CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21

[MrsHenryAbra]

I've seen the warrant documents and ITOs. Interestingly, they make reference to the walking man walking on Old Colony Road. It could just be a typo. They may, however, have evidence of him on Old Colony. Here me out.

There is a small side street called Harrison, not annotated in the below map, but going east down Old Colony its the first left. There is nothing on that little street, at the end there is a brush but also a pavement walkway that comes out on the street behind, forest heights. I've confirmed with those in the neighborhood that that path has been there for years. The pavement is also clearly old and has an old drain jutting up at the entrance off Harrison. It was definitely there in 2017. From there its a straight shot down to Vyner. Vyner must have been used because if you walk it (I have), its completely isolated. Trees on both sides with no houses for a while. The bus stop I cite (#115) runs until 1030 pm and its at the next intersection after the last recorded video of NW on Bannatyne Drive. Recall, bus system holds video for 72 h only. The end point of that route is a subway station with lots of tentacles. They also only hold video for 72 h then scrub for privacy reasons.

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This one shows the Harrison path if it was taken. Makes sense for the exit, why go through the back way again, risk interaction with neighbors etc., when you were planning on walking on the street anyways? Its a shorter distance to cover, especially with that uphill on Vyner to get to Bannatyne.
View attachment 428551These are screengrabs from the warrant files. Specifically, Yim's ITO#8 Appendix C - 2018. Multiple references are made to the person walking *on* Old Colony Road
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We know TPS has been careless at times, but what to make of the direct reference to the NW *on* Old Colony Road multiple times in a warrant application to a Judge?

None of this would be contradicted by Det. Sergeant Price's comments at the press conference: "We were able to get images from nearby, on either side, kind of, and around the Sherman household and this individual walks into that area, does not continue to walk through but remains in that area that's not covered by video footage, and remains in there and then comes back out some time later, and that's how we've been able to narrow this individual's location down."

His commentary here is interesting. Why use the statement "walk through". He *does not* walk through initially, Price says. As if this was to be expected? Is this a tell? That they have him walking through and just don't confirm it directly? So entry through the back. Execute the Shermans. Then exit by walking right out onto Old Colony Road down a couple houses to Harrison then you're basically invisible until Bannatyne.

He goes on:
"Well its a fairly defined area."

imo, speculation

Det. Sargeant Price also smirks when saying that walking was the "general" mode of travel "to and from *the defined area*". Again, think about logistics here. NW has to get to the subdivision somehow. He isn't walking all over Toronto and so had to be dropped off somewhere. You'd want somewhere close without cameras to pick up the quick exit from the murder team's drop off vehicle. The getaway vehicle would be waiting in some parking lot off the bus or subway route. They did not want NW on camera getting into some vehicle. They want a vehicle, with a driver, without a cell phone, or using a communication method not traceable (radio, special phone set up, etc.) who does a benign drive by off the 401 to a dead camera zone close to the estate. Then they continue on, the vehicle need not even stop to let NW out in the camera dead zone. Then continue on in your untraceable and benign vehicle.

One has to think, from the perspective of the murder team, better to be on some public camera that's scrubbed in 72 h as opposed to a bunch of private home cameras who could have the tape for a week and likely longer. Recall that KD believes that its likely Wednesday was specific. Thursday would have been logistically easier and less risky given less chance of anyone else at the house, etc. That timeline, and the correct assumption that no one would be alert to nefarious actions. It is still mind boggling how long they were staged before anyone suspected anything. But, as KD says, a perfect storm. Major players were out of town during that precise 36-48 hour time period. It goes beyond a stroke of luck, playing into the deep planning the murder team engaged in. This may have been their first time, but they were prepared and got lucky, too.

