The other thing that bothered me and was previously mentioned, is if the point of leaving the bodies in the most remote part of the house was to delay discovery, then why not put the bodies under the tarp covering the pool?
Actually i recall the discussion here around observations that appeared to show that one of the bodies appeared to be “bent” or even sort of “sitting up” a bit in the body bag as it was being wheeled out of the house. so it would appear that possibly at Least one of the bodies wasn’t “flat” when it was removed.
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Man DOTR you are amazingSome discussion here..
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #1
Re post. http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/barry-and-honey-sherman-memorial-and-funeral-watch-live/ Barry and Honey Sherman memorial and funeral: Watch live The memorial for the couple, who died under mysterious...
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More clues about the mysterious deaths of a Toronto billionaire couple have emerged
Billionaire Barry Sherman and his wife were found hanged by their indoor pool in December with no evidence of forced entry.
One of two bodies found inside the home of Barry and Honey Sherman is...
One of two bodies found inside the home of Barry and Honey Sherman is removed by Coroner's office staff.www.gettyimages.ca
Thank you, but truly the credit goes to Ms. Googlelot!
Do we have factual information or just media article / books/ reports that it was actually zip ties. Re-reading many of these articles the first ones only stated "bound or tied" not that zip ties were used specifically. Formal details released I only see the words ligature again not zip or cable ties?
That is very interesting, could decomposing bodies change the PH in the pool water?
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I am not an expert in this area and IMO I really do not know if we have a true depiction of how they were found. The original reports with the coats still on the bodies and slid down the arms like a straight jacket to immobilize the arms and possible movements was the topic for a while.
Now a hand drawn depiction based on someone looking at crime scene photos shows hands perfectly beside the bodies palms up. Not as described and published to the public in the first week after discovery.
When this new drawing/report came out and omitted the coats and made no mention of why originally the reports were they were found in them was not discussed left me feeling that we have been fed details that are untrue or not of fact. The drawing IMO was set out to show that they were displayed like the statues. It was KD that made this statement and wrote that they looked like the statues, not police or the private investigators.
TORONTO -- The bodies of Barry and Honey Sherman were in a similar pose to a pair of life-sized statues displayed in the billionaire couple’s basement, according to a report by Toronto Star chief investigative reporter Kevin Donovan.
As for the connection between the statues and the bodies, Donovan said it’s unclear if police have come to any conclusions about the apparent similarities.
“I have no idea what the police or the private investigators have come up with related to these photos,” he said. “I’ve asked the police and they’ve said they can’t comment on anything in an active and ongoing investigation.”
Murdered billionaire couple posed like 'creepy' life-sized figurines found in home: report
The bodies of Barry and Honey Sherman were in a similar pose to a pair of life-sized statues displayed in the billionaire couple’s basement, according to an investigation by the Toronto Star newspaper.www.ctvnews.ca
I remind myself this is KD's story that he is surmising information he uncovers and trying to relate any subject matter to the case. KD can only go with what information he can uncover, I assume someone early on told him about the coats or lack there of, but to date I have not seen anyone come out and say they were not found in their winter coats.
Makes me wonder has KD been instructed by LE to no longer talk about the coats? Are LE and KD working together more than we know, is KD feeding specific details to the public so LE can move forward?
"they called for a “thorough, intensive and objective criminal investigation,” urging the media to refrain from reporting until the investigation is complete."
Family of billionaire Canadian Jewish couple refutes murder-suicide claims
'Shocked' children of Barry and Honey Sherman 'think it's irresponsible that police sources have reportedly advised the media of a theory' they firmly rejectwww.timesofisrael.com
When I look back at the pictures of the bodies being removed from the home on the gurney's they look like they could have a winter coat on, or the bodies were bloated as the middle of the bodies seemed to be very large compared to the feet.
Deaths of Billionaire Toronto Couple Were Homicides, Police Say (Published 2018)
Toronto authorities have ruled out murder-suicide, but they have no suspects yet in the mysterious killings.www.nytimes.com
The longer this goes without an arrest I am really not sure if we can decipher if any of the news paper articles are completely accurate or give us the facts we could use to actually assist with pertinent information and public sleuthing to assist LE with information.
If it is this frustrating for us, I cannot fathom being a family member.
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I’m curious about the coats as well. The information about what they were wearing has evolved over time, but LE hasn’t officially confirmed what KD has found.
Greenspan only mentioned Barry’s coat in his press conference:
(October, 2018)
“Greenspan offered some details about how the Shermans were found, noting that ligatures were wrapped around their necks and then around the pool railing, which forced them into an upright position. Barry's legs were outstretched, with one crossed over another. He was also still wearing his glasses, and the sleeves of his jacket were pulled behind him, which would have restricted the use of his arms.”
October, 2019:
(Q) “…Barry and Honey Sherman were found with their coats pulled back behind them, which would immobilize arm movements…”
A: I can’t speak for Toronto police. But, as I understand it, the coats were pulled down but not enough to immobilize them.”
Who killed Barry and Honey Sherman? A new book offers fascinating insights. - Macleans.ca
Kevin Donovan, the chief investigative reporter at the Toronto Star, talks about the unique investigation, the family and why he believes the case will be solved
(^^The above is a great non-paywalled interview between the late Anne Kingston and Kevin Donovan, btw).
February, 2022:
“…But to this day, police refuse to release images of Barry and Honey as they left Apotex to go home that evening. Police say they do not want anyone to know what the Shermans were wearing because they want any future “witnesses” to be untainted by information in the public domain. Yim says one day a “witness” might come forward and say they saw one of the Shermans that night and police want to compare their description to what the Shermans were wearing to determine if the witness actually saw them.
I countered that it is generally known they were wearing dark coats. (Honey had a blue down vest on under her coat.) Besides, I said, the quality of the photos of the builders in the Apotex lobby is so poor that you can make out their faces but not much else.”
Murder, missteps and the ‘elephant in the room’ in the Barry and Honey Sherman case
Half of the massive Toronto police search warrant file is still blacked out. Here’s what we know about what’s missing as the Star continues its quest to hold police accountable.www.thestar.com
June, 2022:
“A person walking in from the lone entry door would have seen Honey at the far end of the pool (40 feet away). Honey was in profile, the left side of her body the first part visible. She is fully dressed, wearing dark pants, a blouse and a blue vest. Her rear end is on the floor, her legs stretched out in front. Her shoes, simple black slip-ons (she had perpetually sore feet and liked a comfortable shoe), are almost touching the wall that faces the pool. Police, in their interviews with Sherman family and friends, asked if it was their mother’s practice to take her shoes off when she came home. The children were uncertain.”
The Star saw the Sherman crime-scene and autopsy photos. How could a pathologist and police call it a murder-suicide?
Photos, notes raise new questions about how investigators made their mistaken determination in the Barry and Honey Sherman case.www.thestar.com
Adding to the above, the housekeeper said Honey had the habit of taking off her coat and hanging on the back of a chair in the kitchen area. But I haven’t read anything about her finding her coat on December 15th.
Makes me wonder was the alarm disabled when HS arrived home? if she entered with no beeps from the alarm system? Would she have wondered why she did not need to enter her code and would she proceed to take off her coat and outdoor shoes and enter the home?
