CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[Cedars]

It’s a red herring, lots of people put the woman first.

An assertion like that should be supported by evidence, but that’s not possible in this situation.

I agree, it's a social convention in traditional marriages, the husband earns the money/status, but the wife handles relationships.

"the wife’s name is ALWAYS first when using first names: “Jane and John Doe”.... In social importance, the woman is always first, then males, then children. Traditionally, the man’s first and surnames are never separated. "

Etiquette 101: Whose name should be first, the husband’s or the wife’s?

My interest in “paper etiquette” started in college as I began more frequent correspondence with family and friends and began my professional career. You have to know who to address and…

marriedwithstyle.com

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

I found only the "Sherman Campus", neither Honey nor Barry mentioned within the name of the foundation. Maybe, it is the short form and the original name is indeed "Honey and Barry S.", Idk.

My thoughts were: IF perhaps Alex had her say re the foundation and the naming, I can imagine, that she chose both their names and for etiquette the female name of her mother first. MOO

Honey was into philanthropy. I think it was her personality and became her face, if you wish. It doesn’t matter who made the money; it was Honey who chose to donate them to philanthropic and political causes. It is a great quality, and this is, essentially, how the Shermans go down in history. Not Barry with his amazing brain, workaholism, and litigiousness. (JMO - tbh, he didn’t treat his cousins right; they were double orphans). But Honey’s sincere drive for philanthropy, historically, overweights Barry’s personality. So, to me, it seems only fit that Honey’s name is the first one.

Objectively: with donors, they would be usually listed as “Mrs. and Mr. Sherman”, so Honey being mentioned first is expected.

@Kerry Winter - on a human level, I understand how it all might feel to you. I can only express my compassion.

 

[Kerry Winter]

The family of Barry and Honey Sherman, a billionaire couple found dead in their Toronto home in December 2017, had their home demolished in May 2019. The North York Community Council approved the request, citing the home's association with bad memories and a stigma attached to the deaths.

Kinda strange: vicious double murder and they destroy the house within 16 months.

 

[dotr]

Maybe just as well that the S house was torn down, imo.
2005

Canadian city demolishes Bernardo house of horror

It was the typical house next door, before it became Canada's house of horrors.

www.tampabay.com

''The house has been abandoned since Bernardo's arrest in February 1993. The ground-floor windows were boarded up after being shattered by vandals. Graffiti was spray-painted on the pink clapboard: "Burn in hell." "One day, Paul, you'll pay."
...
''Neighbors grew disgusted by a steady stream of curiosity-seekers who came to gawk at the house where Canada's mostly widely publicized sex crimes had occurred. After a few bureaucratic hitches, local authorities finally completed arrangements for the demolition.''

 

[MerlinFalcon]

The family of Barry and Honey Sherman, a billionaire couple found dead in their Toronto home in December 2017, had their home demolished in May 2019. The North York Community Council approved the request, citing the home's association with bad memories and a stigma attached to the deaths.

Kinda strange: vicious double murder and they destroy the house within 16 months.

Would you want to live in your parents’ house that they were murdered in? Selling it would be hard at the best of times due to the price point and throw in that they were murdered there? Tearing it down was the only solution IMO.

 

[JayFriend]

Ann Brocklehurst @courthousestories Livestream

Ann Brocklehurst | Substack

Journalist, author and occasional private investigator

substack.com

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Ann Brocklehurst @courthousestories Livestream

Ann Brocklehurst | Substack

Journalist, author and occasional private investigator

substack.com

That’s an important revelation, imo:
an Apotex employee was asked to give a DNA sample within days of the crime.

I’ve only listened to the clip because my reception is bad where I am atm. Was it a male employee?

Real estate agent Stern and Honey’s friends etc. were surprised that the police didn’t ask for DNA samples immediately. I noticed that they were all female. Maybe the police were looking for a male DNA profile, or profiles (?) Or specific ethnicity?

 

[fadedglitter]

Yes, a male employee.

