CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

[Gina20]

Double post.

 

[Window21]

If someone murdered my parents and they were worth a billion dollars I would immediately hire security. I think that is a natural response to a situation like this.

What surprises me is who they hired. A little extreme I think...as well, the bank in Israel recommended them so does that mean this security team flew from Israel immediately or were they all ready here in Ontario?
Why would a foreign bank recommend they hire this security team? Maybe that's how the billionaires of the world do things? IDK....strange

 

[Window21]

Also, bank Hapoalim was involved and I think found guilty of tax evasion IDK if the Shermans were involved in this mess as the articles don't say who the wealthy Canadians are. This also involved the USA.

Here are just a few articles. A simple google search...

CRA zeros in on customer transactions linked to Israeli bank in tax evasion crackdown

Canadian tax evasion fight zeros in on transactions involving Israeli bank | Ottawa Business Journal

USA article:
Israel’s Largest Bank, Bank Hapoalim, Admits to Conspiring with U.S. Taxpayers to Hide Assets and Income in Offshore Accounts

 

[Gina20]

Also, bank Hapoalim was involved and I think found guilty of tax evasion IDK if the Shermans were involved in this mess as the articles don't say who the wealthy Canadians are. This also involved the USA.

Here are just a few articles. A simple google search...

CRA zeros in on customer transactions linked to Israeli bank in tax evasion crackdown

Canadian tax evasion fight zeros in on transactions involving Israeli bank | Ottawa Business Journal

USA article:
Israel’s Largest Bank, Bank Hapoalim, Admits to Conspiring with U.S. Taxpayers to Hide Assets and Income in Offshore Accounts

From the second article:

The agency is asking the Bank of Montreal, Royal Bank and Toronto-Dominion Bank for records of deposits, cheques and electronic funds transfers associated with Bank Hapoalim's correspondent accounts from April 1, 2011, to Sept. 30, 2017.

This bank also has offices in Miami.

 

[deugirtni]

I should have stated that I have a problem with 'experts' who make blanket statements to the media that can be misleading and/or confusing to the audience.

Of course it is impossible for anybody who has never previously seen or had knowledge of the night walker, to identify him

What I meant was.. in this retired detective's previous job capacity, even if he'd had a suspect in mind *and* could see his gait, *and* could also see a video of the actual perp walking, it would still be difficult, imho, to definitively ID the perp based on that... however if someone is familiar with someone, sometimes all they need is TO see the gait, in order to identify the person they're familiar with when seen in a video. Kind of like I think some people can right away identify the voice of someone they know if they hear it on a recording, while for others, even if they hear both the actual person and the recording, they might not be able to be sure it's the same voice.

My question is.. can and will LE be providing this video to the country where their investigation is leading them, to see if the person can be identified over there. How would they do that?

And yes, I agree, I think it's just wrong for someone to be interviewed and state they think it's 'almost impossible' to ID someone from the footage. What a downer. I guess so many humans love their 2 minutes of 'fame'?

 

[juli99]

Agreed. Unless of course it broke when he was doing whatever he did with it.......

The Broken Bootlace Killer. BBK

There's definitely something flopping when he walks, but I think it's just the way his right foot goes up then down?

 

[JayFriend]

If someone murdered my parents and they were worth a billion dollars I would immediately hire security. I think that is a natural response to a situation like this.

Even the police thought it was m/s in the beginning.

 

[Window21]

Even the police thought it was m/s in the beginning.

The police were the only ones that thought it was m/s. Their children, house staff and friends all thought murder.
By Dec 20th the second autopsy was done and that proved it was double murder.

 

[casesensitive]

A new thought.
I watched the NW video again closely, on full screen mode. It appears to me that starting about 1/3 of the way through the video, before he gets to the fire hydrant, you can see what appears to be the tongue of his right boot flap upwards every time he takes a step with his right foot. I can't see the same thing happening with his left foot/boot. I am wondering if he has no lace in his right boot, and it is therefore loose, and his walking gait may be caused by an action that best keeps his right boot on his foot as he walks. And so I also wonder if its possible he used his boot lace as a ligature or as a restraint on the Shermans.
What do others think about this- do you see the "flappy tongue" in the video?

I don't see the flappy tongue, but my earlier comment on his gait referred to what I thought was possibly boots that were too large for him. (an intentional substitute to disguise his foot size). Your idea that he might not have laces on his right boot would also explain his right foot action, and makes more sense. Excellent observation and why he might be missing a boot lace. Also, he would want to get rid of the lace instead of putting it back on his boot--it would have DNA evidence on it.

