Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

[JDG]

AFAIK that just means they're snaking the pipes in the hood and/or taking samples. Stay tuned I guess.

Just being super cautious cause they don't want Lawyer Greenspan going after them.

 

[otto]

What about if he murdered Honey. Wouldn't there be a coroner's inquest?

She died by strangulation. It looks like he was the only other person in the house. There is no mystery, nothing to investigate.

 

[dotr]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-barry-sherman-how-do-police-investigate.html

After the deaths of Honey and Barry Sherman, how do police investigate?

The Star spoke with a former member of Toronto police’s homicide squad and a forensic toxicologist about death investigations.

Two forensics officers unloaded materials from their van, stomped the snow off their shoes and entered the multi-million dollar home of Barry and Honey Sherman Friday evening as the investigation into billionaire couple’s death continues one week after their bodies were found. Police are slated to descend into the sewers Saturday for further clues in the search.

The case has been subject to intense speculation and public attention. A police investigation is ongoing, and though their causes-of-death has been released publicly, there has been no official statement on whether the 75 and 70-year-old couple died by homicide, suicide or any other means.

Post-mortem toxicology can be used to assist in determining a cause-of-death, but can also be used to give context to the circumstances leading up to death. “Sometimes it yields surprising results,” Fuller said. “You may find concentrations of drugs that are unexplainable, or surprising, or that they actually full out disabled the person prior to them being killed.”

In cases where the cause of death is clear, toxicology can be used as an abundance of caution. “They certainly don’t want to get caught up in controversy down the road where ‘you guys should have done toxicology and you didn’t.’”

Toronto police were seen looking at the roof of the house that Barry and Honey were found inside, and inside their car. Why would they be looking there?

They could be searching in the car for signs of a struggle, blood, or other evidence that could hone in their investigation.
“It’s anybody’s guess why they were on the roof,” he added.

rbbm.

 

[Midge Montana]

Roof? Sewers?
What do y'all think they'd be looking for in those places in a death investigation?
I can see a gun, maybe, but we have no indication that a gun (or knife) was used in these deaths, right?

 

[Jennifer17]

Roof? Sewers?
What do y'all think they'd be looking for in those places in a death investigation?
I can see a gun, maybe, but we have no indication that a gun (or knife) was used in these deaths, right?

Seeing if someone could have gained entrance through a skylight?

 

[JayFriend]

d'Angelo's comments that police will look at security tapes and also will look at cell phone records to see who was having conversations outside the house will become more interesting if there are no such tapes and no such conversations.

The Shermans don't seem to have been big fans of that technology, so there may not be much there. Unlike Dellen Millard and Mark Smich, who were done in by their selfie and texting addiction documenting everything they did.

 

[Montrealaise]

Interesting that Brad Garrett didn't even raise the issue of a possible murder-suicide but instead, seemed to assume that it was a double homicide.

 

[Canterbury Tales]

Interesting that Brad Garrett didn't even raise the issue of a possible murder-suicide but instead, seemed to assume that it was a double homicide.

Because he has a brain in his head. IMO, there's no other sane option given the facts we do know. This was a double murder staged to look like a double suicide or murder-suicide IMO. The problem in this case, is finding some evidence to prove it when it looks like great pains were taken and a lot of planning went into making it appear what it wasn't. You just have to hope that somebody slipped up somewhere and the investigators will find it.

 

[Grace.212]

What could possibly be in a sewer??? What would they be looking for?

 

[FastLikeLight]

What could possibly be in a sewer??? What would they be looking for?

Maybe water was drained from the pool and something could have been flushed. Maybe something else was flushed from toilets. Probably police wants to turn every stone around.

 

[otto]

Because he has a brain in his head. IMO, there's no other sane option given the facts we do know. This was a double murder staged to look like a double suicide or murder-suicide IMO. The problem in this case, is finding some evidence to prove it when it looks like great pains were taken and a lot of planning went into making it appear what wasn't. You just have to hope that somebody slipped up somewhere and the investigators will find it.

Everything that police have said points to murder and suicide.

 

[dotr]

VIDEO.
https://www.cp24.com/

Forensic officers remain at Sherman home

 

[Tortoise]

What could possibly be in a sewer??? What would they be looking for?

Maybe something is missing from the house. A phone, a car key, a remote garage opener?

I don't know if they mean the sewer pipes leading from the house or street rainwater sewers.

 

[Canterbury Tales]

Everything that police have said points to murder and suicide.

No, it doesn't. Quite the opposite. Brad Garrett, the former FBI agent they called Dr. Death because of all of the high profile murder cases he was involved in, seems to be a voice of reason IMO.

You think they're draining the sewers outside the Sherman home because they think Barry Sherman was the culprit? Next on this forum, we'll read opinions from some posters about how Barry was likely a serial killer who was responsible for many unsolved serial killer cases. :thinking:

 

[Grey-St]

Everything that police have said points to murder and suicide.

Well, the only thing that police have actually said, is the cause of death.

 

[Jennifer17]

No, it doesn't. Quite the opposite. Brad Garrett, the former FBI agent they called Dr. Death because of all of the high profile murder cases he was involved in, seems to be a voice of reason IMO.

You think they're draining the sewers outside the Sherman home because they think Barry Sherman was the culprit? Next on this forum, we'll read opinions from some posters about how Barry was likely a serial killer who was responsible for many unsolved serial killer cases. :thinking:

That is not a fact. It is your opinion only.BBM

 

[liz b.]

Anything of value missing from the house or Honey's vehicle ?

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Everything that police have said points to murder and suicide.

But the police truly haven’t said anything yet. It has all been “sources” said, with the exception of the autopsy results. We do not have enough information to even speculate, IMO.


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[otto]

No, it doesn't. Quite the opposite. Brad Garrett, the former FBI agent they called Dr. Death because of all of the high profile murder cases he was involved in, seems to be a voice of reason IMO.

You think they're draining the sewers outside the Sherman home because they think Barry Sherman was the culprit? Next on this forum, we'll read opinions from some posters about how Barry was likely a serial killer who was responsible for many unsolved serial killer cases. :thinking:

I think the family and friends do not want to accept that this is a murder/suicide, and homicide police have been pressured to do a criminal investigation to rule out all possibilities that there was a break in, or that a weapon was tossed into the nearby sewer.

 

[JDG]

After reading the latest Toronto Star article, I know they were surmising and not involved in this case but I do hope they are correct about the use of drugs and incapacitating the victims before killing them. From their lips to G_ds ear, it would be better to think that Honey Sherman never knew what hit her and was unconscious. Barry too, if he didn't do it. IF that turns out to be true, it may give the family some small, very small consolation. JMO