CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #23

[dotr]

Could? Possibly - didn’t the TPS say somewhere that they have dozens of POI and none have been eliminated. Should? I don’t know. I read something somewhere that suggested Barry had an off-the-books investment with Katz and they didn’t agree about the amount that should be repaid to Barry. But I think I also read that they worked it out. I don’t remember where I read this — maybe here! MOO.

Not a direct answer, but.. fwiw

Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe was kept away from ties to offshore banking and to Edmonton Oilers’ owner

Rexall Drugs, brewing beer, making movies and more had at least tangential connections to Barry Sherman’s business empire. The police hadn’t been told about all of it.

www.thestar.com

Article was updated Dec 15, 2023

''One batch of documents police have never seen relates to one of Barry’s biggest investments — with Darryl Katz of Edmonton. Katz is well known as the owner of the Edmonton Oilers and, until 2016, Rexall Drugs.
Documents the Star has seen show Barry had a significant investment (more than 50 per cent) in the Katz drug empire. Katz sold Rexall to an American company, McKesson, in 2016 for about $3 billion, and Barry’s investment was paid back.
All information related to this transaction has been kept from police, according to sources and documents. The Sherman executors determined that it was all “privileged.”
Reached by the Star, Katz said he did not want to comment on the case, beyond saying that “Barry was a good friend of mine and I greatly appreciate the work you have done regarding the murders. The matter must be solved.”
Asked about Barry’s investment in the Katz companies, Katz said “the information you have been given about my business relationship with Barry is incorrect.” He did not specify what was incorrect. The Star has interviewed numerous leaders in the Canadian pharmaceutical world who all say it is an “open secret” that Barry Sherman invested with Katz — though this information has been kept from the public domain for years.''

 

[FPoulet]

For what it’s worth, I don’t see how much of this information could actually be subject to privilege. For example, “The presumption concerning solicitor-client privilege does not apply to documents or information in the possession of the client.” So IMO a lot of content related to Barry’s deal with Katz, Liss or Jonathan, for example, held in Barry’s own email files, would not be privileged except maybe emails to/from his lawyer re advice. MOO. See eg, Privilege Claims - Canada.ca

Why is TPS not fighting this?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

For what it’s worth, I don’t see how much of this information could actually be subject to privilege. For example, “The presumption concerning solicitor-client privilege does not apply to documents or information in the possession of the client.” So IMO a lot of content related to Barry’s deal with Katz, Liss or Jonathan, for example, held in Barry’s own email files, would not be privileged except maybe emails to/from his lawyer re advice. MOO. See eg, Privilege Claims - Canada.ca

Why is TPS not fighting this?

I agree!! It's so frustrating knowing that the executors get to decide what to hide. I wonder how it works when there is more than one executor, can they veto the others if they don't want something shown?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I agree!! It's so frustrating knowing that the executors get to decide what to hide. I wonder how it works when there is more than one executor, can they veto the others if they don't want something shown?

I think they vote. From page 250 of KD’s book:

 

[ldlager]

Why do you think Katz could, or should, be a possible POI in the case?

There was evidently a serious and rather heated dispute between the two about repayment of Katz outstanding debts To Sherman/BS. i Will keep other comments and observations regarding Mr Katz to myself. There are or should be many POIs in this case, and their relationship would lead to including him in this group. What rationale is there for withholding this info from LE?

 

[FPoulet]

i Will keep other comments and observations regarding Mr Katz to myself.

Please don’t, if they relate to the case!

This stuff going on during summer 2017 may be another version of KD’s “perfect storm”: JS, AP, Liss… all being cut off, while Honey and (possibly) Mary were on the cusp of receiving mega-money, while Barry was talking about giving away his wealth as part of the Giving Pledge. A fork in the road? One path going exactly the wrong way for several people. MOO.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I think they vote. From page 250 of KD’s book:
View attachment 468621

Am I reading this correctly? 4 trustees and no tiebreaker. I've never felt that JK could have had involvement. Same goes for AG. So if they voted one way and JS and BK voted the other, they decide what gets released? And fast forward a year later, JK is removed from Apotex. Was he also removed as a trustee? I can't remember anymore.