This is an important reminder that there is a LOT we do not know.

 

[WINDSOR]

The family of Barry and Honey Sherman, a billionaire couple found dead in their Toronto home in December 2017, had their home demolished in May 2019. The North York Community Council approved the request, citing the home's association with bad memories and a stigma attached to the deaths.

Kinda strange: vicious double murder and they destroy the house within 16 months.

Not that strange at all. As mentioned above, the residence that Bernardo and Homolka committed their crimes was leveled.

Canada's Bernardo murder home torn down - UPI Archives

The upscale home in which convicted killer Paul Bernardo and his former wife Karla Homolka raped and murdered two Ontario schoolgirls has been torn down...

www.upi.com

Here are some more:

Murder homes so horrific they were demolished

Some of America’s most notorious murders happened in private homes. Many were demolished – some have become tourist attractions, writes Andrea Cavallier

www.independent.co.uk

 

[ldlager]

That’s an important revelation, imo:
an Apotex employee was asked to give a DNA sample within days of the crime.

I’ve only listened to the clip because my reception is bad where I am atm. Was it a male employee?

Real estate agent Stern and Honey’s friends etc. were surprised that the police didn’t ask for DNA samples immediately. I noticed that they were all female. Maybe the police were looking for a male DNA profile, or profiles (?) Or specific ethnicity?

I have to say this reporting surprises me. I know two individuals who were members of executive management of Apotex at the time of the murders. We discuss this case generally from time to time, although there is rarely ever something new to discuss. I can tell you that neither individual (both white males) has ever indicated to me that they provided a DNA sample, nor has either indicated to me they are aware of anyone at Apotex having been asked to provide such a sample. I believe they would have told me if they were aware of this during the course of talking about the case in the seven years since the murders.
One of the two people in question was never even interviewed by LE (unbelievable in my view given their close relationship to BS and their senior position at Apotex). But it is what it is, and I know if he felt he had something to add to what he thinks LE already knows he would have reached out to them.

 

[WINDSOR]

I have to say this reporting surprises me. I know two individuals who were members of executive management of Apotex at the time of the murders. We discuss this case generally from time to time, although there is rarely ever something new to discuss. I can tell you that neither individual (both white males) has ever indicated to me that they provided a DNA sample, nor has either indicated to me they are aware of anyone at Apotex having been asked to provide such a sample. I believe they would have told me if they were aware of this during the course of talking about the case in the seven years since the murders.
One of the two people in question was never even interviewed by LE (unbelievable in my view given their close relationship to BS and their senior position at Apotex). But it is what it is, and I know if he felt he had something to add to what he thinks LE already knows he would have reached out to them.

This is interesting. Do we have any idea how many people were asked by the TPS for DNA samples in this case? Was it ten people or a hundred or even more?

The fact they were testing for DNA, implies the TPS found some unknown DNA in the house. Most likely not related to the Sherman family genetic tree, or the house staff members'.

An innocent guest of the Sherman's could have left the DNA previously, so we cannot assume the TPS has found the killer(s) DNA.

I wonder if the unknown DNA points to a certain gender, ethnicity, or race? Even if it does, again it could be of a totally innocent person.

 

[fadedglitter]

The employee did not know how many others were asked for DNA.

To my knowledge this is the first time anyone has said they were tested right away. Much of the DNA-related discussion has been speculation that there was no DNA at the scene (this has always seemed highly implausible to me). KD’s latest round of podcast episodes included his theory that two killers inside the home left no forensic traces.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I have to say this reporting surprises me. I know two individuals who were members of executive management of Apotex at the time of the murders. We discuss this case generally from time to time, although there is rarely ever something new to discuss. I can tell you that neither individual (both white males) has ever indicated to me that they provided a DNA sample, nor has either indicated to me they are aware of anyone at Apotex having been asked to provide such a sample. I believe they would have told me if they were aware of this during the course of talking about the case in the seven years since the murders.
One of the two people in question was never even interviewed by LE (unbelievable in my view given their close relationship to BS and their senior position at Apotex). But it is what it is, and I know if he felt he had something to add to what he thinks LE already knows he would have reached out to them.

