Yes. Other than rehab, bail, several thousand a month, and a few miscellaneous items, I think everything BS “gave” the cousins was in the form of a loan. Otherwise he wouldn’t have been able get a court to order the cousins to pay back $8 million. You don’t have to pay back a gift.
CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21
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''Construction has begun at the site of the Joseph and Wolf Lebovic Jewish Community campus in Vaughan, Ont. for the Honey and Barry Sherman Arena. The $52 million dollar arena–to be attached to the existing JCC complex–is a gift from their son Jonathan Sherman to the Toronto Jewish community.
The late Sherman’s three surviving daughters are not participating.
It would make the UJA Federation of Greater Toronto the only JCC in Canada, and in North America, to own its own indoor ice hockey arena. With two NHL-sized rinks, stands, dressing rooms and a kosher snack bar, the arena is designed to provide badly-needed ice facilities for Jewish youth players and figure skaters, too. It will also be open to rentals by the wider community, where ice time is at a premium.
Jonathan Sherman admits the announcement brings “heavy emotions” because the 2017 murders of his billionaire philanthropist parents have not been solved. But on this day, Sherman says he wants to focus on continuing their legacy of community building. On this episode of The CJN Daily, we hear from Adam Minsky, the CEO of the UJA Federation of Greater Toronto; Christopher Ainsworth, the city councillor for the City of Vaughan where the project got the green light, and words from Jonathan Sherman himself.
What we talked about
Read about the construction of the Joseph and Wolf Lebovic campus in Vaughan over the years in The CJN, including the official opening in 2012.
After the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman in 2017, their legacy of philanthropy was in the spotlight, in 2018 in The CJN.''
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Honey and Barry Sherman’s son builds a hockey arena in their memory for Toronto’s Jewish community
Podcast Episode · The CJN Daily with Ellin Bessner · 2023-06-29 · 18m
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''Construction has begun at the site of the Joseph and Wolf Lebovic Jewish Community campus in Vaughan, Ont. for the Honey and Barry Sherman Arena. The $52 million dollar arena–to be attached to the existing JCC complex–is a gift from their son Jonathan Sherman to the Toronto Jewish community.
The late Sherman’s three surviving daughters are not participating.
It would make the UJA Federation of Greater Toronto the only JCC in Canada, and in North America, to own its own indoor ice hockey arena. With two NHL-sized rinks, stands, dressing rooms and a kosher snack bar, the arena is designed to provide badly-needed ice facilities for Jewish youth players and figure skaters, too. It will also be open to rentals by the wider community, where ice time is at a premium.
Jonathan Sherman admits the announcement brings “heavy emotions” because the 2017 murders of his billionaire philanthropist parents have not been solved. But on this day, Sherman says he wants to focus on continuing their legacy of community building. On this episode of The CJN Daily, we hear from Adam Minsky, the CEO of the UJA Federation of Greater Toronto; Christopher Ainsworth, the city councillor for the City of Vaughan where the project got the green light, and words from Jonathan Sherman himself.
What we talked about
Read about the construction of the Joseph and Wolf Lebovic campus in Vaughan over the years in The CJN, including the official opening in 2012.
After the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman in 2017, their legacy of philanthropy was in the spotlight, in 2018 in The CJN.''
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The new lot where they planned to build the 30mil home is the lot that was split:
Toronto property where Honey Sherman planned to build her dream home sells for $7.4 million — $900,000 below asking
“I wish Honey and Barry were still alive and could have built their home,” realtor says after sale of Sherman property.www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com
RE: 50 Old Colony, I read it was re numbered to 48 Old Colony Rd,
48 Old Colony Rd, Toronto, ON M2L 2J8 | MLS #C9068270 | Zillow
This is a Vacant Land. It is located at 48 Old Colony Rd, Toronto, ON.www.zillow.com
Sold HistoryListing records and last sold date for 48 Old Colony Road, Toronto
MLS® # Date Event Price C6003909 Apr 3, 2023 Listed $6,498,000 XXXXXXXXXX *advertiser censored* XX, XXXX Xxxxxxx $X,*advertiser censored*,*advertiser censored* *advertiser censored* XX, XXXX Xxxxxx $X,*advertiser censored*,*advertiser censored* XXXXXXXXXX *advertiser censored* XX, XXXX Xxxx $X,*advertiser censored*,*advertiser censored* *advertiser censored* XX, XXXX Xxxxxx $X,*advertiser censored*,*advertiser censored*
it looks like a builder has purchased the lot.
