CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

[BaffleMe]

I’ve always found it interesting that JD left Apotex so soon after the murders.
Wonder what BS thought of JD’s affair, wish we knew if he encouraged it or was annoyed.

What affair?

 

[William_60]

In the case of the Shermans, I believe somebody had to make a decision to have them murdered. I will call this person the Perpetrator.

In solving murders, it is not necessary to know the motive for the killing, but it can be useful. In this case, I think what is more salient is when and why the decision was made to kill the Shermans. Because from that decision, follows, recruiting a hit team, a method of paying a hit team, the hit team doing surveillance and so on.

Was there a event, that caused the perp, to say, "Okay that is it, the Shermans have to go"? Can we ascertain some specific action on the Sherman's part either individually or together, that would trigger the murder plan. It might have been a slight at a social event, or the result of a lawsuit, or rejection of an investment proposal. It might have been be the cumulation of several previous perceived indignities or disrespects. Literally the straw that broke the camel's back.

It had to be significant to the Perpetrator though. Since murder is very often based on a personal emotion it might, to us, appear an illogical choice to have them killed, but at the time, to the Perp it appeared as the only possible action.

If we can find something that the Shermans did to somebody, that was so egregious that the Perp wanted them dead, we might have a path to a solution.

Whatever this event or action was, initiated by the Shermans, I believe it likely occurred, no earlier that the Spring of 2017. It could have occurred in the summer or fall, but likely no later.

Think, specifically what did the Sherman's do or not do in this time period that would result in initiating a murder plan?

Good post!

I WILL try to think of what that snap point might have been.

(now I have key dates to check!)

 

[dotr]

What affair?

2018
Accused of stealing Teva secrets, Apotex CEO exits abruptly even as founder's death ruled homicide

 

[FromGermany1]

I think it's very possible that someone was already in the house when HS arrived home through the front door. She probably didn't have time to take her coat off. She may have bolted to the powder room to call someone, maybe 911, but maybe just BM. She was thwarted and her phone left in the powder room to ensure she couldn't access it again.

If the unknown? assailant had no idea what time Barry would be home but knew he would arrive through the garage one floor below, he decided to escort Honey down there on the spiral staircase where her injuries may have occurred to lay in wait. When Barry entered he may have been verbally warned by Honey of an assailant and dropped his papers or because another person was there to subdue him, too.

We don't know how quickly things progressed from BM arriving home. They may have been kept in the basement unable to escape while the assailant(s) searched the home, whether for useful tools of murder or to search for legal documents. It would be ironic if the murder weapon, or at least the one meant to deceive, the cheap belt from Canadian Tire, was a hidden message. Kind of a modern day 'hoisted by his own petard' a nod to BM's 'penny wise but pound foolish' philosophy which may have angered someone.

I think, more of Honey's charity folders incl. documents were available in the basement "office" than Barry's folders/documents would have been. The desk was burdened with documents, I read somewhere long ago. (Maybe, it was within an interview at home, which started with Barry standing in the kitchen, drinking his morning coffee.) IMO, Barry's documents would have been stored at Apotex, especially since he spent more than half his life there. - Does it make sense to think, that rather Honey's documents were the reason to plan this evil event?

 

[BaffleMe]

2018
Accused of stealing Teva secrets, Apotex CEO exits abruptly even as founder's death ruled homicide

Wow

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

True, a lot was going on in the neighborhood and in their lives. For example:

On January 1, 2017, a nearby mansion under construction burned to the ground. It was nearing completion, but nobody got the chance to move in.

UPDATE: Video shows demolition of North York mansion ravaged by fire New Year's Day

The new property at 91 Old Forest Hill Road was purchased in November 2016, and knocked down, but I do not know when the demolition was completed. That property was in Honey's name only.

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hmmmmm question came to mind

If Honey was the sole owner of this property and she did not have a will what happened to that newly vacant land when she passed?

Maybe an answer: Most wealthy people do not use their own money to purchase, they use their money to make money, thus all of these "foundations and trusts" they create to generate more money, possibly she was the name on deed but it was technically "owned" by the "lender", was that the Sherfam or a Sherman managed lender?

