CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21

[MrsHenryAbra]

Another thought is the planning. Obviously it was big league planning. Gerald st onto Old Colony has a dead spot re any line of sight to the corner of old colony. Covering tracks is the key here. Purchase of the ligatures and the drop off and pick off being the biggest issues from the POV of the murder team (other than the $ payment obviously, which would be another vulnerability).

As it relates to the ligatures, how to procure them in a way that Canadian investigators would not find out about or have a trail of? Getting rid of them is easier.

As it relates to the drop off and pick up, KD believes that NW came and went from and to the east, via forest heights. He likely took vyner to bannatyne. But, I don't believe there is evidence that he necessarily arrived near the area via that path. So one option is to drop the NW off on Gerald. Any cameras around the street ends wouldn't pick up the lapse in time for the car. It was nighttime, easy to have the NW in the back so as to not be seen on camera while in transit. He takes the back entrance and completes the murders then leaves on foot as reported. Two man team? I favor this theory, given the task in the residence. However, there is some evidence that this could have been a one man murder team as part of a slightly bigger group. First, there is absolutely no evidence of anyone else on site. None. Not from KD, not from police, not from neighbors, not from any of the other leaks. Is it even possible to get to the estate without getting picked up on camera somewhere? Unlikely they have such close surveillance of NW and no one else. Second, everyone tinks HS injury shows the murder team did not like her as much. Not necessarily. What was different about the ambushes? Temporal relationship was different. A lot easier to subdue BS if you're waiting behind the door. If you have to muscle your way in to ensure you don't trip alarm, etc., HS was the obstacle most likely to cause you grief. Friends even say she would have fought. What else? The NW likely underestimated her. She may have actually got away (phone evidence). But at the point she's neutralized, it becomes a lot easier to subdue BS from inside the home - significantly decreases the surprise element. He was also less spry and fit than Honey and so easily to neutralize. We also have evidence the NW has a foot drop or injury. Consistent with an unintended prolonged struggle with HS, who everyone agrees would be able to put up a better overall fight (trainers and forensic autopsy evidence show this to be fact).

There are bus stops at the street corners a little past where NW was videoed. The next block has buses that run until 1030 pm. It is publicly available information that TTC (the toronto bus service) only holds video for 72 hours.

One has to think like the murder team. NW didn't just walk home. Too risky. He was dropped off and picked up somewhere. Because of other case specifics this was very unlikely to be a total one man show. I doubt it was a big show either. To pull something like this off, it probably isn't even the crime scene that's the biggest vulnerability, but tracking.

Can you think of a better option than the bus? Completely free travel to a wide variety of areas. Invisible after 72 h. KD states he thinks wednesday was picked for a reason, despite thursday being a potentially easier day. Why?

By the time the police hit the ground running re interviews, on the Sunday, TTC video was gone. TPS likely have still not even considered this, given they hadn't taken the neighbor's video until the Sunday night.

imo, speculation

Another thought...

The third vulnerability - payment. Its not an obstacle if those who benefit directly are the only ones involved...

imo, speculation

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

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[Sphinx]

To be fair to JS, he did give those emails willingly (although JK seems to have been CC'd so KD I believe said "sources on background" had suggested this email chain existed.

He also does downplay the $ stuff, saying that BS had these phases and it wasn't anything new to him and AP.

Still, his actions re: estate over time seem curious and that seems to be the message KD is dropping, at least in part. Like the suicidal comment years ago, the trying to deem BS incapable for finances. The the big money ask and impending changes to the will, which may not have been exactly secret but that the kids would not have interest in disclosing necessarily, given the $300M MS requested.

The prosecutor and cop telling KD about Green Storage facility on the east side of the city, stands as the single most bizarre part of this case to me. Why on god's earth would that be stated to KD of all people, and as a nonsequitur? KD says (on his q@a linked above, that this was either 1) a tip or 2) an attempt to "see what he knew". Why would they care if it was door #2?

imo, speculation

Unusual thought, I know, but what if TPS or the private investigators suspect that the killer(s), possibly the NW stayed at the Green Storage facility before or after the murders so no trace of a hotel, motel bill could be found, and less people would see him(them)? It might even be a good place to switch cars, get rid of evidence like zip ties, a heavy coat worn by the NW, or to get a ride with someone to an airport. It could have been a meeting place, where pictures of the murder were shown, and payment made. Even if payment were in bitcoin, I would think the less computer and phone trail the better. Security at the storage units could have been deactivated, no videos etc. Also, if JS or others connected to him were seen there, they could have a plausible excuse, since they could have been coming to their storage unit, etc. Maybe the person they were meeting also had a unit there, or could explain his presence as an owner, or part owner.

