Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

[Tortoise]

If BS committed suicide do the restrained arms (if true) show he was not truly feeling suicidal?

 

[Tortoise]

Merry Christmas Eve, everyone!

Same to you!

Santa has already been in my house, even though the kids aren't in their beds yet, because they're all out!

 

[conledavis]

She does look like a sweetheart. I don't understand why they were selling that house when their new house hadn't even been started. I know they had a condo in Florida but it does seem like a money issue. Plus both in their 70's with health issues including cancer....that house wasn't big enough?? A huge undertaking for people at that age with diminishing physical capabilities....I know they weren't actually building it but still. Seems like a good time to downsize

 

[human]

She does look like a sweetheart. I don't understand why they were selling that house when their new house hadn't even been started. I know they had a condo in Florida but it does seem like a money issue. Plus both in their 70's with health issues including cancer....that house wasn't big enough?? A huge undertaking for people at that age with diminishing physical capabilities....I know they weren't actually building it but still. Seems like a good time to downsize

I thought that , too, but people pointed out the family is getting bigger and perhaps they need more rroom for events.

Most of us downsize because of the work involved with taking care of a larger house.

That is not an issue with them.

I have asked and I would look myself, but I do not know how Canada works.

Usually in the US with a building permit, the house plans are submitted along with the cost of the project.

How do you find this online in Toronto?

 

[Cookiejean]

Im certainly not an expert or even moderately educated on the subject, but believe that grasping at whatever object is around the neck to stop the compression would be a reflexive action regardless of one's intent.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Clear video, despite the snow!
Apparently checking the sewers is not the norm in murder cases.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.3734521

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Great photo op, though.

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[dotr]

Im certainly not an expert or even moderately educated on the subject, but believe that grasping at whatever object is around the neck to stop the compression would be a reflexive action regardless of one's intent.

Welcome to Ws Cookiejean!
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[gregjrichards]

Apologies if this has been covered already. Did the Sherman’s have a housekeeper? If they did it would be interesting to know how relations were between Barry and Honey in the weeks leading up to their deaths.

 

[Tortoise]

Im certainly not an expert or even moderately educated on the subject, but believe that grasping at whatever object is around the neck to stop the compression would be a reflexive action regardless of one's intent.

I agree. I hadn't really thought this through before, but grasping at the neck or belt isn't going to make any difference if it's you who is applying your weight on the belt, as opposed to someone else strangling you and you trying to remove it. A more effective or instinctive reflexive action might be to sit up again and stop leaning forwards. I can't see why he would worry about clawing at his own neck, that in itself is not going to prevent his death if he changes his mind. This line of thought has led me to wonder if there was something also preventing him from sitting up - that must have been a worry for him too if he was so worried about being able to release the belt with his hands.

Hmm, I've strayed a bit from my original question but I do wonder why he chose that method and why the jacket like that. It doesn't suggest a depressive cause on first reflection.

 

[nuff]

OK, here’s another idea I’m floating from the fence that could be a motive for manslaughter-suicide. What was Barry’s reputation with women? Was he respectful or did he push boundaries in his powerful position? Could one or more accusations from the past have surfaced privately that Honey found out about? One that would ruin Barry, as it has men in the U.S.? Is there a #MeToo movement in Canada? Was an article about to be published? Of course, as litigious as he was, he might have fought back in court rather than ending his life. Unless an argument about it with Honey led to her serious injury, causing him to stage the suicide and end his life. Just one of many possibilities I haven’t seen mentioned. He doesn’t seem “the type” but neither have some of the other men.

NMO—Not My Opinion, just a thought that popped into my head.

No way. If there were something like that, do you really think that many of his obviously grieving female employees would have attended the service? If you lived in Toronto and knew the Shermans' reputation, you wouldn't even imagine this could be a reason. (And yes, there is a #Metoo movement in Canada. See recent news about Charles Dutoit the conductor.)

 

[JDG]

No way. If there were something like that, do you really think that many of his obviously grieving female employees would have attended the service? If you lived in Toronto and knew the Shermans' reputation, you wouldn't even imagine this could be a reason. (And yes, there is a #Metoo movement in Canada. See recent news about Charles Dutoit the conductor.)