On another note, it is interesting and does agree with friend statements that Barry was starting to give Honey money or monetary worth of her own that she could do what she wanted with, where was the multi-millions coming from to build the home? Was the new home to be mortgaged via Sherfam companies?

 

[branmuffin]

I think, more of Honey's charity folders incl. documents were available in the basement "office" than Barry's folders/documents would have been. The desk was burdened with documents, I read somewhere long ago. (Maybe, it was within an interview at home, which started with Barry standing in the kitchen, drinking his morning coffee.) IMO, Barry's documents would have been stored at Apotex, especially since he spent more than half his life there. - Does it make sense to think, that rather Honey's documents were the reason to plan this evil event?

I'm not really sure. It depends on the motive for murder. If it was business related, Apotex, then yes, I agree those files and documents would be at the offices. But if the motive had a more personal bent, like inheritance and wills, I could see those documents being kept at the home, at least copies. I also think any of BM's pet projects like the vanity projects he did with FDA would be kept at home. One of the reason I think the house was searched I remember the urban explorer stated holes were punched in the bedroom walls as if searching for a hidden safe. I can't see investigators doing that type of damage when searching for clues. They weren't aware at the time the kids were going to demolish the home. It's possible all that damage was done at a much later time.

ETA Honey rarely went down to the basement according to family members so I'm not sure how often she frequented that floor.

 

[WINDSOR]

Good post!

I WILL try to think of what that snap point might have been.

(now I have key dates to check!)

Thank you William_60. Knowing what the snap point might be will point towards the perpetrator.

 

[MistyWaters]

Good post!

I WILL try to think of what that snap point might have been.

(now I have key dates to check!)

A possible snap point -

The perpetrator wanted both of the Shermans dead. Honey was leaving for Florida the next Monday iirc and Barry was joining her Christmas Day. (he’d have been alone in the house for at least a week if he was the primary target).

It’s been reported they weren’t returning until the middle of January and by that time their house may’ve been sold and so they’d presumably move into their condo.

So IMO the clock was ticking, the killer was aware of their schedule. Saying that, even though these Toronto murders haven’t been solved, I admit I’ve wondered why the killings didn’t occur in Florida? Canadian snowbirds accidental drowning in a boat would hardly be a worthy headline on page 10. No, instead the killer intentionally wanted the scandal of a possible m/s in their family home to hit local front page news. If these homicides were well preplanned, nothing happened “just because”. JMO

 

[Window21]

The perpetrator wanted both of the Shermans dead. Honey was leaving for Florida the next Monday iirc and Barry was joining her Christmas Day. (he’d have been alone in the house for at least a week if he was the primary target).

Good point! The murderer could have easily waited for HS to leave and just kill BS. So there was obviously a need to make sure they were both dead.
I am have always thought business related BUT you have a good point and this does make me wonder about family and their will....

 

[dotr]

Extra security would not have helped the Shermans. imo, speculation.
Both very lengthy (And illuminating, imo) articles. rbbm.fwiw.....
The Break-In Artist: the hunt for the cat burglar who terrorized Toronto's wealthiest neighbourhoods
By Malcolm Johnston | March 25, 2015
''The Fort Knox of Thornhill is a stucco mansion with a mansard roof, front-yard fountain and U-shaped driveway on the area’s most coveted street. It’s owned by a middle-aged couple named Tony and Sherry, who asked that we not publish their last name, and is equipped with every security measure on the market: eight interior and exterior video cameras, reinforced locks, motion detectors in all rooms, a siren, contacts on every window hard-wired to a central response station, glass-break sensors, a 1.8-metre-high wrought iron fence with a buzzer system at the front and a brick retaining wall at the back. In home security–speak, the place is a “hard target,” meaning most thieves will take one look and move along.

So it came as a shock when, at 6:06 on the evening of Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Sherry received a call from her alarm company, Vigilarm, informing her that the second-storey master bedroom window had been opened.''

