CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[FromGermany1]

Honey was a no-show for charity meetings on the 12th and 14th.

I missed the meeting on the 14th?

 

[FromGermany1]

Barry Sherman's cousin says he knows why his murder remains unsolved
Barry Sherman's cousin says he knows why his murder remains unsolved

I have no problem understanding this point of view.

 

[Charlot123]

Barry Sherman's cousin says he knows why his murder remains unsolved
Barry Sherman's cousin says he knows why his murder remains unsolved

From what I have read, Honey was much stronger than Barry and in a better physical shape. So I doubt he’d have the stamina.

I remember what another poster here once said; is it that implausible that Barry hired someone to deal with Honey, but the person, having received the money and thinking Barry would be an unpredictable liability, killed both instead?

What I once heard from an older family therapist, stuck in my head. “See, I have worked in this business for 50 years. And during this time, I remember only six couples where a man would ask for a divorce without already having another woman lined up. Women do divorce without an affair. Men, hardly.” So I would apply the same reasoning to murder. I don’t think that Barry hiring someone to kill Honey and the person killing both instead is realistic, unless Barry had another woman on the side, wanted out of the marriage but didn’t want to split the money with Honey. This scenario would change everything.

What if he did have someone? Barry was getting older, he was impulsive, so could he have found another woman? And Honey, being emotionally more aware than Barry, found evidence? She missed two charity meetings. There might have been a reason for it. To add, guys often don’t travel far to find a woman. Someone close to home or work. Is it a plausible scenario?

I would not discount it.

But in the long run, I guess it was money. In any form. Anyone concerned about the possibility of the will being changed, or interested in Barry leaving Apotex, or frustrated with financial losses, anyone… My bet is on the money.

Barry’s cousins didn’t get anything from his death. They had full reasons to intensely dislike him, and I feel it was for a reason, but it is the first group I’d cross off the list.

Many others still stay. It’s another thing that JMO, the case will never be solved because there is this personal aspect of Barry, and solving the case will not change anything in anyone’s financial situation.

 

[Charlot123]

Honey was a no-show for charity meetings on the 12th and 14th.

The 12th is telling. Do we know the time of the charity meeting?

 

[Charlot123]

I missed the meeting on the 14th?

So Honey was preoccupied with something but planned the 14th to be a usual day.

 

[Charlot123]

Had Honey to be absent from Old Colony, while a hitman would have taken care of her husband? Didn't she get to be absent like she planned, was unfortunately at home and became also a victim of the hitman, because BS pleaded for it? Did BS discuss the double murder (instead of single murder of himself) with the killer before? Did BS explain to the killer, how problematic his wife's survival would be for their 4 children and the business?

Barry was a chemist and a pharmacist. He could well have OD’ed at work or home. I don’t think he’d hire a hitman to kill himself. If he was the target but Honey unfortunately showed up first, she’d be eliminated as the witness.

 

[Danaya]

Barry Sherman's cousin says he knows why his murder remains unsolved
Barry Sherman's cousin says he knows why his murder remains unsolved

Kerry, if you were to guess who was responsible for this if it was a double homicide, who do you think had the motive? If you had to push the murder suicide theory to the side, what would you think happened?

 

[Charlot123]

Well it’s convenient for TPS to say that- after all, they didn’t find the earring! And of all the houses in Toronto, the earring just happens to show up at the Sherman murder scene. Ok.

The earring looks garish and large. It resembles Honey’s style. I believe that Honey’s attractive lied in her being full of life, humorous and warm. Take her philanthropic activity. MOO, being larger than life, Honey could pull off any look.

I feel that the earring could very well belong to her. Alternatively, it could be a woman who Barry fell attracted to. If this is a possibility, she’d have to be of Honey type in personality.

 

[Charlot123]

UPDATE:
I am going to list the things that I consider unusual activities that some people claim, occurred around the time of the deaths.

1. Honey misses a charity meeting.
2. Barry says he has to go home early for some reason.
3. Honey wants to visit her sister, but does not.
4. Jon takes a picture of his hand showing a time stamp.
5. Two SUV's and four men arrive next door.
6. Sherman's murdered by strangulation, ligatures removed
7. Bodies staged in unique way.
8. Lawyer calls Sherman home around 9:00pm, no answer.
9. NW is seen around the house, and declared a suspect.
10. Man and vehicle show up at home next day, likely LE, following up on a 911 call.

Further events mentioned.
11. Jonathon was abroad in Japan and returned late Tuesday evening, one day before the murders.
12. The Sherman's' were scheduled to leave separately for Florida the following week.

I am not sure if the 'found earring' fits on this list. Could have been dropped weeks before, and maybe it did not belong to Honey.


Chariot123 surmised "Honey didn't want to stay at her house for at least part of that evening. From 5 to 8 pm, maybe? Or, 5-9?"

