Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

[MsSherlock]

In this interview with the Hamilton Police Chief, he says there are 2400 to 2500 people who go missing in the city each year and "We have the same procedure, the same response in all cases. And it's just the evidence that presents itself that causes us to escalate the investigation, or take us in the direction that we need to go. It's the evidence that guides us."

http://www.chch.com/web-extra-glenn-de-caire-interview/ (start watching around 2:00)

He goes on to explain that when TB didn't return from a test-drive, they had an empty driveway, and a wife and daughter who were concerned about his whereabouts.

In LB's case, I think (hope) TPS may have acted differently if she was living at home, went out for some milk or something one night, and was reported missing immediately by her family after failing to return. The fact is she had moved out of her parents home and had been staying with various friends and a hotel, and there was no definitive missing date or event (sounds like she stopped contacting friends at different times). I'm not even sure if a judge would have signed a search warrant/production order for phone and financial records based on that set of circumstances?

What is the case you refer to from December? Did they ever find the man?

It was the chef case and he resurface alive and well. Not sure of all the details.

 

[jash]

It was the chef case and he resurface alive and well. Not sure of all the details.

Oh I remember that one. I believe it was Waterloo Regional Police that were in charge of the investigation, not TPS.

 

[MsSherlock]

Oh I remember that one. I believe it was Waterloo Regional Police that were in charge of the investigation, not TPS.

Thanks Jash..you are correct.. it was Waterloo. :jail:

 

[hopingforjustice]

I personally have a different impression of the parents just from the statements which were to the media. Also Laura own Aunt and Uncle didn't even know she was missing, so shows me the parents weren't too concerned..IMO..
They may me now that Dellen Mellard is charged with murder, but prior to that TPS nor the parents had a reason to be concerned.

I have to ask the question that if Laura had started to trail down a shady path, is it possible that her parents were ashamed/angry/fed up with her for doing so? They may have washed their hands in frustration. Tough love approach..Could be the reason that relatives did not know. If this is the case, then a close friend (SL) could quite likely be the one who had been the confidant, adviser, shoulder in the days leading up to her disappearance. At that precise moment he may have been closer to her than her own parents and as such should have garnered the attention of the TPS. And the TPS could have quite easily figured that out by asking a measly few questions.

Now also I just have to say that I feel that there is more than enough need for the TPS to approach those other people on that list and don't understand why they "would rather" they called in themselves.
Is this how police investigations work now? They put the scenario out there and sit back and wait for the public to call in and solve it for them?

I sure hope I never go missing...

ALL JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

I have to ask the question that if Laura had started to trail down a shady path, is it possible that her parents were ashamed/angry/fed up with her for doing so? They may have washed their hands in frustration. Tough love approach..Could be the reason that relatives did not know. If this is the case, then a close friend (SL) could quite likely be the one who had been the confidant, adviser, shoulder in the days leading up to her disappearance. At that precise moment he may have been closer to her than her own parents and as such should have garnered the attention of the TPS. And the TPS could have quite easily figured that out by asking a measly few questions.

Now also I just have to say that I feel that there is more than enough need for the TPS to approach those other people on that list and don't understand why they "would rather" they called in themselves.
Is this how police investigations work now? They put the scenario out there and sit back and wait for the public to call in and solve it for them?

I sure hope I never go missing...

ALL JMO

Sad to think that just perhaps if the LB case was investigated correctly, WM and TB would still be alive today. MOO

 

[Archangel7]

I have to ask the question that if Laura had started to trail down a shady path, is it possible that her parents were ashamed/angry/fed up with her for doing so? They may have washed their hands in frustration. Tough love approach..Could be the reason that relatives did not know. If this is the case, then a close friend (SL) could quite likely be the one who had been the confidant, adviser, shoulder in the days leading up to her disappearance. At that precise moment he may have been closer to her than her own parents and as such should have garnered the attention of the TPS. And the TPS could have quite easily figured that out by asking a measly few questions.

Now also I just have to say that I feel that there is more than enough need for the TPS to approach those other people on that list and don't understand why they "would rather" they called in themselves.
Is this how police investigations work now? They put the scenario out there and sit back and wait for the public to call in and solve it for them?

I sure hope I never go missing...

ALL JMO

That's why crime is "down" in GTA. No dead body present? No crime committed and no need for the POPO. Car stolen? Anybody hurt? No? Then call your insurance, no need for the POPO.

A 4 YO draws a picture of a gun in school. Roll the SWAT/TRU team, arrest the dad, cavity search him all for nothing. What a joke.

LB would have been found by now if SL had told them she had a
BB gun.:floorlaugh:

 

[newone]

I went back through earlier posts and found a link to a site called the dirty and link is here might want to scroll through it and note comments (won't repeat or post them here - it's insightful as friends were concerned)
http://thedirty.com/2012/10/please-help-find-my-friend-laura-babcock-aka-laura-ryan/

please note vegas comment

 

[MsSherlock]

"What he wasn't expecting was to hear that his daughter was allegedly involved in the sex trade.