''The police boundary that encompasses parts of Lawrence Park, North York and the Bridle Path is Toronto’s most targeted. Since 2004, it has suffered a reported 9,374 break and enters, for an average of 852 per year or more than two per day. The next most targeted areas are the Annex, Little Italy, east Forest Hill, Mount Pleasant, Leaside, Rosedale and Trinity Bellwoods.''

''The figure was nearly always the same: a man in dark clothing, his face concealed, leaping from one house to the next, crawling up walls, ascending downspouts or hanging onto perilously steep roofs. Police developed a nickname for their daredevil mystery perp: Spiderman.''

''As a criminal, however, he was sophisticated and methodical. During B&Es, he wore a dark, heavy denim jacket and pants, comfortable yet resistant to tearing or cuts, crucial to avoid leaving behind blood or other DNA evidence. He wore Kevlar gloves for the same reason. He owned a variety of cheap running shoes and often used rental cars, paid for in cash and probably rented under a fake name so that police couldn’t trace his plates.''

''Gagnon studied Lash’s shop for six months to plot his break-in. In the mornings, often before 9 a.m., he’d park his Mercedes convertible across the street and often stay well past closing. Sometimes he’d use a rental car so as not to raise the suspicion of patrons and store owners. He recorded the licence plates of the cars that drove into the store’s parking lot and monitored the patterns of Lash and his security personnel and staff. Gagnon periodically climbed up to the rooftop of the building across the street and, using a high-powered night-vision telescope, peered inside the jewellery store. He searched for a weak spot in the security apparatus, which was formidable: the front and back entrances had twin key code activated doors, which Gagnon knew weren’t worth the effort''

''The year before, a client in the Yonge and York Mills area came home to find the skylight forced open—the thief had descended via a rope to the second storey—and a small collection of jewellery missing. D’Agosto arrived on the scene minutes after an alarm sounded, but the perp had vanished, the getaway rope still swinging.''

''At his farmhouse outside Bradford, they found what looked like a scene out of Ocean’s Eleven: articulating cameras, a climbing rope, a parabolic listening device, lock-picking manuals, an assortment of bump keys and lock-picking equipment, balaclavas, grinders, hatchets and crowbars, much of it stuffed into backpacks as ready-to-go B&E kits''

''Under the conditions of his $400,000 bail, covered in equal parts by Gagnon, his wife and two friends, Gagnon now stays with sureties near highways 401 and 400, or with his wife in Bradford (he completed the renovations to his property near Forest Hill and sold it for $872,500 last October).''

New Rogers "channel" is all chicken, all day
''A reformed ex-con reveals the tricks of his trade and teaches us to match wits with robbers before they strike
by Malcolm Johnston for Streets Of Toronto Posted: February 24, 2011

''Reading a home is something of an art form. Keith Matthews (not his real name) gestures at a large brick home on a snowy neighbourhood street with the blinds pulled partially back. “You can tell no one’s in there,” he says. “You see the living room on the right-hand side, the kitchen area on this side. They do have the laundry going, so they’re going to be back soon. You can see the exhaust on the side. That’s their laundry.” He points to the side door, which is obscured from view by a row of cedar trees, as his likely point of entry.''

''Some burglars will stake out a house for days, studying the owner’s patterns. Matthews preferred to find out quickly and definitively whether someone was home. “What you do is knock on the door and ask for ‘Fred.’ Make up any name. Bang, bang, bang. Make sure. If someone comes to the door, say, ‘Oh, I was looking for Fred.’ You give them some story. That way you find out if they’re home or not. Then go around to the side,” he says.

Matthews is walking south along Banbury Road in Bayview. He stands about five feet eight inches and is wearing dark wraparound sunglasses and a toque that covers his ears, so only his mouth and nose are exposed. He gets a long look from a resident walking her dog. “See, you’ve got people watching you — ‘What the hell are they doing?’ — right?” he says.''

''Matthews says he could break into nearly any home in a matter of minutes. Once inside, the first order of business was to find an exit and make sure it was unlocked. Then he would go to the master bedroom and look under the mattress and for good reason: he once found $17,000 in luggage under the bed.''