It is strange that the detective raised the topic of the Green Storage Facility with KD. It must be important, and either he wanted to look in KD's eyes when he mentioned it, and see if there was a reaction, or he was giving him a lead, but I tend to think that with a detective, it would be the former.
All speculation on my part, and IMO

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

Unusual thought, I know, but what if TPS or the private investigators suspect that the killer(s), possibly the NW stayed at the Green Storage facility before or after the murders so no trace of a hotel, motel bill could be found, and less people would see him(them)? It might even be a good place to switch cars, get rid of evidence like zip ties, a heavy coat worn by the NW, or to get a ride with someone to an airport. It could have been a meeting place, where pictures of the murder were shown, and payment made. Even if payment were in bitcoin, I would think the less computer and phone trail the better. Security at the storage units could have been deactivated, no videos etc. Also, if JS or others connected to him were seen there, they could have a plausible excuse, since they could have been coming to their storage unit, etc. Maybe the person they were meeting also had a unit there, or could explain his presence as an owner, or part owner.

It is strange that the detective raised the topic of the Green Storage Facility with KD. It must be important, and either he wanted to look in KD's eyes when he mentioned it, and see if there was a reaction, or he was giving him a lead, but I tend to think that with a detective, it would be the former.
All speculation on my part, and IMO

This is the bus route at the end of the corner the NW is seen walking. Bus stop right there. Goes to Station. Subway also only holds video for 72 hours. Bus Route 115 Silver Hills Westbound

Bus operated until 1030 pm. We know from the warrant file poster that the shot they released of him is literally the last they have. He is gone after that. The block before that bus stop.

imo, speculation

 

[Window21]

Unusual thought, I know, but what if TPS or the private investigators suspect that the killer(s), possibly the NW stayed at the Green Storage facility before or after the murders so no trace of a hotel, motel bill could be found, and less people would see him(them)?

How far is that storage facility from colony rd?

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

How far is that storage facility from colony rd?

15 minute drive (20 km give or take)

 

[dotr]

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[FromGermany1]

Unusual thought, I know, but what if TPS or the private investigators suspect that the killer(s), possibly the NW stayed at the Green Storage facility before or after the murders so no trace of a hotel, motel bill could be found, and less people would see him(them)? It might even be a good place to switch cars, get rid of evidence like zip ties, a heavy coat worn by the NW, or to get a ride with someone to an airport. It could have been a meeting place, where pictures of the murder were shown, and payment made. Even if payment were in bitcoin, I would think the less computer and phone trail the better. Security at the storage units could have been deactivated, no videos etc. Also, if JS or others connected to him were seen there, they could have a plausible excuse, since they could have been coming to their storage unit, etc. Maybe the person they were meeting also had a unit there, or could explain his presence as an owner, or part owner.

It is strange that the detective raised the topic of the Green Storage Facility with KD. It must be important, and either he wanted to look in KD's eyes when he mentioned it, and see if there was a reaction, or he was giving him a lead, but I tend to think that with a detective, it would be the former.
All speculation on my part, and IMO

bbm
Do you think, the detective, trying to sound things out, suspected KD to know more to it than LE?

 

[FromGermany1]

“In short, my father was always very supportive of me and my businesses, including throughout 2017,” Jonathon wrote me on Dec. 12, 2020. “He did have his moments where he had more available cash for investing, and sometimes less, and we had mature conversations about this. This is what billionaires do with their sons.”

bbm
This is, what billionaire sons do, when trying again and again to wheedle out money of their father, no matter how the father reacts. MATURE conversations, of course. (If the mature conversations are unsuccessful, the father can still be declared incompetent or the son gets just a little suicidal.)

 

[Kemug]

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[MrsHenryAbra]

bbm
Do you think, the detective, trying to sound things out, suspected KD to know more to it than LE?

Interesting...

My thought wandered to the financial aspect of the property. There had been some speculation around finances for one of the spots being a bit strange. The demand for mortgages wouldn't be a big deal if the books weren't cooked. But if for some reason, the mortgages could not be done, that becomes a major problem given BS increasing the pressure.

I suspect that KD may have been making a point when he includes JS line about "never deceiving you" and then goes on to highlight how he did not give him all the emails relevant to that tie period and discussion.

