddling I've heard about? It sounds like a plot from a Soviet-era spy thriller.

The article was issued by CAP which is a home-grown Canadian racist and bigoted group whose members oppose immigration. They go after J. Trudeau due to his immigration policies.

CAP is self described as “Cultural Action Party represent Canadian citizens who value, and wish to retain, Canada’s traditional identity, heritage and official languages. We stand in direct opposition to globalist forces attempting to undermine and erode our nation’s unique cultural identity.”
Cultural Action Party – Violent Transnational Social Movement Research Project

 

[JDG]

I am quoted above but I don't think I've ever responded to this thread.

As a completely irrelevant aside; I have a cousin named Honey.

Hi Swirlz, Welcome. This thread has not had much activity lately but you're more than welcome to join in.

 

[MistyWaters]

Torstar to be sold, taken private in $52-million deal

Toronto Star to be sold... The deal would’ve been in the works for some time and perhaps is the reason why KD alone appealed the sealed Sherman Estate files to the SCC, without the support of his employer. JMO

 

[nuff]

Sorry for the paywall, but this just appeared:
An ‘urban explorer’ entered Barry and Honey Sherman’s home before demolition and saw papers that ‘looked like evidence’

It seems very odd that this is just coming to light now. I'd doubt the whole story, except there appears to be photographic proof this person actually did and saw what he claims.

 

[Sarahlou]

I can't believe this case is still unsolved! I hope there is an answer one day.

 

[dotr]

Just filling an otherwise deleted by me post..
Murder houses a tough sell, but a home's dark past can stay hidden - BNN Bloomberg
''TORONTO -- It was a "stunning" property in the heart of downtown Toronto, but for broker Caroline Baile it was a tough sell.

That's because the home had been the site of a recent murder, a domestic dispute turned fatal. Baile would tell potential buyers about the tragic death that took place, but the property's story was already well known thanks to intense media coverage of the crime.

"It was challenging to sell it," she said, not wanting to go into too much detail to protect client privacy. "So we ended up leasing it to cover carrying costs."

''Even in high-profile cases, there are some people who aren't deterred, said Barry Cohen, a Toronto-based luxury property realtor.

The unsolved murders of Apotex Inc. founder Barry Sherman and his wife Honey at their mansion in northern Toronto has not hurt the sale prospects for nearby homes that he is representing, as most see it as an isolated incident and not a reflection of the neighbourhood, Cohen said.

As well, while the Shermans' home is not currently on the market, Cohen said there is buyer interest.''

 

[WINDSOR]

Sorry for the paywall, but this just appeared:
An ‘urban explorer’ entered Barry and Honey Sherman’s home before demolition and saw papers that ‘looked like evidence’

It seems very odd that this is just coming to light now. I'd doubt the whole story, except there appears to be photographic proof this person actually did and saw what he claims.

This story would only come to light if and when the "urban explorer' told the media.
Regarding the photographs he took of 'evidence', no doubt the TPS took the similar photos themselves, at least I hope they did.