Canada - Bruce McArthur charged in murders of six men, Toronto, 2010-2017

[Grey-St]

I listened several times to the question and answer about “DNA profiles of at least two of those men”. The question (which was exceedingly difficult to hear) was about DNA profiles for the 3 men from Project Houston. Not the 5 murder charges.

I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that they may not (yet) have Skanda’s DNA on file (he has no family members in Canada).

Thank you for looking into that further! I'm back to my original theory, I think.

 

[Grey-St]

What is the trigger where LE are able to get DNA info on missing persons? Can family give DNA samples voluntarily without the persons consent? When can they legally give it? When can LE run DNA analysis? I imagine it is based on a warrant process. I hope that after this is sorted out an Official Inquest is initiated to look at ways to fast track evidence being provided to LE in investigations linked to possible serial killings. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems that DNA analysis is being delayed by the legal process not the analysis process. If not, perhaps we need to invest in the technology we need to solve these crimes!

I would assume family can simply volunteer DNA. I don't believe they need a warrant to run it as it's theirs, not the victims, and they would have their consent in that case.

 

[LadyL]

yes I read her post
doesn't help me understand what she was trying to infer though
or what you are implying either
obviously I missed some info somehwhere

I believe dotr stated s/he was speculating. FWIW, he doesn't look as I expected either. IMO

Its fine dotr, thank you for posting the link.

I do think the family must be in shock, imagine finding out your ex, parent etc is an alleged serial murderer!

 

[BeKind_BeWell]

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2018/02/08/bruce-mcarthur-alleged-serial-killer-update.html

Those are yellow biohazard bags. This evidence was removed today.

This case is so unbelievably horrifying. Sorry in advance if already discussed, I have not read through all of the recent threads.

Re: biohazard bags, inside the house, burial of remains? . I doubt it had a dirt basement? What the h*ll did he get up to in there? He did stuff when they were away? The residents said a couple weeks ago in a Toronto Star article they would return and not be forced out by BA's crimes. Then they added, that was if it was only relegated to the planters. You could not pay me to live there again.

 

[BeKind_BeWell]

I would assume family can simply volunteer DNA. I don't believe they need a warrant to run it as it's theirs, not the victims, and they would have their consent in that case.

Yes, in the original press conference announcing they had charged McArthur, Det.-Sgt. Insinga stated if someone believes their family member could be a victim, is still missing, first step is to come forward with details, DNA sample can be taken.

 

[Wondergirl]

This is so strange. How could they not at this point have DNA profiles established for all of the victims he's charged with? I could understand it being difficult for Dean, as maybe they couldn't track down his family?

This makes me wonder again what evidence they had to lay these charges? I actually assumed it had to have been DNA in the case of Dean, because he wasn't even reported missing, therefore they wouldn't have his photo. I thought maybe Dean had a DNA profile with TPS already, from another encounter perhaps?

Were the photos labeled with names? Did BM keep a list? I'd assume TPS would have to go on more than that. I'm back at square one.

I agree about it being strange, and you make some good points here.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Son of Bruce McArthur, the man charged with Gay Village murders, attends court in Oshawa on unrelated charges


Guess the courts don't see an alleged serial killer as a suitable surety. <insert sarcasm here> :facepalm:

From what we have learned so far about BM, I cannot help but think that he severely damaged his son in some horrific way, as his son has been deeply troubled and charged numerous times at least since the age of 11, and more than likely much earlier.

This is all pure speculation and MOO, but I think it more likely than not. I truly believe that BM’s son is a victim of his father as well. I sincerely hope that BM left his daughter and grandchildren alone. I simply can’t imagine the horrors that they are trying to cope with.

IMHO


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[Grey-St]

From what we have learned so far about BM, I cannot help but think that he severely damaged his son in some horrific way, as his son has been deeply troubled and charged numerous times at least since the age of 11, and more than likely much earlier.

This is all pure speculation and MOO, but I think it more likely than not. I truly believe that BM’s son is a victim of his father as well. I sincerely hope that BM left his daughter and grandchildren alone. I simply can’t imagine the horrors that they are trying to cope with.

IMHO


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It's remarkable some of the comments I've read in MSM, beneath the articles about his son. Trust me when I say, I do not think kindly of this man. He tormented women, caused them to live in fear, and is deeply disturbed. However, the family did not commit these heinous acts and crimes.

Note to self: Don't read the comment section of MSM articles. It causes you to question the intelligence of humanity.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

It's remarkable some of the comments I've read in MSM, beneath the articles about his son. Trust me when I say, I do not think kindly of this man. He tormented women, caused them to live in fear, and is deeply disturbed. However, the family did not commit these heinous acts and crimes.

Note to self: Don't read the comment section of MSM articles. It causes you to question the intelligence of humanity.

I agree that the family did not commit these heinous acts and crimes, but, Grey-St, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts (any WSers’ thoughts) about the possibility of BM having some devastating effect on his son during his son’s formative years, knowing what BM is capable of.


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[nuff]

How did they confirm and charge for the murders of the 5 already...did he confess or was there other evidence?

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There was clearly other evidence found (dated photographs on his computer, I'm guessing) which was sufficient to enable them to identify the victims, know they were killed, and lay the first-degree charges.