The idea that that email was the last one BS, HS, or JS sent on that issue seems odd.

You need to put yourself in BS/HS shoes. BS ask for 50-60, gets in response another 6 mil ask the other way. How to explain this behavior? Then BS adds a lot of pressure "What will you do and when?" then what? We don't hear about it again? BS just lets it go? I don't think so. I wonder if something was ramping up behind the scenes? Why would they get so fixated on wills at the same time? Seems KD is of the opinion that the $500 Million to HS really was in the works. What if something surfaced re how one of their kids was using funds that triggered a re-think of the estate succession plan? BS seems unhappy with JS in the email chain, almost frustrated he has no interest in the estate, commenting on the persistence of his "hostility". BS had recently taken the other kids off the trustee list - was JS next?

I always think of that convo at the cottage between AK and JS. What did he say that convinced her of his own guilt?

imo, speculation

 

[Kemug]

It's really tempting to suggest that KW and JS were in cahoots, it would simplify things a bit!

 

[sandy_80]

sorry but who is KW ? and is the NW =WM ? like i figure

 

[MrsHenryAbra]

It's really tempting to suggest that KW and JS were in cahoots, it would simplify things a bit!

That is a theory that has received less attention. I put it in the same category as murder suicide. For the same reason. Lack of evidence in favor of it. He has an alibi. Etc, etc, etc

imo, speculation

 

[MerlinFalcon]

It's really tempting to suggest that KW and JS were in cahoots, it would simplify things a bit!

I have thought of this often since KW claims to know people who will commit murder.

 

[dotr]

sorry but who is KW ? and is the NW =WM ? like i figure

KW is Kerry Winter, a member of Ws who posts on these Sherman threads.
NW= Walking Man, but i and others often refer to him by his original moniker, the Night Walker, the WM title is too reminiscent of artist M Snow's Walking Woman, imo, speculation, fwiw.

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[MrsHenryAbra]

I've seen the warrant documents and ITOs. Interestingly, they make reference to the walking man walking on Old Colony Road. It could just be a typo. They may, however, have evidence of him on Old Colony. Here me out.

There is a small side street called Harrison, not annotated in the below map, but going east down Old Colony its the first left. There is nothing on that little street, at the end there is a brush but also a pavement walkway that comes out on the street behind, forest heights. I've confirmed with those in the neighborhood that that path has been there for years. The pavement is also clearly old and has an old drain jutting up at the entrance off Harrison. It was definitely there in 2017. From there its a straight shot down to Vyner. Vyner must have been used because if you walk it (I have), its completely isolated. Trees on both sides with no houses for a while. The bus stop I cite (#115) runs until 1030 pm and its at the next intersection after the last recorded video of NW on Bannatyne Drive. Recall, bus system holds video for 72 h only. The end point of that route is a subway station with lots of tentacles. They also only hold video for 72 h then scrub for privacy reasons.


This one shows the Harrison path if it was taken. Makes sense for the exit, why go through the back way again, risk interaction with neighbors etc., when you were planning on walking on the street anyways? Its a shorter distance to cover, especially with that uphill on Vyner to get to Bannatyne.
These are screengrabs from the warrant files. Specifically, Yim's ITO#8 Appendix C - 2018. Multiple references are made to the person walking *on* Old Colony Road


We know TPS has been careless at times, but what to make of the direct reference to the NW *on* Old Colony Road multiple times in a warrant application to a Judge?

None of this would be contradicted by Det. Sergeant Price's comments at the press conference: "We were able to get images from nearby, on either side, kind of, and around the Sherman household and this individual walks into that area, does not continue to walk through but remains in that area that's not covered by video footage, and remains in there and then comes back out some time later, and that's how we've been able to narrow this individual's location down."

His commentary here is interesting. Why use the statement "walk through". He *does not* walk through initially, Price says. As if this was to be expected? Is this a tell? That they have him walking through and just don't confirm it directly? So entry through the back. Execute the Shermans. Then exit by walking right out onto Old Colony Road down a couple houses to Harrison then you're basically invisible until Bannatyne.

He goes on:
"Well its a fairly defined area."

imo, speculation

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

That is a theory that has received less attention. I put it in the same category as murder suicide. For the same reason. Lack of evidence in favor of it. He has an alibi. Etc, etc, etc

imo, speculation

Plus IMO, if KW had been involved he would be proud to admit it.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

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[dotr]

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