GUILTY Canada - Kienan Hebert, 3, Sparwood BC, 7 Sept 2011 - #1

[SilkySifaka]

As we all celebrate Kienan's return home, please remember that our TOS prohibits posting pix of non-suspects and of adults or minors who are not victims. Also it appears that Kienan's family would like us not to post pictures of him any longer, now that he's been found.

I know we are all just so happy to see this precious baby returned home--but let's keep the family's wishes and our TOS foremost. Thank you all! :grouphug:

Still glad I got to see him playing though! It is wonderful he is home.

 

[katydid23]

I hope the abductor is shown some mercy by the courts. He showed little Kienan mercy by taking him home safely. I know there are some hideous crimes he will have to answer for, but at least he did not kill him like most seem to do. I think, as an example to others, that should be noted and taken into account by the courts. imoo

 

[KEVINinTO]

I'm very glad to hear that this little boy is safe and sound however something is amiss with this story.

How did the abductor know that the house would be empty?

According to CTV reports the father couldn't sleep and was out walking in the middle of the night when he saw police with flash lights. The Police told him that they received a phone call that Kienan had been returned to the home and they asked the father to unlock the door to the home

How did the abductor get inside the home? Did he have a key?

 

[Salem]

I hope the abductor is shown some mercy by the courts. He showed little Kienan mercy by taking him home safely. I know there are some hideous crimes he will have to answer for, but at least he did not kill him like most seem to do. I think, as an example to others, that should be noted and taken into account by the courts. imoo

As much as I hate to say this - I think you have a point. I'll ponder this for awhile, because instinctively I want to say - NO WAY IN ?!*!

Salem

 

[SilkySifaka]

I hope the abductor is shown some mercy by the courts. He showed little Kienan mercy by taking him home safely. I know there are some hideous crimes he will have to answer for, but at least he did not kill him like most seem to do. I think, as an example to others, that should be noted and taken into account by the courts. imoo

I agree. That does not mean I want him out on the streets, but the sort of prison he is put in etc. Plus he will get out. By not killing little Kienan he won't get a life sentence, so how, when can all make a difference.

If it can stop one other child from being killed it would be worth it.

This isn't to make him a good guy, he is still a creep who likely assaulted a little child let alone kidnapping him (even tho there is the possibility he just wanted a friend of his own). I just think that there are more good reasons for a little mercy given the safe return of the child than there are bad reasons..and little to do with the man himself but others out there.

 

[SilkySifaka]

One thing strikes me. Apart from the people who found their cabin ravaged by him, the people themselves in the town never seemed to talk badly about him. Or at least not as if he was a monster. It is almost as if they thought of him as the guy in town who isn't quite right but not considered a big danger.

Obviously he is but he isn't like 99% of the stranger abductors..it never happens they are returned! I am still trying to wrap my head around it and hope he explains one day

 

[MarthaM]

I'm very glad to hear that this little boy is safe and sound however something is amiss with this story.

How did the abductor know that the house would be empty?

According to CTV reports the father couldn't sleep and was out walking in the middle of the night when he saw police with flash lights. The Police told him that they received a phone call that Kienan had been returned to the home and they asked the father to unlock the door to the home

How did the abductor get inside the home? Did he have a key?

Maybe the abductor was lurking around watching, and realized the house was empty. Maybe the house had been left unlocked, and the abductor locked the doors as he left after dropping Kienen off.

For that matter, maybe someone besides the abductor himself dropped him off. An accomplice? If not an actual accomplice in the abduction, maybe somebody who was with the abductor over the past couple of days?

All just speculation, which is about all I can do right now until I know more.

 

[Dee10]

As the community has only one road in or out, driving to the Hebert house would have required passing the search and rescue command post located at the entrance to the suburb. The new neighbourhood is a mixture of empty houses, lawns and dirt lots. Located on a flat landscape, it is not protected by any fences, mature trees or shrubs.

Saturday was a cloudless night lit by a bright full moon.

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/preach...ler+abductor/5385312/story.html#ixzz1XfsuvcW9
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[Turtles]

Just popped to get an update and saw this fantastic news. I didn't think this would be the outcome..very glad to be wrong!

 

[margaret_diane]

He must not have been terribly far away - and must have been watching the house from wherever he was. Interesting to note that one article I read about the earlier breakin in the same area.... the door is usually left unlocked... but a mom came home (her kids weren't home at the time), and discovered the door had been locked by someone.... an ipod with photos was stolen. Its possible he knew the area / the homes really well.. better than one might otherwise expect.

Here is the link to the article to back up what I'm saying:
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/K...nother+child/5385249/story.html#ixzz1XfgJT3tF

 

[katydid23]

I agree. That does not mean I want him out on the streets, but the sort of prison he is put in etc. Plus he will get out. By not killing little Kienan he won't get a life sentence, so how, when can all make a difference.

If it can stop one other child from being killed it would be worth it.

This isn't to make him a good guy, he is still a creep who likely assaulted a little child let alone kidnapping him (even tho there is the possibility he just wanted a friend of his own). I just think that there are more good reasons for a little mercy given the safe return of the child than there are bad reasons..and little to do with the man himself but others out there.