Just curious. IF he had 'a way' with women would they attend the memorial because their superiors TOLD them to and they knew the TPS would be videoing the people coming and going. My spouse had a murdered colleague many years ago and everyone at the firm knew the police were suspicious and filming the mourners, so all of the men and most of the women attended.

I wouldn't have known the Shermans if I walked right into them, yet I live not far away. I didn't get any impression that he was a womanizer though.
People who are work- a- holics tend to NOT have time for liaisons of that sort.

 

[nuff]

Also if you own multiple properties and each take one on title, you may be able to get tax advantages on the primary residence capital gains exemption.

This has not been the case in Canada since 1978. One primary residence per couple.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Merry Christmas, everyone! (No more sleuthing for awhile for me. Family time)

My deepest condolences to the Sherman family and friends.

 

[conledavis]

I'm pretty sure getting a permit for anything in Toronto takes forever. I lived there for many years. Many layers of bureaucracy, especially somewhere like Forest Hill. Amazing they got the former house torn down that quickly. I know someone in Rosedale who built a fence. She had to have city inspectors she paid there all the time and the post holes had to be drilled with water pressure. UGH. It's so extreme to me.

I thought I read the Sherman children didn't live in Toronto. Except maybe the son. It's unlikely they lived were planning to live with their parents anyway in the bigger house not ever to be built now.

 

[Tighthead]

This has not been the case in Canada since 1978. One primary residence per couple.

Thanks. I wasn’t comfortable with that hence the “may”. It makes sense, policy wise.

Creditor proofing and convenience makes the most sense.

 

[JayFriend]

With all due respect, the police made that pronouncement before there was time for any evidence to be processed. IMO

I truly believe the murder suicide pronouncement by LE was a knee-jerk reaction that slipped out before their brain was in gear. When this is all over and it's determined not to be murder suicide, TPS may well be subject to a massive law suit.

 

[pamelado2]

I think you might have to be a verified user to make some of these points. Might want to check with a mod. But, welcome to the discussion.

Locals aren't verified anymore, as far as I know.

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[DueSouth]

No, I'm saying that the police have already released their findings. They called this a murder suicide.

There is absolutely nothing to support a theory of double murder, so there's no reason to run down rabbit holes.

I'm not aware of anyone genuinely claiming to be falsely imprisoned in Canada. Can you offer a name of someone who claims to have been falsely imprisoned last year, or maybe, let's say, the last five years. I don't mean every person in the prison system, I mean someone who may legitimately be falsely imprisoned in Canada and where there are legal documents to read.

David Milgaard, Guy Paul Morin, Steven Truscott, Donald Marshall and Thomas Sophonow were all wrongly convicted and imprisoned, to name some of the more famous ones.

 

[kiwi50]

Just curious. IF he had 'a way' with women would they attend the memorial because their superiors TOLD them to and they knew the TPS would be videoing the people coming and going. My spouse had a murdered colleague many years ago and everyone at the firm knew the police were suspicious and filming the mourners, so all of the men and most of the women attended.

I wouldn't have known the Shermans if I walked right into them, yet I live not far away. I didn't get any impression that he was a womanizer though.
People who are work- a- holics tend to NOT have time for liaisons of that sort.

I can&#8217;t see him as a womaniser or even appealing to women. <modsnip>

 

[Lexiintoronto]

This quote was posted upthread, but I can't find the post to quote it, so I'm re-posting it, bolded by me.

&#8220;The concept of letting go was not in his DNA,&#8221; longtime friend and former Apotex CEO Jack Kay said. &#8220;He was tenacious when he felt he was right.&#8221; http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/the-life-and-tumultuous-times-of-barry-and-honey-sherman

So, he would fight "when he felt he was right."

What about when he was wrong? What did he do then?

If he killed his wife, he knew that was wrong. I think it's entirely possible he killed Honey (whether accidentally or planned) and he knew that was not right. He would not win that battle in court. So he killed himself.

There are other possibilities as to what happened - I am well aware of that. But....this is one possibility.

jmopinion at the moment

Excellent point.