''A lot of the time, you come in contact with the person who robbed you, or they’ve been watching your place. Sometimes what people do is they go to those art galleries, and they will watch people, and they will see people buy [something] and then tail them home and stake them out,” he says. Sometimes Matthews would wear a hard hat and pretend he was in the neighbourhood reading meters. Meanwhile, he’d be surveying the street, looking for the perfect target. Other times, the disguise was legitimate. He used to run a construction company that did a slew of jobs in Forest Hill and Rosedale.''

''To get into that basement, Matthews simply removed the windowpane, which is how he would usually get around most windows rigged with alarm contacts. “Make sure the window is inside the frame itself and that it’s not one of those ones where you just put a [windowpane] in and a piece of trim on the outside,” he says. “It’s four finishing nails. Take that off and the whole window pops out.”

''Motion detectors need to be carefully positioned to be effective, and most aren’t. “I can tell you about motion detectors. They are garbage, absolute garbage. I can beat every one that’s out there,” Matthews says. Most of them don’t scan the foot and a half closest to the floor, so he would crawl on his stomach and pass by undetected. If he saw the monitor go red, he would lie still until it turned back to green. So make sure your detectors are aimed at the floor and position one at the foot of the stairs, which will keep the burglar to just one floor, he says.''

Shane Zwezdaryk AKA ''Gagnon/Matthews''
'Spiderman' convicted in previous deadly heist | Toronto Sun
''Shane Gagnon is accused of being one of the most prolific burglars the GTA has ever known.''
Gagnon also has had some success as an inventor.
His profile on quirky.com boasts of over 400 inventions and 14 patents, including one for a “sex chair.”

Toronto Life

 

[MistyWaters]

Good point! The murderer could have easily waited for HS to leave and just kill BS. So there was obviously a need to make sure they were both dead.
I am have always thought business related BUT you have a good point and this does make me wonder about family and their will....

Nothing to indicate Barry was not generous when it came to his children. It’d be highly unusual for children to stage such a disturbing macabre death scene…a gruesome farewell to their parents? I’d think anyone would be easily clinically diagnosed with severe mental illness to orchestrate something like that. But we know really little or nothing about the dynamics of any personal enemies…. I’d imagine that’s the focus of the investigation. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Extra security would not have helped the Shermans. imo, speculation.
Both very lengthy (And illuminating, imo) articles. rbbm.fwiw.....
The Break-In Artist: the hunt for the cat burglar who terrorized Toronto's wealthiest neighbourhoods
By Malcolm Johnston | March 25, 2015
''The Fort Knox of Thornhill is a stucco mansion with a mansard roof, front-yard fountain and U-shaped driveway on the area’s most coveted street. It’s owned by a middle-aged couple named Tony and Sherry, who asked that we not publish their last name, and is equipped with every security measure on the market: eight interior and exterior video cameras, reinforced locks, motion detectors in all rooms, a siren, contacts on every window hard-wired to a central response station, glass-break sensors, a 1.8-metre-high wrought iron fence with a buzzer system at the front and a brick retaining wall at the back. In home security–speak, the place is a “hard target,” meaning most thieves will take one look and move along.

So it came as a shock when, at 6:06 on the evening of Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Sherry received a call from her alarm company, Vigilarm, informing her that the second-storey master bedroom window had been opened.''

''The police boundary that encompasses parts of Lawrence Park, North York and the Bridle Path is Toronto’s most targeted. Since 2004, it has suffered a reported 9,374 break and enters, for an average of 852 per year or more than two per day. The next most targeted areas are the Annex, Little Italy, east Forest Hill, Mount Pleasant, Leaside, Rosedale and Trinity Bellwoods.''

''The figure was nearly always the same: a man in dark clothing, his face concealed, leaping from one house to the next, crawling up walls, ascending downspouts or hanging onto perilously steep roofs. Police developed a nickname for their daredevil mystery perp: Spiderman.''

