Canada - Bruce McArthur charged in murders of six men, Toronto, 2010-2017

[matou]

All 6 sets of remains found in planters.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/961678875385303040

 

[Grey-St]

How did they confirm and charge for the murders of the 5 already...did he confess or was there other evidence?

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Some sort of other evidence, it's unclear what it is for sure at the moment.

 

[Jpoho]

I was just posting that BM.s DNA was entered into the database in April of 2003. Leonardo was believed to be killed in Aug. 2003. LE ran DNA through the National Database, thus BM's DNA would have already been entered and no match was found.

jmo

Sorry I wasn’t clear, I meant I understood what you said and you’re right. 😊

 

[JDG]

So we can anticipate 1 additional victim/charge for certain. Lets hope they can identify them all. I wonder what happens if they can't? A reporter asked that question re: additional charges, and all Insinga said was "we will deal with that if and when the time comes" or something.

if they cannot identify the remains, the charge will be indignity to a human body.

they have to ID the person for a murder charge.

 

[Jasper52]

Soon after police provided an update on their investigation into alleged serial killer Bruce McArthur, his son, Todd, made an appearance at an Oshawa courthouse on unrelated charges in a different case.

The trio avoided reporters at the 150 Bond St. courthouse Thursday afternoon, where Todd was scheduled for a brief hearing to substitute his surety on the terms of his bail.

Son of Bruce McArthur, the man charged with Gay Village murders, attends court in Oshawa on unrelated charges


Guess the courts don't see an alleged serial killer as a suitable surety. <insert sarcasm here> :facepalm:

 

[Jasper52]

Wonder if the other property is his old family home in Oshawa.

He was there for many years, when he was a travelling salesman.

IMO, this is going to cover a LOT of Ontario, his old sales stomping grounds.

Jumping off your post...

Delving into McArthur's past

Idsinga said the first priority for police is to focus on "what we have already," referring to the evidence found so far. "Then we'll start working back through some missing person occurrences."

He said they plan to dig back "quite far" into hundreds of missing persons cases to see if McArthur could be connected, and confirmed that they will be looking at McArthur's past.

Remains of Andrew Kinsman found on property where Bruce McArthur worked. 'It is getting bigger, and we are getting more resources,' says lead detective of investigation


bbm

I have little doubt we'll know the location of the other property when the time comes, if it does. jmo

 

[dotr]

TM does not look the way one might expect him to look, pic at link. imo speculation.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-village-murders-attends-court-in-oshawa.html

McArthur&#8217;s 37-year-old son, and youngest of two children, was flanked by two women who refused to identify themselves to reporters.

&#8220;We&#8217;ve been through enough. We&#8217;re also victims,&#8221; Todd McArthur said outside the courtroom.

&#8220;We&#8217;ve been through too much. It&#8217;s been hell. No more comment.&#8221;

The trio avoided reporters at the 150 Bond St. courthouse Thursday afternoon, where Todd was scheduled for a brief hearing to substitute his surety on the terms of his bail.

 

[MyTye]

What is the trigger where LE are able to get DNA info on missing persons? Can family give DNA samples voluntarily without the persons consent? When can they legally give it? When can LE run DNA analysis? I imagine it is based on a warrant process. I hope that after this is sorted out an Official Inquest is initiated to look at ways to fast track evidence being provided to LE in investigations linked to possible serial killings. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems that DNA analysis is being delayed by the legal process not the analysis process. If not, perhaps we need to invest in the technology we need to solve these crimes!

 

[Jasper52]

if they cannot identify the remains, the charge will be indignity to a human body.

they have to ID the person for a murder charge.

Is this only in Canada?

I ask as 'El Dorado Jane Doe's' boyfriend was convicted of murder even though she remained unidentified. He shot her to death. That was in Arkansas.

 

[cybervampira]

Toronto murders: police examine hundreds of cases for serial killer link

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ons-cases-for-link-to-serial-killer?CMP=fb_gu

In addition to a physical search of a number of properties, the investigation now has an extensive digital component. Police are preparing warrants for online service providers. “We are dealing with some agencies overseas,” said Idsinga.

