Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #3

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Mabel said:
Life insurance maybe, if there is any? Is it common in Canada to have liens on 15 year old vehicles? It's about impossible to get a loan for a car that old in the states, except through very shady dealers.
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Sounds like creditors were after them...the credit companies weren't getting their actual money/payments so they put restrictions on the White's personal assets ....

I read Mike owed the gov't $34,000 for some type of car accident he had on the military base...In Canada if you owe money to the gov't and don't pay...they will eventually take over your assets or garnish any "wages" earned in order to recoup the money that is owed.....
 
I am still interested in exactly who saw Lianna around midnight. Did she go somewhere to meet somebody and possibly confide in somebody? (maybe about her troubled marriage and/or financial problems?). And maybe it really pissed huuby off that she was "exposing" their problems to whomever and he went off in rage and killed her?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....
 
Mabel said:
Life insurance maybe, if there is any? Is it common in Canada to have liens on 15 year old vehicles? It's about impossible to get a loan for a car that old in the states, except through very shady dealers.
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I suppose its possible to have a lien on older vehicles if they are factored into your total assets when you apply for a loan on something bigger-such as the house. The liens may be a result of putting up collateral for the house.
Normally in Canada nothing can be that old and used to get a loan by itself-nor will banks give you money for older vehicles if they are of no value..there are ways thing become part of a lien process if they were listed as contributing to the total value of another loan.
 
packerdog said:
I think the LE working on the case is doing a fine job. They keep alot of things to themselves including the search of the house and letting him talk to the press. They were right on him.
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I also think that LE did a very commendable job.

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Newtv, I really liked your "Canadian pride" post (may I call it that?). I appreciate how Canada remains a neutral country when it comes to world-affairs.

As an American, it will be difficult to follow this case, knowing in the end, all Michael will get is what would be considered by most Americans as a slap on the wrist. So, I hope that no one is offended when an American poster expresses angst over this (we know it's bound to happen time and again). It's nothing personal. It's just disgusting that this man will be walking the streets around the time I become eligible for my first AARP card (it's like a senior discount program). The penalties should be so much tougher.

I'm grateful having grown up so close to the Canadian border (Detroit). When I was younger, I would go club-hopping in Windsor with friends (the drinking age being 19 there). I was in line the day Windsor Casino first opened (can't believe it's been about 13 years). The Chinese restaurants over there are awesome, and I have watched Detroit fireworks from your side of the river. Working in EMS, I have transported patients to and from Canada. I always smile when I think of the hospital's name in Windsor, "Hotel Dieu". It's always been a nice place to visit, and the people are super-friendly. It's a far cry from Detroit, and that speaks volumes.

Keeping up with this case is very enjoyable, just to "listen" to you Canadian gals chat. You're all so friendly and polite to one another. I look forward to learning more about your customs and culture.

;)

ETA: I am also 25% French-Canadian. My Dad's Mother was 100%. I never learned much about the culture; my Grandmother lived in northern Michigan when I was a child, and I only saw her for a couple of weeks out of the year.
 
spygirl said:
Newtv, I really liked your "Canadian pride" post (may I call it that?). I appreciate how Canada remains a neutral country when it comes to world-affairs.

As an American, it will be difficult to follow this case, knowing in the end, all Michael will get is what would be considered by most Americans as a slap on the wrist. So, I hope that no one is offended when an American poster expresses angst over this (we know it's bound to happen time and again). It's nothing personal. It's just disgusting that this man will be walking the streets around the time I become eligible for my first AARP card (it's like a senior discount program). The penalties should be so much tougher.

I'm grateful having grown up so close to the Canadian border (Detroit). When I was younger, I would go club-hopping in Windsor with friends (the drinking age being 19 there). I was in line the day Windsor Casino first opened (can't believe it's been about 13 years). The Chinese restaurants over there are awesome, and I have watched Detroit fireworks from your side of the river. Working in EMS, I have transported patients to and from Canada. I always smile when I think of the hospital's name in Windsor, "Hotel Dieu". It's always been a nice place to visit, and the people are super-friendly. It's a far cry from Detroit, and that speaks volumes.