 

[dotr]

Am I reading this correctly? 4 trustees and no tiebreaker. I've never felt that JK could have had involvement. Same goes for AG. So if they voted one way and JS and BK voted the other, they decide what gets released? And fast forward a year later, JK is removed from Apotex. Was he also removed as a trustee? I can't remember anymore.

rbbm 2021

Brother vs. sister: Two of Barry and Honey Sherman’s children in a battle for control of the family empire

Son Jonathon and daughter Alexandra face off against each other in a struggle over control of the multibillion-dollar Sherman empire. Meanwhile, Sherman company boss Alex Glasenberg says his goal is to support Barry Sherman’s legacy.

www.thestar.com

''Deciding it was time for a change, with Watson by his side, Jonathon fired the then 78-year-old Kay and escorted him out the door. Jonathon says he did this for the good of the company and that he “recorded the entire episode.” He bristled at my description of the event in a 2018 article, saying it made it seem as if he had picked “him up by the lapels.” Watson’s name (now both CEO and president) would replace Kay’s on a plaque in the executive parking lot the next day, beside a makeshift shrine of memorial flowers and cards where Sherman had until recently parked his old Mustang.
By removing Kay, Jonathon had made a bold step towards controlling his father’s empire. In a late-December interview, Jonathon said his hope, in all of his actions, is that one day he will be able to bring in “completely independent people to manage my family’s business.”
But there have been stumbling blocks, both legally and within his family. Legally, Kay was still one of the four trustees of the Sherman estate, along with Jonathon, family holding company boss Alex Glasenberg, and Brad Krawczyk, the husband of Jonathon’s sister Alexandra. Jonathon said in firing Kay he had the “unanimous” support of fellow trustees Glasenberg and Krawczyk. Glasenberg, in his response to questions from the Star about Kay’s firing, said he was “disappointed that Mr. Kay was not able to stay on with the Apotex group.” Insiders say Kay was never invited to trustee meetings after he was fired. He later resigned as trustee.''

 

[newclues]

rbbm 2021

Brother vs. sister: Two of Barry and Honey Sherman’s children in a battle for control of the family empire

Son Jonathon and daughter Alexandra face off against each other in a struggle over control of the multibillion-dollar Sherman empire. Meanwhile, Sherman company boss Alex Glasenberg says his goal is to support Barry Sherman’s legacy.

www.thestar.com

''Deciding it was time for a change, with Watson by his side, Jonathon fired the then 78-year-old Kay and escorted him out the door. Jonathon says he did this for the good of the company and that he “recorded the entire episode.” He bristled at my description of the event in a 2018 article, saying it made it seem as if he had picked “him up by the lapels.” Watson’s name (now both CEO and president) would replace Kay’s on a plaque in the executive parking lot the next day, beside a makeshift shrine of memorial flowers and cards where Sherman had until recently parked his old Mustang.
By removing Kay, Jonathon had made a bold step towards controlling his father’s empire. In a late-December interview, Jonathon said his hope, in all of his actions, is that one day he will be able to bring in “completely independent people to manage my family’s business.”
But there have been stumbling blocks, both legally and within his family. Legally, Kay was still one of the four trustees of the Sherman estate, along with Jonathon, family holding company boss Alex Glasenberg, and Brad Krawczyk, the husband of Jonathon’s sister Alexandra. Jonathon said in firing Kay he had the “unanimous” support of fellow trustees Glasenberg and Krawczyk. Glasenberg, in his response to questions from the Star about Kay’s firing, said he was “disappointed that Mr. Kay was not able to stay on with the Apotex group.” Insiders say Kay was never invited to trustee meetings after he was fired. He later resigned as trustee.''

The question to ask is if BS was still alive would he have made all of these changes or would he have been against all of these changes?

 

[RHR]

Please don’t, if they relate to the case!

This stuff going on during summer 2017 may be another version of KD’s “perfect storm”: JS, AP, Liss… all being cut off, while Honey and (possibly) Mary were on the cusp of receiving mega-money, while Barry was talking about giving away his wealth as part of the Giving Pledge. A fork in the road? One path going exactly the wrong way for several people. MOO.