Rarely Available Premium Lot With Permit To Build Now. Build A 12000 Square Feet Unique Luxury Dream Home With Indoor Swimming Pool And Integral Below Grade Parking. This Rare 105 X 256 Ft Lot Is On One Of The Most Desirable Streets In Gta. Close To Shopping, Entertainment, High Ranking Public And Private Schools And Restaurants.
Correcting my statement "30 mil home" the lot cost HS 10 mil, so the build cost is 20 mil for the total of 30 mil cost. 10 mil was already spent and invested, 20 mil was what was being budgeted to build. I know that 20 mil is still an incredible amount of money but that is a large difference spending on the actual home, in my opinion, BS gave that to his son and some, peanuts compared to the 50-60 mil or 125 mil numbers we have heard throughout this investigation.
I assume when you have billions, spending millions would compare to most spending thousands of dollars. (20 mil = to 200 thousand) ? still a considerable investment to either
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And they knew it since he had them sign for this stuff. They gambled by suing him and lost.
I do wonder about the appeal. One of the brothers is a chef. He was part of it but chose to back out after they lost. Did he pay his quarter?
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Or someone replicated a clone phone with HS or BS cell # and were intercepting all communications. This is another manner that they could have been surveilled before Dec 13th.
Brings a thought to mind, have we discussed if any prior attempts were made on either HS or BS lives, especially in the month prior to Dec 13. If JS is involved were the murder or murders to happen when he was out of the country?
Have we considered that the bitcoin hand/time stamp photo was or was not to confirm payment to someone before they reached 50 OC? Will we ever know who JS shared that photo with?
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Again, Right or Wrong it was BS decision. IMO he was a giver and was well aware that he was a giver, but if you want to kick the gift giver in the groin and still expect to receive, I am not sure what to characterize that as, not an intelligent move?
This makes me think of a situation my mother had with us 3 children stuck on the QEW headed into Toronto in an old gremlin. We 3 kids in the back seat hot and bothered fighting, hitting and yelling at each other as Mom tried to get through traffic to pick up her university diploma for Political Science. In her frustration as we would not listen she warned if we did not stop we would have no Christmas presents. We ignored her and she had no other choice but to follow through on her warning. We did not receive any gifts from our parents nor Santa that year, only friends and relatives.
My sister, the oldest has never forgiven Mom for taking her Christmas away that year. She was a preteen like around 12 or 13 at this time.
I applaud my Mother for having the strength to follow through with her ultimatum. It was hard on my parents to not buy gifts it broke their hearts. But if Mom did renege on this big of a "threat" we would not respect her, we barley listened and gave her a hard time (as most kids did back in the 70's before all the technical gadgets and we only had the "outside" to overcome our boredom hehehe).
Christmas day my Father fully explained why they went through with it and we learned do not bite that hand that feeds you. Respect the people who support you, if you do not they can stop at anytime.
My sister with no past or present drug use or addictions is similar to KW she cannot get past "what was done to her" and will not look at what her culpability or responsibility was for the situation. She is stuck in the emotion and even in her sixty's now feels the physical pain from the experience, you mention it and she relives it you can see it on her face. Nothing we can say will change her disposition, even now that they are both gone.
Does anyone know if KW and his brothers did not have to pay Barry's estate the 8 million, plus other costs after he died? IMO
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Possibly if the Winters children had sued BS to absolve the loans and not demand to take part ownership of Apotex they may have won or BS may have worked something out? But they did not, they declared war and went after Apotex which BS already knew was not entwined with Empire in any way.
I am thinking that if you wanted any $$ from bank of Barry and to ensure that no one paid taxes on that $$ it was put out as a 0% loan, with no close date. Still leaving the string attached to the money so it can be pulled back at anytime.
Also staring to wonder if the Winters case as it went through the courts, if HS and BS looked at some of their own son and said he acts just as entitled and disrespectful as the Winters. Maybe this is when they were thinking to stop showering family and friends with $$, it only comes back to haunt them and they start to work less, apply less effort and expect more from BS.
Annpants asked "Do you think the Canadian police are a bit out of their depth with certain cases? Or do they not have the infrastructure needed to investigate complex mysteries?"
No more than other nations' law enforcement organizations who have numerous cold and unsolved cases in their files.