 

[Sjm_qc]

This is so strange. How could they not at this point have DNA profiles established for all of the victims he's charged with? I could understand it being difficult for Dean, as maybe they couldn't track down his family?

This makes me wonder again what evidence they had to lay these charges? I actually assumed it had to have been DNA in the case of Dean, because he wasn't even reported missing, therefore they wouldn't have his photo. I thought maybe Dean had a DNA profile with TPS already, from another encounter perhaps?

Were the photos labeled with names? Did BM keep a list? I'd assume TPS would have to go on more than that. I'm back at square one.

I listened several times to the question and answer about “DNA profiles of at least two of those men”. The question (which was exceedingly difficult to hear) was about DNA profiles for the 3 men from Project Houston. Not the 5 murder charges.

I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that they may not (yet) have Skanda’s DNA on file (he has no family members in Canada).

 

[Sjm_qc]

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/re...t-property-linked-to-bruce-mcarthur-1.3795053

&#8220;Police know precise day Kinsman was murdered

Idsinga said that police &#8220;know the exact day&#8221; that Kinsman was murdered and can pinpoint the deaths of most of the other victims to &#8220;within weeks.&#8221;&#8221;

 

[Vern]

Is this only in Canada?

I ask as 'El Dorado Jane Doe's' boyfriend was convicted of murder even though she remained unidentified. He shot her to death. That was in Arkansas.

IIRC, to date Robert Pickton has been the only person charged with murder in Canada where the victim was unknown. She was one of his 26 murder charges. The charges were quashed by the Court when he got to trial due to the prosecution being unable to provide evidence relating to time & cause of death. Nothing to do with her being unidentified.

I suppose then, it's possible that a murder charge would remain/proceed in Canada should time and manner of death be established (via photo or video for example) for an unidentified victim.

 

[LadyL]

I don't get it ... how would you expect him to look?

TM does not look the way one might expect him to look, pic at link. imo speculation.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-village-murders-attends-court-in-oshawa.html

 

[dotr]

I don't get it ... how would you expect him to look?

Just my first impression, probably should not have posted it.

 

[JDG]

Is this only in Canada?

I ask as 'El Dorado Jane Doe's' boyfriend was convicted of murder even though she remained unidentified. He shot her to death. That was in Arkansas.

I saw it on CP24. They have a retired officer explaining things, think it was him that said if you want to allege that BM killed X, you have be able to identify X.

I didn't know that to be true but CP24 was the source.

I didn't think you even need a body. They didn't have Laura Babcock nor Tim Bosma.

 

[LadyL]

I'm having trouble reading between the lines lol

Just my first impression, probably should not have posted it.

 

[JDG]

I don't get it ... how would you expect him to look?

I believe dotr stated s/he was speculating. FWIW, he doesn't look as I expected either. IMO

Its fine dotr, thank you for posting the link.

I do think the family must be in shock, imagine finding out your ex, parent etc is an alleged serial murderer!

 

[Grey-St]

IIRC, to date Robert Pickton has been the only person charged with murder in Canada where the victim was unknown. She was one of his 26 murder charges. The charges were quashed by the Court when he got to trial due to the prosecution being unable to provide evidence relating to time & cause of death. Nothing to do with her being unidentified.

I suppose then, it's possible that a murder charge would remain/proceed in Canada should time and manner of death be established (via photo or video for example) for an unidentified victim.

Thank you, Vern! I had a feeling it could be done.

 

[Grey-St]

I saw it on CP24. They have a retired officer explaining things, think it was him that said if you want to allege that BM killed X, you have be able to identify X.

I didn't know that to be true but CP24 was the source.

I didn't think you even need a body. They didn't have Laura Babcock nor Tim Bosma.

Did it happen to be Steve Ryan? I'm assuming it was as he's their crime specialist.