If one was going to do this, they planned and deliberated. Their success for 60 months shows this. It wasn't *just
* TPS mistakes. They planned a lot. I suspect if it wasn't done something like this, this was a very viable and attractive option considered by the murder team.

imo, speculation

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

Welcome! I think most people dismiss KW as the killer and think suspiciously toward JS. Before I posted here for the first time I read a lot and came to that same conclusion. I would be shocked if it isn't either him or someone in his circle. As soon as I read that his father asked for $50 to $60 million back and that JS didn't make a move to get that, I came to that conclusion and after going further back to watching the eulogy I became even more suspicious. If he had started the process of paying him back I likely wouldn't have come to this conclusion.

astute? hmm...

the real question: who is capable of the wetwork close to the inner circle? Would nullify risk of payment and liability of another person with knowledge out there. Outside considering that, you have the hitmen theory, which, I think is still viable. This, despite KD saying he thinks whoever wanted it done was part of the murder team's wetwork that night.

imo, speculation

 

[sandy_80]

KW is Kerry Winter, a member of Ws who posts on these Sherman threads.
NW= Walking Man, but i and others often refer to him by his original moniker, the Night Walker, the WM title is too reminiscent of artist M Snow's Walking Woman, imo, speculation, fwiw.
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Documenting Michael Snow | Art Gallery of Ontario

Michael Snow (1928-2023) was a legendary Canadian artist whose highly acclaimed and influential practice spanned all media, including painting, drawing, sculpture, photography, film, video projection, sound art, bookmaking and experimental jazz. Snow was active as an artist until the very end.

ago.ca

Stencil of Walking Woman, ca. 1962. Michael Snow fonds, Edward P. Taylor Library & Archives. Gift of Michael Snow, 1992. © Estate of Michael Snow.

he is a poster here but is involved in the case ! ppl are talking about a suspect

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

KW posts here??

 

[Lexiintoronto]

 

[dotr]

KW posts here??

Yes, he is a Ws.

Kerry Winter

www.websleuths.com

''Verified Insider
Kerry Winter - Verified family member''

 

[Window21]

KW posts here??

Yes, once in a while he pops in. He's quite interesting and has shared some interesting info at times.

 

[sandy_80]

ok so he is that one...I personally dont think he is relevent to the case
could he be one of the names the son gave ...

 

[dotr]

Det. Sargeant Price also smirks when saying that walking was the "general" mode of travel "to and from *the defined area*". Again, think about logistics here. NW has to get to the subdivision somehow. He isn't walking all over Toronto and so had to be dropped off somewhere. You'd want somewhere close without cameras to pick up the quick exit from the murder team's drop off vehicle. The getaway vehicle would be waiting in some parking lot off the bus or subway route. They did not want NW on camera getting into some vehicle. They want a vehicle, with a driver, without a cell phone, or using a communication method not traceable (radio, special phone set up, etc.) who does a benign drive by off the 401 to a dead camera zone close to the estate. Then they continue on, the vehicle need not even stop to let NW out in the camera dead zone. Then continue on in your untraceable and benign vehicle.

One has to think, from the perspective of the murder team, better to be on some public camera that's scrubbed in 72 h as opposed to a bunch of private home cameras who could have the tape for a week and likely longer. Recall that KD believes that its likely Wednesday was specific. Thursday would have been logistically easier and less risky given less chance of anyone else at the house, etc. That timeline, and the correct assumption that no one would be alert to nefarious actions. It is still mind boggling how long they were staged before anyone suspected anything. But, as KD says, a perfect storm. Major players were out of town during that precise 36-48 hour time period. It goes beyond a stroke of luck, playing into the deep planning the murder team engaged in. This may have been their first time, but they were prepared and got lucky, too.

If one was going to do this, they planned and deliberated. Their success for 60 months shows this. It wasn't *just
* TPS mistakes. They planned a lot. I suspect if it wasn't done something like this, this was a very viable and attractive option considered by the murder team.

imo, speculation

Welcome to Ws @MrsHenryAbra!
The scenario you presented seems very plausible, one thing that i would expect of an assassination team (whether ''pro'' or amateur), is that they would rehearse the plan in advance, maybe same time at night to watch for the timing, lights, cameras, neighbours, etc. imo, speculation.