Long Island Serial Killer, Shannan Gilbert, Jimmy Hoffa, and Jon-Benet Ramsey are just a few cases that come to mind.
For all we know, LE has solved the case, only waiting for further evidence to lay charges and go to trial.
There is no statute of limitations on this case, so the primary objective is a successful prosecution, not a hasty arrest.
No more than other nations' law enforcement organizations who have numerous cold and unsolved cases in their files.
Long Island Serial Killer, Shannan Gilbert, Jimmy Hoffa, and Jon-Benet Ramsey are just a few cases that come to mind.
For all we know, LE has solved the case, only waiting for further evidence to lay charges and go to trial.
There is no statute of limitations on this case, so the primary objective is a successful prosecution, not a hasty arrest.
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idk my first reaction was ( something is very fishy about this initial non invistigation..I even read the head detective hadnt been to the crime scene !!!) ..is it a cover up.. prejudice in dealing with the very rich ? or just mishandeling ..we can only guess
i havent really researched the cases you mentioned ..ill look them up
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Not only that but a few days after the murders the estate filed a new lawsuit for more than the $300,000+ they won in court cases.
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Death does not extinguish a debt.
A deceased person’s estate is all their assets and liabilities, with this being an asset.
In somewhat related news.
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July 6 2023
''Officers said The Baycrest Centre had several art pieces on display outdoors for an event.
According to police, the art pieces were in glass display cases.''
''Officers said the glass displays were smashed, and two unique art pieces were stolen.''
According to police, the art pieces were in glass display cases.
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''The Shermans’ exceptional kindness and generosity helped add life to years for the many people touched by the impact of their contributions.
Baycrest extends its sincerest condolences to the entire family of Barry and Honey Sherman.''
Police investigating after 2 art pieces stolen in Toronto - Toronto | Globalnews.ca
Toronto police said on May 22, officers received a report that art had been stolen from the Robertson Crescent and Queen's Quay area.
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''Officers said The Baycrest Centre had several art pieces on display outdoors for an event.
According to police, the art pieces were in glass display cases.''
''Officers said the glass displays were smashed, and two unique art pieces were stolen.''
According to police, the art pieces were in glass display cases.
Baycrest mourns the loss of two of its visionary leaders, Barry and Honey Sherman
Baycrest is a research and teaching hospital for the elderly in the North York district of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. It is fully affiliated with the University of Toronto.
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Baycrest extends its sincerest condolences to the entire family of Barry and Honey Sherman.''
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They were required to pay the estate, but KD said the heirs didn’t pursue the retrieving the debt. (He wrote that in one of his Q&As.) KD said something to the effect of him not having financial means.
Ya know- it seems to me that it was a loan in name, tongue and cheek, kinda, sort of...
Was it reasonable for Barry to assume or expect that the Winters boys would have the financial means to pay back millions, if/when he may have decided to, at some future date call it? Having every cent accounted for and signed on in its own right, sure did give Barry the right to reel the boys in to court. See how they like dem apples.
I have no doubt the criticism of the police is viable but these things are harder to crack in real life f than they were on Columbo where very few cases could ever have been made. The killer(s) we’re good and lucky.
A bit off topic, but still . . . When my late father was fairly young (8? 9? 10?) he boldly announced a day or two before Xmas that he didn't believe in Father Christmas any more. His stepmother said "Well, in that case, you won't be getting any Christmas presents, will you?" So come Xmas morning there was nothing for him, while his 2 younger half-sisters had plenty to open. Even though he was given his much later, in the afternoon, it still makes me sad and angry.
They were given many million.
He gave them many millions along with gifts.
I can not imagine handing over houses etc to people who had not proven to be responsible individuals.
Had he not held on to the homes in some way, simply giving them as gifts with out stipulations, they would have lost the homes anyway.
There isn’t a doubt in my mind that had they worked hard and were living healthy happy lives BS would have removed the stipulations.
He was trying to protect them by making sure they didn’t just blow everything he gave them.
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This article goes into the litigation that was taking place shortly after the funeral.
How Barry Sherman built his multibillion-dollar fortune
From July 2008, our feature on the life of Canada’s generic drug king
I noticed something though…
“Then, in 1958, Lou and Beverley adopted a baby boy, Tim, and, as sometimes happens, Beverley became pregnant. She gave birth to Jeffrey in 1960, Kerry in 1961 and Dana in 1962.”
Is that correct? I thought it was Paul?
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