"Shocking" was the word he used to describe his feeling of hearing information he said he was not aware of." Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/0...to-dellen-millard-about-missing-woman-baffles
It certainly doesn't look like TPS even speak to the next of kin. To find out very personal details of a loved one which may be based on pure hearsay during a presser is appalling. For heavens sake, why couldn't they have at least met with LB's parents prior to the news conference? They're fast enough to be certain when embarking on character assassination, yet know nothing about suicide girls photo ops and confess to not looking at hard copy cell phone records that clearly indicated many phone calls to one number right prior to going missing when 2 people have gone on record saying they delivered these records to LE months ago. I think we may need a new thread for TPS...lol

 

[MsSherlock]

I went back through earlier posts and found a link to a site called the dirty and link is here might want to scroll through it and note comments (won't repeat or post them here - it's insightful as friends were concerned)
http://thedirty.com/2012/10/please-help-find-my-friend-laura-babcock-aka-laura-ryan/

please note vegas comment

Thanks Newone-I followed the rhino remark to Spearmint Rhino in Vegas-I ask my fellow sleuthers to check out October. Is there a resemblance or am I seeing things?

 

[newone]

Thanks Newone-I followed the rhino remark to Spearmint Rhino in Vegas-I ask my fellow sleuthers to check out October. Is there a resemblance or am I seeing things?

http://www.spearmintrhinolv.com/Girl-Six-0.html and

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/0...to-dellen-millard-about-missing-woman-baffles

for comparison

the earlier blond photo emphasizes her nose and I think shows better resemblance to October's .....

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/04/dellen-millard/

 

[elepher50]

Thanks Newone-I followed the rhino remark to Spearmint Rhino in Vegas-I ask my fellow sleuthers to check out October. Is there a resemblance or am I seeing things?

Hmmm... went and took a look but don't think it is LB however, I do readily admit that facial comparisons is not a strength that I possess. Others thoughts?

 

[greenthumb]

http://www.spearmintrhinolv.com/Girl-Six-0.html and

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/0...to-dellen-millard-about-missing-woman-baffles

for comparison

Eye shape slightly different? LB's turning downward more on the 'in' side, next to nose?

 

[THXGuru]

http://www.spearmintrhinolv.com/Girl-Six-0.html and

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/0...to-dellen-millard-about-missing-woman-baffles

for comparison

the earlier blond photo emphasizes her nose and I think shows better resemblance to October's .....

I don't see a resemblance.

 

[Gibson67]

Thats true, but IMO, LE should investigate every missing person expeditiously to determine that there's enough evidence that points in that direction. To think that TPS actually said in their presser that they had just recently obtained LB's cell phone records indicates to me that no investigation was done at all. I thought cell phone records were a pretty standard thing for LE to investigate right out of the gate. Further more, how did they determine that she was an internet sex trade worker? Hearsay? I figure that with the caliber of the sleuthers on this forum, that if anything was online, something would have been uncovered by now. MOO

a link was provided earlier that her brother said they have her computer..I would imagine it left that trail.

 

[emc2]

Here is the link for the press conference and the Q&A after. If you watch the Q&A one, he confirms that she had contact with someone else after the phone call to DM at the very end of the video. I haven't re-watched the presser yet, but I believe he mentioned it there as well. He just wouldn't confirm how that contact was made - whether through IM, BBM, e-mail, or whatever. I will listen again and could be mistaken, but I believe he also said that he was not going to say who that contact was with, but would prefer that person come forward on their own.

http://london.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1310377

I'm wondering why they are waiting for "that person" to come forward? If they have the information of the last known contact, why are they not pursuing this? Waiting for someone to come forward? Doesnt make any sense to me!

 

[newone]

I'm wondering why they are waiting for "that person" to come forward? If they have the information of the last known contact, why are they not pursuing this? Waiting for someone to come forward? Doesnt make any sense to me!

could be that all they have is an email/ip address and/or cell number which is out of service? ((just guessing))

 

[puppyraiser]

I'm wondering why they are waiting for "that person" to come forward? If they have the information of the last known contact, why are they not pursuing this? Waiting for someone to come forward? Doesnt make any sense to me!

No wonder the solve rate of crimes is low in T.O.
The members of LE I personally know (and highly respect) actively go out in search of possible suspects, they don't wait for them to walk into the station.

 

[MsSherlock]

I'm wondering why they are waiting for "that person" to come forward? If they have the information of the last known contact, why are they not pursuing this? Waiting for someone to come forward? Doesnt make any sense to me!

Kind of sounds like the last person may be a married man or something and they want to save him the embarrassment? Kind of a strange tactic by LE at this stage of the game...isn't it?

 

[Coldpizza]

Reminder

WS is a victim friendly forum! I've had to remove several posts. If you quote a post that has to be removed, your post will be removed, as well.

LB's family are considered victims. We do not speculate that victims are part of any criminal activity. You are allowed to discuss them, you just can't consider them involved in her disappearance.

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:tyou: for your cooperation!

 

[Yankee42]

can you please confirm what you mean by "poor"? It reads as if she comes from poverty, whereas this is not the case. In fact, the family lives in an affluent area.

I think that Laura's problem was that she was probably addicted to drugs and did whatever she could to get money to pay for them. I can't see her "choosing" the dangerous lifestyle of an escort otherwise. She had other options. It's too bad that she "disappeared" before she even had a chance to turn her life around.

We don't know that she was addicted to drugs? Where do you
come up with that one?