I have always found it interesting, in and around march 2017 BS changed the executors of his estate. He removed his daughters. He removed his two brother in laws and he brought on Brad K. This is no offence to BK but this was a multi billion dollar estate. Why would he put someone with no financial or business knowledge in charge of that kind of money ?
Did someone tell BS it would make Alex K happy that Barry was giving her husband such an important roll ?
Was this a plan in the works early in 2017?
Then Jack K is out, now there are three!
Could Brad K vote against his brother in law with AG If it came to voting for something? I think not.
Did BS agree to put BK in because it may stop the Heir Apparent from suggesting Adam Paulin be brought on?

 

[WINDSOR]

I think with discussions about the latest requests for information, claims of privilege and so on, I believe we are getting a little sidetracked. These requests that KD is writing about in the Toronto Star, are about a year old. So possibly not even relevant now.

Secondly, More crucial questions.
1) Is there video evidence of anybody arriving home with Honey or Barry that night?
2) Is there any unidentified DNA retrieved from the Old Colony home?
3) Since the public request, has the TPS learned anything about the Night Walker?
If by chance there was unknown DNA, could it be that of the Night Walker? Could the TPS use the DNA in a genealogical search, to narrow the parameters of their search?


It is easy to speculate about what Barry's and Honey's intentions were regarding their wealth, but it will lead us nowhere. That is because there seems to be no verifiable proof of their intentions after all these years.

If you consider Mr. Katz (Rexall) as a person of interest because he had business dealings with Barry, then there will be hundreds or even thousands of POI's who had business dealings with Barry. As well we have heard that with Barry, most business relationships were contentious, (even when family was involved).


Finally, Apotex is owned by an American hedge fund. None of the individuals involved at Sherfam and Apotex who limited the TPS access to files are involved with the company any longer. Would it be possible for TPS to try again and get the information they want?

 

[FromGermany1]

I think with discussions about the latest requests for information, claims of privilege and so on, I believe we are getting a little sidetracked. These requests that KD is writing about in the Toronto Star, are about a year old. So possibly not even relevant now.

Secondly, More crucial questions.
1) Is there video evidence of anybody arriving home with Honey or Barry that night?
2) Is there any unidentified DNA retrieved from the Old Colony home?
3) Since the public request, has the TPS learned anything about the Night Walker?
If by chance there was unknown DNA, could it be that of the Night Walker? Could the TPS use the DNA in a genealogical search, to narrow the parameters of their search?


It is easy to speculate about what Barry's and Honey's intentions were regarding their wealth, but it will lead us nowhere. That is because there seems to be no verifiable proof of their intentions after all these years.

If you consider Mr. Katz (Rexall) as a person of interest because he had business dealings with Barry, then there will be hundreds or even thousands of POI's who had business dealings with Barry. As well we have heard that with Barry, most business relationships were contentious, (even when family was involved).


Finally, Apotex is owned by an American hedge fund. None of the individuals involved at Sherfam and Apotex who limited the TPS access to files are involved with the company any longer. Would it be possible for TPS to try again and get the information they want?

Are loans to people like JD (for his home) counted as business deals? I think: yes, but I am not sure.

 

[FromGermany1]

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[ldlager]

I think with discussions about the latest requests for information, claims of privilege and so on, I believe we are getting a little sidetracked. These requests that KD is writing about in the Toronto Star, are about a year old. So possibly not even relevant now.

Secondly, More crucial questions.
1) Is there video evidence of anybody arriving home with Honey or Barry that night?
2) Is there any unidentified DNA retrieved from the Old Colony home?
3) Since the public request, has the TPS learned anything about the Night Walker?
If by chance there was unknown DNA, could it be that of the Night Walker? Could the TPS use the DNA in a genealogical search, to narrow the parameters of their search?


It is easy to speculate about what Barry's and Honey's intentions were regarding their wealth, but it will lead us nowhere. That is because there seems to be no verifiable proof of their intentions after all these years.