Keeping up with this case is very enjoyable, just to "listen" to you Canadian gals chat. You're all so friendly and polite to one another. I look forward to learning more about your customs and culture.

;)

ETA: I am also 25% French-Canadian. My Dad's Mother was 100%. I never learned much about the culture; my Grandmother lived in northern Michigan when I was a child, and I only saw her for a couple of weeks out of the year.
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hey spygirl, my post was triggered by reading my canadian counterparts threads primarily, (only a select few and not one in particular), however to correct your perception of knowing the outcome..it is possible he will get 30 years..canada does punish people severly who break the law-the difference is we do not have the DP..and in any second degree murder charge in the states would it not be the same? Is the DP given for second degree murder?
I am not sure where you are getting the notion that 10-30 years is but a slap on the wrist-its still significant time and jail is no picnic-its only cause our population is so much smaller that we dont have the same jail conditions as say SQ.
Our jails are not pretty and they are not fun-jail is jail anywhere..but I would rather be in jail in canada or the states for that matter then in Iraq for example.
I mean we are still very similar to the states, but what wont happen in canada is that a guy who has stolen a tv when he was 21 wont still be in jail at 60..and in the states there are examples where this is the case. (I know of examples even still where this is the case in the states).
I refer mainly to my canadian sisters and brothers - I understand other countries not understanding us or suggesting we are too this or that. I dont think canadians should forget how lucky we are.
So, that was where I was coming from- just my reaction to a few select posts (not most).
It triggers this in me because I know how privileged I am.
We dont stay neutral in things so much as we wont occupy without consent. Right now -just yesterday- our troops left for a very serious high risk-lives lost- stint in Afghanastan. We are right there for the fight against terror that is sanctioned by the UN.

Anyhow-it isnt easy to dispell myths about ones country in a paragraph and I doubt it changes minds anyhow-so I wont write anymore as the thoughts came up in relation to comments about our laws on this thread so I felt it was appropriate.
However, I dont want to trigger an onslaught of defensiveness either. I respect differences and that means I respect what others do as much as I respect what we do right here in canada.

this article was put out 5 hours ago so its likely been posted- I cant keep track when we have lots of differnt media links posted.. I had not seen this title before..

Liana White was in struggle before she was killed

http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-white-homicide20050720

PS- I was raised in a border town, (michigan was the border state-both named s.s. marie US and in canada), before coming to vancouver. I never even thought we were differnt-and of course I still think we are similar. Americans have been part of my life from the get go..I would do anything legal for my US counterparts. Fight for your safety-whatever. I feel related and very similar.
(and I have especially enjoyed you on this thread).
 
Well, mostly I don't understand the 2nd degree charge. But it isn't really the time to make assumptions on that due to lack of further info. Liana showed signs of a struggle and her body was dumped.

Sure, I suppose that kind of evidence could bring on a 2nd degree charge here, but I seriously doubt it. There would have to be pretty good evidence to justify 2nd degree. But, we still don't know all the circumstances with what happened to Liana.

Actually, in Michigan the laws with regard to time served and the DP are very similar to Canada. We don't have the DP, and chances are pretty good that a murderer will be paroled. Having lived here all of my life, that may be why I'm somewhat divided on the DP issue.

But no matter where a murderer kills someone in cold blood, male or female, I don't think that person should ever have the privilege of walking amongst society ever again. No appeals either. I don't care where it is.

I read on one of Liana's threads someone mention "rehabilitation". Does Canada have a program like that established within the prison system?
 
Radio listeners complain after joke regarding case of murdered mom

A radio host apologized on the air Wednesday after listeners complained about a joke he made regarding the murder of a pregnant Edmonton woman. Jill Veenendaal said she heard Rock 106 host Fraser Tuff talk about the Liana White case and say that it is getting so hard these days to get a divorce it is almost easier to kill your wife.

The comments made her so angry she phoned the station, launched an e-mail campaign with some friends and filed complaints with broadcast industry regulators.

``I was disgusted and appalled,'' said Veenendaal, 24, a University of Lethbridge research assistant. ``A misogynistic comment like that is completely inappropriate.''

Liana White's body was found Sunday. Her husband has been charged with second-degree murder in her death.