Maybe only Jonathon or a top executive knew about it.

This is the relevant part from Ann Brocklehurst’s video on Substack:

“And that is indeed backed up by the documentation we've seen, the affidavit. But at the same time, they were collecting DNA. And this person who I interviewed told me that the DNA was taken in a room at Apotex. It was a cheek swab. And he believed that they were also taking DNA from other people there.

But the way the police had it set up is no one saw who else was going into a room to have their DNA taken. So does this mean for sure that they have usable DNA in this case? No, but it certainly suggests that they might have. So that is my little DNA scoop that I got.”

 

[ldlager]

This is interesting. Do we have any idea how many people were asked by the TPS for DNA samples in this case? Was it ten people or a hundred or even more?

The fact they were testing for DNA, implies the TPS found some unknown DNA in the house. Most likely not related to the Sherman family genetic tree, or the house staff members'.

An innocent guest of the Sherman's could have left the DNA previously, so we cannot assume the TPS has found the killer(s) DNA.

I wonder if the unknown DNA points to a certain gender, ethnicity, or race? Even if it does, again it could be of a totally innocent person.

And yet evidently LE waited many weeks and even months to even contact people that were known to be in the house the day the bodies were discovered. So this report does not ring true to me.

 

[ldlager]

Maybe only Jonathon or a top executive knew about it.

This is the relevant part from Ann Brocklehurst’s video on Substack:

“And that is indeed backed up by the documentation we've seen, the affidavit. But at the same time, they were collecting DNA. And this person who I interviewed told me that the DNA was taken in a room at Apotex. It was a cheek swab. And he believed that they were also taking DNA from other people there.

But the way the police had it set up is no one saw who else was going into a room to have their DNA taken. So does this mean for sure that they have usable DNA in this case? No, but it certainly suggests that they might have. So that is my little DNA scoop that I got.”

I have to think after 7 years it would be common knowledge amongst executives. And my acquaintances would definitely fit in that category. But who knows.

 

[dotr]

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/current-investigations/?q=sherman&y=&m=

• Current Homicide Investigations
  Homicide #64/2017
  
  
  
  Bernard (Barry) SHERMAN
  Homicide #65/2017
  
  
  
  Honey SHERMAN

 

[fadedglitter]

Dotr, is there something specific at that link we should be aware of, or are you posting it as a reminder?

 

[dotr]

Dotr, is there something specific at that link we should be aware of, or are you posting it as a reminder?

It popped up on google search quirk as a 5 days ago release, but it is not new, posting it anyway as a reminder, like you suggested.

 

[ldlager]

It popped up on google search quirk as a 5 days ago release, but it is not new, posting it anyway as a reminder, like you suggested.

Interesting to note that HS is identified as homicide #65 and BS as homicide #64. Yet we have been led to believe thatHS was murdered before BS.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/current-investigations/?q=sherman&y=&m=

• Current Homicide Investigations
  Homicide #64/2017
  View attachment 583047
  Bernard (Barry) SHERMAN
  Homicide #65/2017
  View attachment 583048
  Honey SHERMAN

I understand that the homicide ID# is not based on time of death, it is the assignment of a case number to a death, normally the intake, investigation start, is assigned the next case # in that year, they have BS before HS,this surprises me, might mean zilch but IMO it infers the coroner or lead detective started/created BS case file before they started HS file.

When were these ID # assigned, before or after the 2nd autopsy. The second is what gave evidence BS was a victim and maybe not a suspect.

I believe it is only homicides assigned a number not deaths.

So many things do not go with the timeframe or timelines we knew from media, podcasts and article’s information.

At what point will LE figure this case out? I feel we know so very little, like the old game of telephone, by the time the initial 5 worded phrase about blue birds gets to the end of the circle, - now the phrase is 8 words and about coloured bonnets on boys.

So frustrating