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

Welcome to Ws @MrsHenryAbra!
The scenario you presented seems very plausible, one thing that i would expect of an assassination team (whether ''pro'' or amateur), is that they would rehearse the plan in advance, maybe same time at night to watch for the timing, lights, cameras, neighbours, etc. imo, speculation.

Reminiscent of the Douglas Garland case out of Calgary. His attack was set in motion by estate change and sale, and he completed a detailed dry run.

imo, speculation

 

[dotr]

Reminiscent of the Douglas Garland case out of Calgary. His attack was set in motion by estate change and sale, and he completed a detailed dry run.

imo, speculation

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[Lexiintoronto]

I've seen the warrant documents and ITOs. Interestingly, they make reference to the walking man walking on Old Colony Road. It could just be a typo. They may, however, have evidence of him on Old Colony. Here me out.

There is a small side street called Harrison, not annotated in the below map, but going east down Old Colony its the first left. There is nothing on that little street, at the end there is a brush but also a pavement walkway that comes out on the street behind, forest heights. I've confirmed with those in the neighborhood that that path has been there for years. The pavement is also clearly old and has an old drain jutting up at the entrance off Harrison. It was definitely there in 2017. From there its a straight shot down to Vyner. Vyner must have been used because if you walk it (I have), its completely isolated. Trees on both sides with no houses for a while. The bus stop I cite (#115) runs until 1030 pm and its at the next intersection after the last recorded video of NW on Bannatyne Drive. Recall, bus system holds video for 72 h only. The end point of that route is a subway station with lots of tentacles. They also only hold video for 72 h then scrub for privacy reasons.

View attachment 428539
This one shows the Harrison path if it was taken. Makes sense for the exit, why go through the back way again, risk interaction with neighbors etc., when you were planning on walking on the street anyways? Its a shorter distance to cover, especially with that uphill on Vyner to get to Bannatyne.
View attachment 428551These are screengrabs from the warrant files. Specifically, Yim's ITO#8 Appendix C - 2018. Multiple references are made to the person walking *on* Old Colony Road
View attachment 428548
View attachment 428549
We know TPS has been careless at times, but what to make of the direct reference to the NW *on* Old Colony Road multiple times in a warrant application to a Judge?

None of this would be contradicted by Det. Sergeant Price's comments at the press conference: "We were able to get images from nearby, on either side, kind of, and around the Sherman household and this individual walks into that area, does not continue to walk through but remains in that area that's not covered by video footage, and remains in there and then comes back out some time later, and that's how we've been able to narrow this individual's location down."

His commentary here is interesting. Why use the statement "walk through". He *does not* walk through initially, Price says. As if this was to be expected? Is this a tell? That they have him walking through and just don't confirm it directly? So entry through the back. Execute the Shermans. Then exit by walking right out onto Old Colony Road down a couple houses to Harrison then you're basically invisible until Bannatyne.

He goes on:
"Well its a fairly defined area."

imo, speculation

I really appreciate seeing your posts that include the ITOs, but can you please link the source? Are they from Ann Brocklehurst’s substack or did you directly obtain them from the courts?

I imagine the more recent ITOs may show a different route, but if the police have reason to believe that route is accurate— based on cctv footage for example— then it differs from KD’s source that told him the WM suspect cut through the neighbour’s backyard on Forest Heights. And KD has obviously seen these ITOs as he was the one who went to court to obtain them.

If that map of the WM’s route is accurate it’s possibly some indication that there were two people present (one taking that route, one cutting through Forest Heights, imo). The police guarded that Forest Heights home the entire time they held and guarded the Shermans’ former home.

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

I really appreciate seeing your posts that include the ITOs, but can you please link the source? Are they from Ann Brocklehurst’s substack or did you directly obtain them from the courts?

I imagine the more recent ITOs may show a different route, but if the police have reason to believe that route is accurate— based on cctv footage for example— then it differs from KD’s source that told him the WM suspect cut through the neighbour’s backyard on Forest Heights. And KD has obviously seen these ITOs as he was the one who went to court to obtain them.