''As a criminal, however, he was sophisticated and methodical. During B&Es, he wore a dark, heavy denim jacket and pants, comfortable yet resistant to tearing or cuts, crucial to avoid leaving behind blood or other DNA evidence. He wore Kevlar gloves for the same reason. He owned a variety of cheap running shoes and often used rental cars, paid for in cash and probably rented under a fake name so that police couldn’t trace his plates.''

''Gagnon studied Lash’s shop for six months to plot his break-in. In the mornings, often before 9 a.m., he’d park his Mercedes convertible across the street and often stay well past closing. Sometimes he’d use a rental car so as not to raise the suspicion of patrons and store owners. He recorded the licence plates of the cars that drove into the store’s parking lot and monitored the patterns of Lash and his security personnel and staff. Gagnon periodically climbed up to the rooftop of the building across the street and, using a high-powered night-vision telescope, peered inside the jewellery store. He searched for a weak spot in the security apparatus, which was formidable: the front and back entrances had twin key code activated doors, which Gagnon knew weren’t worth the effort''

''The year before, a client in the Yonge and York Mills area came home to find the skylight forced open—the thief had descended via a rope to the second storey—and a small collection of jewellery missing. D’Agosto arrived on the scene minutes after an alarm sounded, but the perp had vanished, the getaway rope still swinging.''

''At his farmhouse outside Bradford, they found what looked like a scene out of Ocean’s Eleven: articulating cameras, a climbing rope, a parabolic listening device, lock-picking manuals, an assortment of bump keys and lock-picking equipment, balaclavas, grinders, hatchets and crowbars, much of it stuffed into backpacks as ready-to-go B&E kits''

''Under the conditions of his $400,000 bail, covered in equal parts by Gagnon, his wife and two friends, Gagnon now stays with sureties near highways 401 and 400, or with his wife in Bradford (he completed the renovations to his property near Forest Hill and sold it for $872,500 last October).''

New Rogers "channel" is all chicken, all day
''A reformed ex-con reveals the tricks of his trade and teaches us to match wits with robbers before they strike
by Malcolm Johnston for Streets Of Toronto Posted: February 24, 2011

''Reading a home is something of an art form. Keith Matthews (not his real name) gestures at a large brick home on a snowy neighbourhood street with the blinds pulled partially back. “You can tell no one’s in there,” he says. “You see the living room on the right-hand side, the kitchen area on this side. They do have the laundry going, so they’re going to be back soon. You can see the exhaust on the side. That’s their laundry.” He points to the side door, which is obscured from view by a row of cedar trees, as his likely point of entry.''

''Some burglars will stake out a house for days, studying the owner’s patterns. Matthews preferred to find out quickly and definitively whether someone was home. “What you do is knock on the door and ask for ‘Fred.’ Make up any name. Bang, bang, bang. Make sure. If someone comes to the door, say, ‘Oh, I was looking for Fred.’ You give them some story. That way you find out if they’re home or not. Then go around to the side,” he says.

Matthews is walking south along Banbury Road in Bayview. He stands about five feet eight inches and is wearing dark wraparound sunglasses and a toque that covers his ears, so only his mouth and nose are exposed. He gets a long look from a resident walking her dog. “See, you’ve got people watching you — ‘What the hell are they doing?’ — right?” he says.''

''Matthews says he could break into nearly any home in a matter of minutes. Once inside, the first order of business was to find an exit and make sure it was unlocked. Then he would go to the master bedroom and look under the mattress and for good reason: he once found $17,000 in luggage under the bed.''

''A lot of the time, you come in contact with the person who robbed you, or they’ve been watching your place. Sometimes what people do is they go to those art galleries, and they will watch people, and they will see people buy [something] and then tail them home and stake them out,” he says. Sometimes Matthews would wear a hard hat and pretend he was in the neighbourhood reading meters. Meanwhile, he’d be surveying the street, looking for the perfect target. Other times, the disguise was legitimate. He used to run a construction company that did a slew of jobs in Forest Hill and Rosedale.''