Was there a real estate showing scheduled at those times? Could be a reason to stay away.

Would a real estate show be captured on the camera?

 

[fadedglitter]

There’s no evidence of a real estate showing on the night of the murders.

 

[WINDSOR]

There’s no evidence of a real estate showing on the night of the murders.

If there was no showing the night of the murders, maybe Honey's actions before arriving home that evening were typical and normal.

Kerry, still believes that Barry killed Honey and then himself. Even though there is evidence that does not support this theory.

The biggest reason I do not believe this, is the following.

1) There is no evidence that Barry had a mistress, and wanted to leave Honey for her.

2) Barry had no history of physical violence against Honey, usual when a man slays his wife, there is prior history of physical abuse.

3) Regardless of the fact, that some believe Barry had a somebody assist him in killing Honey and himself, what purpose would Barry achieve by this?

4) To me the most crucial thing is, if you plan to kill your wife, would you buy a building lot, hire architects and have several meetings with them to plan a new home, list your current house for sale, have showings and do this with a spouse you are going to kill?

If an assistant killer was involved, he would have to be one evil person, to strangle Honey, then wait for Barry to come home and then strangle him. Then hang the bodies in the pool room. Where would Barry find such a person?

If the assistant was the NW, which fits the scenario, the NW could be charged with murder. What sort of compensation would the NW demand, and how would Barry have paid him?

MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

That’s just the “hit man” theory, with the twist being that Barry was the one who hired the NW. It’s implausible to me but the answers to your questions would be the same contorted ones used by everyone who thinks it was a hit man.

 

[Charlot123]

If there was no showing the night of the murders, maybe Honey's actions before arriving home that evening were typical and normal.

Kerry, still believes that Barry killed Honey and then himself. Even though there is evidence that does not support this theory.

The biggest reason I do not believe this, is the following.

1) There is no evidence that Barry had a mistress, and wanted to leave Honey for her.

2) Barry had no history of physical violence against Honey, usual when a man slays his wife, there is prior history of physical abuse.

3) Regardless of the fact, that some believe Barry had a somebody assist him in killing Honey and himself, what purpose would Barry achieve by this?

4) To me the most crucial thing is, if you plan to kill your wife, would you buy a building lot, hire architects and have several meetings with them to plan a new home, list your current house for sale, have showings and do this with a spouse you are going to kill?

If an assistant killer was involved, he would have to be one evil person, to strangle Honey, then wait for Barry to come home and then strangle him. Then hang the bodies in the pool room. Where would Barry find such a person?

If the assistant was the NW, which fits the scenario, the NW could be charged with murder. What sort of compensation would the NW demand, and how would Barry have paid him?

MOO

There is no evidence that Barry had a mistress. I guess things get known in the course of investigations (although one should never discount Schwarzenegger’s or Affleck’s type of affairs, either. They sometimes fly under a radar.) But let us assume, no.

About the rest, even if their relationship was loud and seemingly angry, maybe they were perfectly fine with it? People are different.

I don’t think he killed her. I think he married her because they were so different and that it attracted him, in fact.

 

[Charlot123]

That’s just the “hit man” theory, with the twist being that Barry was the one who hired the NW. It’s implausible to me but the answers to your questions would be the same contorted ones used by everyone who thinks it was a hit man.

But considering that someone killed them, and I don’t think it was Barry, was there a hit man?

Or was it someone well-known whose presence in the house be accepted?

 

[fadedglitter]

Or not well known, who was not accepted in the house, and killed them without being hired to do so.

 

[Charlot123]

Or not well known, who was not accepted in the house, and killed them without being hired to do so.

This is a question. How trusting were they? People are very different in whom they accept

 

[fadedglitter]

People who knew them immediately dismissed the “no forced entry” observation as meaningless, saying both Shermans would have opened their doors to anyone who knocked.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

I lean toward this explanation: the killer planned to kill Honey and had her body in place, ineptly staged as a suicide, when Barry came home and the killer panicked.

I had similar lines of thoughts, if HS was target and BS came home at an earlier hour than normal and the murderer(s) had not finished setting up the scene of

BS murdering HS.

If HS already staged did they really have no choice but to fireman carry him over HS? They could have slid HS over and hooked up BS?

 

[Trino]

Becoming easily angered is a part of dementia, and I can vouch for that with a relative's experience. B had multiple financial problems, while H wanted to spend to build another mansion. Lots of reasons for him, but no financial reason for others.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Becoming easily angered is a part of dementia, and I can vouch for that with a relative's experience. B had multiple financial problems, while H wanted to spend to build another mansion. Lots of reasons for him, but no financial reason for others.

Barry didn’t have dementia, and no one close to him has said he had any anger issues.