If that map of the WM’s route is accurate it’s possibly some indication that there were two people present (one taking that route, one cutting through Forest Heights, imo). The police guarded that Forest Heights home the entire time they held and guarded the Shermans’ former home.

Obtained through the open courts. Same as AB, KD, etc.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

rbbm JUNE 13, 2023 8:55AM

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''Michael Andlauer has reached an agreement to acquire the NHL’s Ottawa Senators for almost $1 billion, according to people familiar with the matter.

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The Chandos lake project fizzled, and Harlo made unsuccessful bids for the Beacon Hill Golf Club and now the Senators. (Both of which required more than money, the owners wanted buyers and terms they agree with.)

Is it possibly related to the bad press JS & AP have had? (imo). I’m trying to guage how Toronto feels about doing business with them with this hanging over their heads. And both of them seem to want power, imo.

 

[ldlager]

The Chandos lake project fizzled, and Harlo made unsuccessful bids for the Beacon Hill Golf Club and now the Senators. (Both of which required more than money, the owners wanted buyers and terms they agree with.)

Is it possibly related to the bad press JS & AP have had? (imo). I’m trying to guage how Toronto feels about doing business with them with this hanging over their heads. And both of them seem to want power, imo.

Shaft them on a deal and you never know what could happen…..

 

[Window21]

s it possibly related to the bad press JS & AP have had? (imo). I’m trying to guage how Toronto feels about doing business with them with this hanging over their heads. And both of them seem to want power, imo.

Exactly! These large corporations are probably aware that JS likes to fire people that are great at running a business and he has no loyalty to people that have committed their life's work to creating a successful company!
Imagine owing a NHL hockey team, then JS walks in and fires all the upper management? Way to risky IMO!
Plus his father has a reputation of suing everyone, so they probably want to steer clear of any drama and bad press. There were lots of other interested buyers to choose from, which clearly they did. All JMO!

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

WARMINGTON: Sherman mansion security underscores Toronto Police staffing issues

TORONTO — After 26 days of 24/7 protection, the Sherman mansion is no longer being guarded by Toronto Police officers from 33 Division.

torontosun.com

This OG article is by a police insider reporter in Toronto. I think you see here the persistence police had in relation to 54 Forest Heights. This is the second house off Gerald St. The columnist comments "what else is there to do"? This, after summarizing TPS activity. They went to great lengths to make sure that area was totally searched (and surveilled the entire time) before leaving. The police car in the photo is in the back of the driveway of 54 forest heights.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

The Chandos lake project fizzled, and Harlo made unsuccessful bids for the Beacon Hill Golf Club and now the Senators. (Both of which required more than money, the owners wanted buyers and terms they agree with.)

Is it possibly related to the bad press JS & AP have had? (imo). I’m trying to guage how Toronto feels about doing business with them with this hanging over their heads. And both of them seem to want power, imo.

I didn't know the Chandos Lake project fizzled.

I do believe the lack of JS and AP's names showing up on the Harlo sites is intentional. Anyone who reads KD's articles knows they're both under the spotlight because they asked for money from Barry when he had asked for so much more back. They don't come across as good business people, so it's best to keep them hidden, moo.

 

[AndrewM71]

Exactly! These large corporations are probably aware that JS likes to fire people that are great at running a business and he has no loyalty to people that have committed their life's work to creating a successful company!
Imagine owing a NHL hockey team, then JS walks in and fires all the upper management? Way to risky IMO!
Plus his father has a reputation of suing everyone, so they probably want to steer clear of any drama and bad press. There were lots of other interested buyers to choose from, which clearly they did. All JMO!

JS and AP have a connection to Harlo Financial.

The bid for the Senators was by Harlo Capital.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

JS and AP have a connection to Harlo Financial.

The bid for the Senators was by Harlo Capital.

Both of those companies are under the same umbrella of the Harlo group of companies. I can pull up old posts for reference if needed.