Agreed. He abducted a child so he should serve a very long sentence. But I also think there should be a distinction between those who abduct and kill and those who return their victims home safely. Obviously they were not returned entirely safe, since there is probably some sexual abuse there to deal with. but better that then be buried in a garbage bag, imo.

 

[Snoopster]

The thought occurred to me that perhaps RH has Aspergers, or is on the autism spectrum somewhere. He is too old and too high functioning to have been diagnosed as a child. It would explain his inability to relate to people, but yet he is trying?? By his behaviour, from what little we know, he doesn't appear to be narcissistic or borderline personality, like many pedophiles seem to be.

Keep in mind that this is totally the wild speculation of a non-expert so clearly JMO from an ignorant perspective and quite possibly completely off the target!

 

[Kamille]

By looking at the pictures of the home there does appear to be a heavy brush line and possibly a solid construction fence not that far from the house so I think it's possible that he cut through there on foot both taking and returning Kienan.

5th picture on this link

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ph...ily+after+safe+return+home/5385158/story.html

 

[matou]

I also think the police and family are worried that the perp will access photos of Kienan for his own keepsakes. There was a photo of a 10 year old boy found in the cabin that he refurbished. I don't think they want Kienan's photo in his possession. JMO

 

[SilkySifaka]

The thought occurred to me that perhaps RH has Aspergers, or is on the autism spectrum somewhere. He is too old and too high functioning to have been diagnosed as a child. It would explain his inability to relate to people, but yet he is trying?? By his behaviour, from what little we know, he doesn't appear to be narcissistic or borderline personality, like many pedophiles seem to be.

Keep in mind that this is totally the wild speculation of a non-expert so clearly JMO from an ignorant perspective and quite possibly completely off the target!

Not a bad thought. One thing that stayed in my mind when the cabin was described to me was how much it was like a little kids fantasy playroom in a way. Almost what he wanted to be..i mean he lived there for months on his own. Scary as heck when you imagine him with another child but if he is unable to relate to adults it makes sense he turns his attention to children and might explain why he didn't hurt Kienan or at least kill.

He took a huge risk to get him home. He could have just dumped him on a road miles away instead.

They need to catch him and get some answers.

 

[SilkySifaka]

I also think the police and family are worried that the perp will access photos of Kienan for his own keepsakes. There was a photo of a 10 year old boy found in the cabin that he refurbished. I don't think they want Kienan's photo in his possession. JMO

More likely he took his own if he wanted them. I just think they want him out of the public eye now, they allowed everyone to see him playing frisbee this morning and that is it. (I loved him spraying the water pistol at everyone..mischievous tyke )

There may be a concern that someone else gets the idea but probably they just want this little one to go back to as normal a life as possible as fast as possible.

 

[MarthaM]

More likely he took his own if he wanted them. I just think they want him out of the public eye now, they allowed everyone to see him playing frisbee this morning and that is it. (I loved him spraying the water pistol at everyone..mischievous tyke )

There may be a concern that someone else gets the idea but probably they just want this little one to go back to as normal a life as possible as fast as possible.

I agree.

I don't like seeing photos of victims, especially children, reposed anywhere after they've been located--alive or not. I just think that the place for photos is on Missing posters and that privacy takes over after that. I know that's next to impossibly with the internet, though.

 

[SilkySifaka]

The thought occurred to me that perhaps RH has Aspergers, or is on the autism spectrum somewhere. He is too old and too high functioning to have been diagnosed as a child. It would explain his inability to relate to people, but yet he is trying?? By his behaviour, from what little we know, he doesn't appear to be narcissistic or borderline personality, like many pedophiles seem to be.

Keep in mind that this is totally the wild speculation of a non-expert so clearly JMO from an ignorant perspective and quite possibly completely off the target!

wanted to add.. "yet he is trying" is probably true. Something made him show mercy..and more than the minimal of just dumping him somewhere.

god don't get the idea I like this guy, but some part of him allowed a happy ending and as the police officer said, it just doesn't happen that a child is returned like this. Need to make sense of it.

 

[Dogface]

Somewhat OT, but, the fact that KH couldn't identify his kidnapper made me think of a previous study I saw done on infants(1-2 days old) where when shown a picture of their mother suckled a monitored pacifier at a higher rate than when shown an image of a stranger...so obviously children, even at an early age, can recognize familiar faces(and even voices and native language) and there are physical manifestations of this recognition...makes me wonder what other signs could be monitored to support a measurable degree of recognition, and that could be used perhaps when children where shown mugshots...i.e. perhaps measuring pupil dilation, heart rate, blink rate, breath rate would show a pattern of responses in conjunction with recognizing a face.

 

[Snoopster]

Hopley's mother, Margaret Fink, was in tears Sunday after Kienan's return, and urged her son to come see her.

"I'm very glad. I hope he comes home now. I'll be waiting for him and my husband will," Fink said. "If he can hear me… I'm very glad that the little boy [was returned], and I hope he's well."

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110911/bc_kienan_hebert_returned_110911/20110911/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Listen to your mom, Randy. She really wants to see you. She is waiting for you.