''To get into that basement, Matthews simply removed the windowpane, which is how he would usually get around most windows rigged with alarm contacts. “Make sure the window is inside the frame itself and that it’s not one of those ones where you just put a [windowpane] in and a piece of trim on the outside,” he says. “It’s four finishing nails. Take that off and the whole window pops out.”

''Motion detectors need to be carefully positioned to be effective, and most aren’t. “I can tell you about motion detectors. They are garbage, absolute garbage. I can beat every one that’s out there,” Matthews says. Most of them don’t scan the foot and a half closest to the floor, so he would crawl on his stomach and pass by undetected. If he saw the monitor go red, he would lie still until it turned back to green. So make sure your detectors are aimed at the floor and position one at the foot of the stairs, which will keep the burglar to just one floor, he says.''

Exactly. There’s been other cases where greedy family members have staged a robbery scene. So it goes - the couple attempt to confront the robbers and violence occurs, they’re tragically murdered. Everyone feels sympathy toward them and the family members, the intrusion of cold-hearted criminals is something everyone can relate to.

No, not here, instead the bodies of the couple are deliberately staged so it appears at first glance that Barry has murdered his beloved and attempted to cover up his evilness by positioning his body and taking his life in the same way.

How the bodies were found cannot be merely overlooked. IMO

 

[Window21]

Nothing to indicate Barry was not generous when it came to his children. It’d be highly unusual for children to stage such a disturbing macabre death scene

I wasn't necessarily referring to his children. I was thinking more along the lines of cousins, siblings etc....personal enemies could be family or business acquaintances, we all know he liked to sue people and pissed off a lot of people. That's very publicly known.

 

[MistyWaters]

I wasn't necessarily referring to his children. I was thinking more along the lines of cousins, siblings etc....personal enemies could be family or business acquaintances, we all know he liked to sue people and pissed off a lot of people. That's very publicly known.

I agree with that. The answer may be debts/collections within their personal finances, which would still be included in their estate business. The entire estate file was not released, only who the beneficiaries were.

I think it’s interesting that the estate has not proceeded with any lawsuits at all. For example Barry had threatened to recommence the $7 million lawsuit against KW for the promissory note he signed, which could’ve only occurred after the cousins lawsuit was over according to a Judge’s ruling (the link for that is buried here somewhere).

ETA - or $8 million
“As part of the court's decision, Winter not only lost his claim on his cousin's fortune, but he was also ordered to pay Sherman back $8 million. Just a week before the Shermans were found dead, a court ordered Winter and his siblings to pay Sherman $300,000 in legal costs…”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-sherman-cousin-1.4514176

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

It is my understanding based on experience, Canada Customs has greater leeway in investigations, gathering and collecting information. If you have crossed the international borders you will know, that under the Customs Act, the right to search and seizure is quite different and more encompassing than regular law enforcement has
For example, TPS will not usually seize your car if they find drug paraphernalia in it. Customs can and does.
Most non-Canadian Passports are scanned on entry and many on departure from Canada, the data bases are up to date and accurate.
How do you think they keep track of no-fly lists, terrorists, and sanctioned individuals?

Yes I agree, airport customs scan all passports and no-fly lists go by names, we have heard of infants on the list too many times. Land crossings, are even tougher to get through, I would think the perp if leaving the country did not have any evidence with him to create any attention.

If traveling to the US from Canada you receive a review by US Customs on Canadian soil before you leave our Country and enter theirs. Most other destinations you are reviewed on the other end once you arrive on their soil. For those passengers, what are Canadian laws that apply? most likely if a passport is required to enter that country the gate agent or check-in agent will ask for a passport, but whose database does that go to, we have very strict privacy laws about who can store what data and you still go through customs on the other end where you again show your passport - if it is a legit passport anyway, to begin with.

 

[Gina20]

The odd thing about this unknown (to us) person who entered the home several times on Thursday, December 14 is that he was in no hurry to leave. He stuck around for far too long if he had anything to do with the murders.

My theory is that he may have been another realtor who had an appointment to show the home. He probably knew in advance that he could have entered the home at a specific time. Maybe after the Sherman's had left for the day (which may have been their usual routine if still alive). He may have gone into the home to see if his clients had already arrived and did a cursory check to see if they were there. It doesn't explain the other times he went into the home, though.