If you consider Mr. Katz (Rexall) as a person of interest because he had business dealings with Barry, then there will be hundreds or even thousands of POI's who had business dealings with Barry. As well we have heard that with Barry, most business relationships were contentious, (even when family was involved).


Finally, Apotex is owned by an American hedge fund. None of the individuals involved at Sherfam and Apotex who limited the TPS access to files are involved with the company any longer. Would it be possible for TPS to try again and get the information they want?

Do I believe DK murdered BS and HS? No. Do I believe DK should be interviewed by TPS regarding these murders? Absolutely! Do I believe DK has been interviewed by TPS? I doubt it.

 

[WINDSOR]

Are loans to people like JD (for his home) counted as business deals? I think: yes, but I am not sure.

It all depends.

For the lender, it is usually a business deal. Banks and other financial institutions are in the business of lending money for home mortgages. Many private lenders also treat it as a business.

I would think if Barry lent anybody money outside his immediate family, he would treat it as a business deal, and require legal documents.

However, there are always exceptions.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I think with discussions about the latest requests for information, claims of privilege and so on, I believe we are getting a little sidetracked. These requests that KD is writing about in the Toronto Star, are about a year old. So possibly not even relevant now.

Secondly, More crucial questions.
1) Is there video evidence of anybody arriving home with Honey or Barry that night?
2) Is there any unidentified DNA retrieved from the Old Colony home?
3) Since the public request, has the TPS learned anything about the Night Walker?
If by chance there was unknown DNA, could it be that of the Night Walker? Could the TPS use the DNA in a genealogical search, to narrow the parameters of their search?


It is easy to speculate about what Barry's and Honey's intentions were regarding their wealth, but it will lead us nowhere. That is because there seems to be no verifiable proof of their intentions after all these years.

If you consider Mr. Katz (Rexall) as a person of interest because he had business dealings with Barry, then there will be hundreds or even thousands of POI's who had business dealings with Barry. As well we have heard that with Barry, most business relationships were contentious, (even when family was involved).


Finally, Apotex is owned by an American hedge fund. None of the individuals involved at Sherfam and Apotex who limited the TPS access to files are involved with the company any longer. Would it be possible for TPS to try again and get the information they want?

I think you’re right that cctv footage and trace evidence is a central part to solving the case. I’d be interested to see all the cctv footage.

But I think they have to develop circumstantial evidence against a person in order to justify a warrant for DNA or fingerprints to find a match if they do have the killer or killers biological traces, imo.

The trustees and lawyers seemed reluctant to fully cooperate with the investigation. Did anyone decline or interfere with people giving DNA or fingerprint samples?

For what it’s worth, I don’t see how much of this information could actually be subject to privilege. For example, “The presumption concerning solicitor-client privilege does not apply to documents or information in the possession of the client.” So IMO a lot of content related to Barry’s deal with Katz, Liss or Jonathan, for example, held in Barry’s own email files, would not be privileged except maybe emails to/from his lawyer re advice. MOO. See eg, Privilege Claims - Canada.ca

Why is TPS not fighting this?

Dotr asked a question that has stayed with me: if the killer or killers were someone close to Barry and Honey would they want them to be punished?

Alex G. and Jack K. we’re in the loop when Barry was having disagreements by email with Jonathon. As executors who were there to carry out Barry’s last wishes, did they think Barry would want them to protect Jonathon’s information in the files?

 

[FromGermany1]

I think you’re right that cctv footage and trace evidence is a central part to solving the case. I’d be interested to see all the cctv footage.

But I think they have to develop circumstantial evidence against a person in order to justify a warrant for DNA or fingerprints to find a match if they do have the killer or killers biological traces, imo.

The trustees and lawyers seemed reluctant to fully cooperate with the investigation. Did anyone decline or interfere with people giving DNA or fingerprint samples?



Dotr asked a question that has stayed with me: if the killer or killers were someone close to Barry and Honey would they want them to be punished?

Alex G. and Jack K. we’re in the loop when Barry was having disagreements by email with Jonathon. As executors who were there to carry out Barry’s last wishes, did they think Barry would want them to protect Jonathon’s information in the files?