 

[Tobiano8th]

The police were the only ones that thought it was m/s. Their children, house staff and friends all thought murder.
By Dec 20th the second autopsy was done and that proved it was double murder.

with all due respect, none of those people had seen any of the ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

to me, the second autopsy made a determination it was double murder.. not sure it "proved" anything.

 

[Gina20]

with all due respect, none of those people had seen any of the ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

to me, the second autopsy made a determination it was double murder.. not sure it "proved" anything.

Perhaps these people, the family and personal staff of the Shermans, had been made aware of a need for heightened security prior to the murders. Barry being Barry likely would have eschewed that and carried on as usual, IMO.

 

[Sphinx]

I don't see the flappy tongue, but my earlier comment on his gait referred to what I thought was possibly boots that were too large for him. (an intentional substitute to disguise his foot size). Your idea that he might not have laces on his right boot would also explain his right foot action, and makes more sense. Excellent observation and why he might be missing a boot lace. Also, he would want to get rid of the lace instead of putting it back on his boot--it would have DNA evidence on it.

I am just speculating, but maybe israeli soldiers, or other professional assassins, usually wear shoe/boot laces that are suitable to use for strangling, and other uses. I agree that he would want to get rid of it because of dna evidence. It would be easy to burn, perhaps with a lighter. I have also thought he might be wearing boots that are slightly large, maybe with an insole to disguise foot size, and maybe even height to a small extent. The other thing that occurs to me is that the NW may be wearing some kind of fat suit under that bulky coat. It could be built right into the coat. I think he knew very well that he would be captured by video cameras in the neighbourhood. It would be really interesting to know how he walked on the way to the Sherman's house, and compare that with the way he walked when leaving. We have only been shown him walking away, after possibly murdering the Shermans, but walking the same route by which he came. IMO

 

[Gina20]

I am just speculating, but maybe israeli soldiers, or other professional assassins, usually wear shoe/boot laces that are suitable to use for strangling, and other uses. I agree that he would want to get rid of it because of dna evidence. It would be easy to burn, perhaps with a lighter. I have also thought he might be wearing boots that are slightly large, maybe with an insole to disguise foot size, and maybe even height to a small extent. The other thing that occurs to me is that the NW may be wearing some kind of fat suit under that bulky coat. It could be built right into the coat. I think he knew very well that he would be captured by video cameras in the neighbourhood. It would be really interesting to know how he walked on the way to the Sherman's house, and compare that with the way he walked when leaving. We have only been shown him walking away, after possibly murdering the Shermans, but walking the same route by which he came. IMO

Or body armour?

 

[ldlager]

I am just speculating, but maybe israeli soldiers, or other professional assassins, usually wear shoe/boot laces that are suitable to use for strangling, and other uses. I agree that he would want to get rid of it because of dna evidence. It would be easy to burn, perhaps with a lighter. I have also thought he might be wearing boots that are slightly large, maybe with an insole to disguise foot size, and maybe even height to a small extent. The other thing that occurs to me is that the NW may be wearing some kind of fat suit under that bulky coat. It could be built right into the coat. I think he knew very well that he would be captured by video cameras in the neighbourhood. It would be really interesting to know how he walked on the way to the Sherman's house, and compare that with the way he walked when leaving. We have only been shown him walking away, after possibly murdering the Shermans, but walking the same route by which he came. IMO

Good points. It occurs to me that with the snow on the ground that night that there may be bootprints inside the home from the suspect. Unless the killer or the cleaner cleaned them up, or LE or the people in the house walked over them..

 

[newclues]

If the suspect(s) arrived or left through the backyard, then there should have been bootprints all over there. It was pointed out by KD that the suspect(s) may have entered and left the house through the back stairs that went up and outside from the back basement door which was found unlocked by LE.

 

[deugirtni]

If the suspect(s) arrived or left through the backyard, then there should have been bootprints all over there. It was pointed out by KD that the suspect(s) may have entered and left the house through the back stairs that went up and outside from the back basement door which was found unlocked by LE.

I was wondering same. Does anyone have or can anyone get the weather data from the Wed night through to Friday at noon? Was there a mild point where the snow would've all melted? I remember them saying that the heated driveway would've melted any shoeprints on the driveway.. but what of all the rest, and when did the snow start and end, etc? If prints are in the rear yard.. would they even necessarily be meaningful? Did that furnace repairman who was also present on the Friday morning, enter or leave the house through that back basement door as well? (Is that why that back door may have been left unlocked as noticed after the bodies were found, because he didn't lock it after himself, and nobody else thought to lock it after he left? Who knows if it was also unlocked on the Wed evening?)