However, if he was a realtor where were his clients? Would they have shown up separately? Some realtors drive their clients to the house being shown. The realtor who discovered the Sherman's had clients from out of the country so it made sense to drive them to the house.

The other theory I have is that he was somehow connected to the murders. That his initial entrance to the home was to verify the murders. He went back to his vehicle to relay that information to some unknown individuals. And that posed a quandary for the unknown individuals. The Shermans were dead, but why hadn't the alarm been rung? Where were the family, the cops, the concerned people who wondered why appointments had been missed, etc? Why wasn't Old Colony Road crawling with LE?

But why did he return to the house? Was he looking for something else?

I understand why LE didn't release the name of the individual, if they eliminated him as a suspect. However, the current situation of four years without any relevant progress suggests to me LE should be starting from square one again.

I usually support LE but when reviewing the evidence or lack thereof, the slow walk investigation, the follow-ups, the lackadaisical manner in which this murder investigation moved forward I get the impression LE were always a day late and a dollar short. They were reactive instead of proactive.

It is egregious to me that neighbours almost hassled the police to review their security tapes and were met with complete indifference or woeful lack of information from the investigating officers.

A recap from 2018 still baffles me.
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Or is this something more along the lines of the Buziak murder?

CANADA - Canada - Lindsay Buziak, 24, Victoria, BC, 2 Feb 2008

 

[William_60]

The Will.

I haven’t wanted to ‘go there,’ but the arrows are pointing in that direction for me, so I’m parked at that line of thinking I guess until new information suggests I move.

Question for everyone. What are your thoughts today on the number of perps “on site” or close to it, Dec. 13?

The other day I was thinking three, including a spotter. Now, I’m thinking just one in the house and a spotter, or two.

Possible The Night Walker ‘flew solo’ - and if so, then I’d think he definitely had inside information about the Shermans’ schedules.

In sum, I am at three, still, but the thought of NW acting alone is nagging me.

Thoughts?

 

[Gina20]

I went back to see what one of Honey Sherman's charities was up to in 2017, if that interests anyone.

FSWC - Past Events

 

[ldlager]

Would those other "perps" be on the same camera or neighborhood cameras that caught this suspect entering and leaving the area of the Sherman property?

Did LE collect more video evidence from the neighborhood for Thursday? I think about the Thursday visitor who may have entered & exited the residence a few times in a 45 min timeframe (one report stated they went to door and did not enter, another state they entered the home and were inside for up to 15 mins straight, then came out to car, then went back in for a total of 3 visits)

If Shermans had no appointments scheduled for this Thursday how often do strangers come to your door, knock, and if no answer try the door and enter, especially with cars out front? I thought a contractor but reports are they had no plans on this Thurs and no one missed them.

Reports are out that LE knew of this individual and had spoken with them. But they never revealed the purpose of the visit and share why you would go to the entry area and return to your car that was on the road not the driveway multiple times over 45 minutes. (why you would not use driveway - contractor it is against some company rules, your car leaks oil or fluids, what other reasons?)

Did LE check cell tower communications for the time the car was in the area? Were they calling HS cell that was on the floor in the general area of the front door.

Again no alarm bells were raised by this person, if they did go in, would they have seen a cell phone on floor?

A staff member stated on Friday the alarm was not on, it was off, I think she meant that the doors did not chime when they entered the home. You need a code to "disarm" the alarm system, do you need that for the window and door chimes? Or is it just a switch on the keypad you use for that? I assume this was an older system.

This and the 911 call, will we ever know if it was HS that dialed 911 from her phone? Thoughts that it was LE knocking on the door checking up on a 911 call on that Thursday have crossed my mind.

i believe the thurs visitor was an unmarked police car with an officer investigating the rumoured 911 call. I believe LE cannot bring themselves to admit publicly that they went to the house while the bodies were inside. I have not heard that the visitor actually went into the house- if so would LE have any legal basis to do so, other than having received a potential 911 call?