Interesting question.
Do you think, they would have waived punishment for the better reputation of the killer personally? Or for the better reputation of the business? Or for selfless motives, which would make them (HS+BS) nearly Saints?
Did AG and JK think like that? If, they had their own motives probably and not only in mind, which motives to pardon the double murder the two dead people woud have had. IMO I believe, you can't separate one motive from the other in detail.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Interesting question.
Do you think, they would have waived punishment for the better reputation of the killer personally? Or for the better reputation of the business? Or for selfless motives, which would make them (HS+BS) nearly Saints?
Did AG and JK think like that? If, they had their own motives probably and not only in mind, which motives to pardon the double murder the two dead people woud have had. IMO I believe, you can't separate one motive from the other in detail.

JK was fired by JS after butting heads with him constantly. JS also wanted to fire AG but hasn't been able to because his sisters won't allow it. I can't see either of them being so disloyal to both Barry and Honey, especially Barry.

 

[FPoulet]

JK was fired by JS after butting heads with him constantly. JS also wanted to fire AG but hasn't been able to because his sisters won't allow it. I can't see either of them being so disloyal to both Barry and Honey, especially Barry.

I agree - I would like to think that if they have information relating to the crime they would come forward in an attempt to solve the murder. Is it possible that this could somehow conflict with their duties as trustees? I don’t know. But I don’t see Honey standing by in theory to protect a child that murdered her and Barry. MOO.

 

[newclues]

rbbm 2021

Brother vs. sister: Two of Barry and Honey Sherman’s children in a battle for control of the family empire

Son Jonathon and daughter Alexandra face off against each other in a struggle over control of the multibillion-dollar Sherman empire. Meanwhile, Sherman company boss Alex Glasenberg says his goal is to support Barry Sherman’s legacy.

www.thestar.com

''Deciding it was time for a change, with Watson by his side, Jonathon fired the then 78-year-old Kay and escorted him out the door. Jonathon says he did this for the good of the company and that he “recorded the entire episode.” He bristled at my description of the event in a 2018 article, saying it made it seem as if he had picked “him up by the lapels.” Watson’s name (now both CEO and president) would replace Kay’s on a plaque in the executive parking lot the next day, beside a makeshift shrine of memorial flowers and cards where Sherman had until recently parked his old Mustang.
By removing Kay, Jonathon had made a bold step towards controlling his father’s empire. In a late-December interview, Jonathon said his hope, in all of his actions, is that one day he will be able to bring in “completely independent people to manage my family’s business.”
But there have been stumbling blocks, both legally and within his family. Legally, Kay was still one of the four trustees of the Sherman estate, along with Jonathon, family holding company boss Alex Glasenberg, and Brad Krawczyk, the husband of Jonathon’s sister Alexandra. Jonathon said in firing Kay he had the “unanimous” support of fellow trustees Glasenberg and Krawczyk. Glasenberg, in his response to questions from the Star about Kay’s firing, said he was “disappointed that Mr. Kay was not able to stay on with the Apotex group.” Insiders say Kay was never invited to trustee meetings after he was fired. He later resigned as trustee.''

According to Jonathon, Kay was “micromanaging” Apotex. Also, Kay was insisting on continuing Barry’s plan to invest $50 million to expand a Florida drug factory Barry had purchased not long before he died. Jonathon disliked Kay’s regular lunches with Frank D’Angelo, a Toronto entrepreneur Barry had backed for more than a decade. It also perturbed Jonathon that Kay had moved into his father’s office (after the police tape came down in early 2018).

On the issue of Sherfam/Apotex business decisions, Jonathon has had some successes. Among them, in early 2019, Apotex sold the Florida drug plant Barry Sherman had purchased in 2017, hoping to build a U.S. manufacturing plant, mainly for opioid-based painkillers that have to be made in the U.S. and cannot be imported from Canada. Jonathon said he disagreed with Jack Kay’s insistence that more money be invested. A Florida business journal article said the plant was sold at a loss of $12 million to Apotex.