Why is there no mention of this NW on the neighbour's video footage they told KD about - I remember it being reported that the neighbours hadn't looked as far back as the Wed evening, thinking the murders had happened closer to the time the bodies were found. But didn't the neighbours still have that footage of Wed evening/night? Or had it been overwritten by the time they thought to look at the Wed night?? (The police were said to have only taken a 'copy' of that neighbour's footage.)

 

[deugirtni]

Good points. It occurs to me that with the snow on the ground that night that there may be bootprints inside the home from the suspect. Unless the killer or the cleaner cleaned them up, or LE or the people in the house walked over them..

Considering we've heard about how the cleaning lady continued cleaning even while police were there investigating, it's doubtful they would've been able to get any good shoeprints? But this guy.. would he have been careless about leaving shoeprints, or would he have removed his boots once inside the home, or covered them up with booties?

 

[Gina20]

I was wondering same. Does anyone have or can anyone get the weather data from the Wed night through to Friday at noon? Was there a mild point where the snow would've all melted? I remember them saying that the heated driveway would've melted any shoeprints on the driveway.. but what of all the rest, and when did the snow start and end, etc? If prints are in the rear yard.. would they even necessarily be meaningful? Did that furnace repairman who was also present on the Friday morning, enter or leave the house through that back basement door as well? (Is that why that back door may have been left unlocked as noticed after the bodies were found, because he didn't lock it after himself, and nobody else thought to lock it after he left? Who knows if it was also unlocked on the Wed evening?)

Why is there no mention of this NW on the neighbour's video footage they told KD about - I remember it being reported that the neighbours hadn't looked as far back as the Wed evening, thinking the murders had happened closer to the time the bodies were found. But didn't the neighbours still have that footage of Wed evening/night? Or had it been overwritten by the time they thought to look at the Wed night?? (The police were said to have only taken a 'copy' of that neighbour's footage.)

The footage could have been stored to the cloud.

 

[WINDSOR]

I appreciate the focus on boot prints, shoelaces and tread patterns. However as sleuthers we can get lost in the minutiae, and lose the big picture.

If the NW is the Suspect, the main goal is to identify him. Once he is identified then warrants for searches and arrests can be issued.
So how can we identify him? As I mentioned before, numerous people know who the NW is.(Family friends, co-workers, and so on)
But I think the general consensus is that he is not Canadian, and likely lives overseas.

What if each of us who has friends and relatives overseas, (especially Israel) sent those people the video, and told them about the $10,000,000.00 reward.

I know it is a long shot, and it might sound silly to some, but often these cases move forward on such information.

Maybe your cousin Mojimir in Romania remembers a similar guy when he was training with the special forces in a desert country.

Or

Something like. "I believe that is Abdul Zircon, he was section chief with Saudi intelligence".

Or

"I was a flight attendant on a flight from Toronto to Rome on Alitalia about a week after the murders, and I remember this guy who seemed so ordinary and was with a group of three other guys. He walked with a limp and seemed to be the leader of the group and gave orders like he was military. It was flight number 417, he sat in seat 33k"

If you have valid and specific and detailed info, I am sure the TPS would be interested in it.
IMO

 

[Gina20]

I appreciate the focus on boot prints, shoelaces and tread patterns. However as sleuthers we can get lost in the minutiae, and lose the big picture.

If the NW is the Suspect, the main goal is to identify him. Once he is identified then warrants for searches and arrests can be issued.
So how can we identify him? As I mentioned before, numerous people know who the NW is.(Family friends, co-workers, and so on)
But I think the general consensus is that he is not Canadian, and likely lives overseas.

What if each of us who has friends and relatives overseas, (especially Israel) sent those people the video, and told them about the $10,000,000.00 reward.

I know it is a long shot, and it might sound silly to some, but often these cases move forward on such information.

Maybe your cousin Mojimir in Romania remembers a similar guy when he was training with the special forces in a desert country.

Or

Something like. "I believe that is Abdul Zircon, he was section chief with Saudi intelligence".

Or

"I was a flight attendant on a flight from Toronto to Rome on Alitalia about a week after the murders, and I remember this guy who seemed so ordinary and was with a group of three other guys. He walked with a limp and seemed to be the leader of the group and gave orders like he was military. It was flight number 417, he sat in seat 33k"

If you have valid and specific and detailed info, I am sure the TPS would be interested in it.
IMO

Big picture in my mind? All MOO: This is a hired hitman, with specialized training (military/special ops) and considerable financial resources backing him. I do not doubt that he was armed and wearing body armour in the NW video. He is trained to kill with his bare hands. He fled to another country.

Your suggestion might be the only way ordinary people can contribute to finding him.