As for all those questioning why they haven't identified more of the remains found, it is not always possible to get a DNA sample from skeletal remains. Not to be too morbid, but Andrew Kinsman's death was relatively recent; some of the other remains found may be older and only bone with no tissue remaining for DNA extraction. Just guessing of course, based on some limited knowledge of forensic science.

 

[Sjm_qc]

There was clearly other evidence found (dated photographs on his computer, I'm guessing) which was sufficient to enable them to identify the victims, know they were killed, and lay the first-degree charges.

As for all those questioning why they haven't identified more of the remains found, it is not always possible to get a DNA sample from skeletal remains. Not to be too morbid, but Andrew Kinsman's death was relatively recent; some of the other remains found may be older and only bone with no tissue remaining for DNA extraction. Just guessing of course, based on some limited knowledge of forensic science.

Or items belonging to the victims as well, perhaps? Speculation.

I&#8217;d add that in the case of using DNA to identify victims, results of testing can take a while.

 

[Grey-St]

I agree that the family did not commit these heinous acts and crimes, but, Grey-St, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts (any WSers&#8217; thoughts) about the possibility of BM having some devastating effect on his son during his son&#8217;s formative years, knowing what BM is capable of.


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It's difficult to speculate at this point, with such little information. To me, it sounds like BM had two different personalities. If he showed his angry/problematic side at home, then I could assume that would have an affect on his children. Anything further than having a bad temper, is hard to know at this point in time. I've be meaning to research the son's disorder, which may or may not be more enlightening.

ETA: but I mean, he was raised by a serial killer.

 

[dotr]

Cannot help but wonder if there is any possibility that BM was also capable of killing females, perhaps when he was younger?
complete speculation.

 

[dotr]

Very classy and gracious people, imo.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/karen-fraser-bruce-mcarthur-mallory-crescent-home-1.4527889

'There's no training for this': Owners of home tied to Bruce McArthur allowed to return


'I think I've kind of put it in different rooms in my mind,' said Karen Fraser

CBC News Posted: Feb 09, 2018

"We'll know when we arrive. On the other hand, our position is that this is our home. It's a beautiful property, we have deer in the back, lovely light, we look right down over the Don Valley. This is a tragedy but we're not going to let it bring our life down. We liked our life in that house," Fraser told CBC's Metro Morning.

They will, however, host a "clearing ceremony," which will be open to anyone in the community. Space clearing rituals, common in cultures throughout the world, are usually intended to re-establish positive energy, or the perception thereof, in places where tragic or unwanted things have happened.

"Maybe it will help just a little bit, to think of it as a community and try to keep moving," she said.

"What happened to us was upsetting and inconvenient, but it will pass," she said of her experiences over the last three weeks. "What happened to the community in the Village, and the families, is going to be agony forever. We wanted to be there to support them."

 

[JDG]

It's difficult to speculate at this point, with such little information. To me, it sounds like BM had two different personalities. If he showed his angry/problematic side at home, then I could assume that would have an affect on his children. Anything further than having a bad temper, is hard to know at this point in time. I've be meaning to research the son's disorder, which may or may not be more enlightening.

ETA: but I mean, he was raised by a serial killer.

he may have been a normal parent. seems his relationship with his kids and grandchildren was fine until this broke. He probably loved his wife and children, seems money was problematic i.e. bankruptcy followed by divorce. I would guess the divorce was about the time he came out of the closet.

 

[Inthedetails]

Or items belonging to the victims as well, perhaps? Speculation.

I&#8217;d add that in the case of using DNA to identify victims, results of testing can take a while.

I don't want to be overly morbid, but could there have been physical evidence in his home from the victims themselves that identified them? If I understand correctly, only torsos have been found in the planters, is that right? Perhaps other remains were in the apartment?

IDK, just speculating. Jmo

 

[puppyraiser]

I don't want to be overly morbid, but could there have been physical evidence in his home from the victims themselves that identified them? If I understand correctly, only torsos have been found in the planters, is that right? Perhaps other remains were in the apartment?

IDK, just speculating. Jmo

I think he either took pictures or videos that were date and time stamped and that LE were able to identify the 5 or 6 victims that way. Now they need to match remains found through DNA, scars or tats.

 

[Jealoushe]

I agree that the family did not commit these heinous acts and crimes, but, Grey-St, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts (any WSers&#8217; thoughts) about the possibility of BM having some devastating effect on his son during his son&#8217;s formative years, knowing what BM is capable of.

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I'm sure it had an effect, but lets be real here. MANY people are abused, tormented, unloved, and do not grow up to continually harass women to the point they have to leave Province. The man is vile, almost as bad as his father IMO.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I'm sure it had an effect, but lets be real here. MANY people are abused, tormented, unloved, and do not grow up to continually harass women to the point they have to leave Province. The man is vile, almost as bad as his father IMO.

I know, Jealouse, however I can’t help but think that BM has played a huge role in contributing to his son’s paraphilia. Of course, pure speculation and moo. I think that in time, when much more is uncovered/revealed that it is possible that BM caused some horrific psychological trauma/sexual abuse to his own son, which led to the son’s paraphilia, which started at such a young age. I could certainly be wrong. Also, comparatively, considering all the murders BM has committed, his son is no where near as “bad” as his father. But kind of a ridiculous comparison for me to make. MOO


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[dotr]

Hoping they manage to get to it before the heavy snow that is expected, arrives!
VIDEO.
https://www.cp24.com/

Probe at property linked to McArthur moves to yard