Rock 106 station manager Terry Voth said the comment by the host was unacceptable and he personally apologized to Veenendaal.

Tuff also called her to say he was sorry. He then went on the air Wednesday morning to make a public apology.


http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=3af4c817-9e1f-4d15-a9b3-d2e9e34ce1e9
 
Global Edmonton 5 pm news

Friends are setting up a public trust fund for Ashley.
Medical Examiner's office is waiting for toxicology reports which could take up to several MONTHS.
 
[font=Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,Sans-Serif]Police Officer Laments Inability to Charge in Death of Unborn Baby - Canada's Laci Peterson

[/font]The public eye in Canada has, for the last week, been trained steadily on a murder case unfolding in a quiet Edmonton suburb. A young pregnant mother, Liana White, went missing last Monday and her partially decomposed body was found the following Sunday by a group of volunteer searchers including her husband, Michael White. Mrs. White was four months pregnant at the time of her death.

Michael White had been cooperating with police in the investigation and neighbours were shocked when charges of second-degree murder were laid against him the day after Mrs. White's body was found.

Some journalists covering the case have briefly quoted investigating Detective, Michael Campeau, who said, "Unfortunately, in Canada you can't charge a person with the death of an unborn baby." The writer of the Calgary Herald story, among others, made the comparison with the Laci Peterson case. In 2002, Californian Scott Peterson killed his 8-months pregnant wife and their unborn son who was posthumously named Conner. The US cause celebre resulted in the passage of the federal unborn victims of violence act that recognized both the existence of the child before birth and his legal rights.

The newspaper stories about the case have been unusual in that mention is often being made that not only Liana but her unborn child was killed as well.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072007.html
 
ETA: I am also 25% French-Canadian. My Dad's Mother was 100%. I never learned much about the culture; my Grandmother lived in northern Michigan when I was a child, and I only saw her for a couple of weeks out of the year.
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Cool! I am 100% french Canadian :) do you speak it at all?

I was born and raised in Montreal, Now I live in Castledowns which is pretty much in Edmonton.

There are some great people here on this board :)
 
Casshew said:
[font=Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,Sans-Serif]Police Officer Laments Inability to Charge in Death of Unborn Baby - Canada's Laci Peterson

[/font]The public eye in Canada has, for the last week, been trained steadily on a murder case unfolding in a quiet Edmonton suburb. A young pregnant mother, Liana White, went missing last Monday and her partially decomposed body was found the following Sunday by a group of volunteer searchers including her husband, Michael White. Mrs. White was four months pregnant at the time of her death.

Michael White had been cooperating with police in the investigation and neighbours were shocked when charges of second-degree murder were laid against him the day after Mrs. White's body was found.

Some journalists covering the case have briefly quoted investigating Detective, Michael Campeau, who said, "Unfortunately, in Canada you can't charge a person with the death of an unborn baby." The writer of the Calgary Herald story, among others, made the comparison with the Laci Peterson case. In 2002, Californian Scott Peterson killed his 8-months pregnant wife and their unborn son who was posthumously named Conner. The US cause celebre resulted in the passage of the federal unborn victims of violence act that recognized both the existence of the child before birth and his legal rights.

The newspaper stories about the case have been unusual in that mention is often being made that not only Liana but her unborn child was killed as well.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072007.html
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I am so sad for Lianna and her unborn baby but am at least somewhat relieved to know that the unborn baby's life is now being lamented and discussed.
The unborn baby is living and breathing and growing inside of his or her mother everyday and should never be discounted as anything less than human, and I am glad that the US recognizes this and hope Canada and other countries follow suit.

Thank goodness for all the good people like Sharon Rocha who worked hard to help get such a law recognized and passed in the US regarding the rights for the unborn baby.
 
spygirl said:
Well, mostly I don't understand the 2nd degree charge. But it isn't really the time to make assumptions on that due to lack of further info. Liana showed signs of a struggle and her body was dumped.

Sure, I suppose that kind of evidence could bring on a 2nd degree charge here, but I seriously doubt it. There would have to be pretty good evidence to justify 2nd degree. But, we still don't know all the circumstances with what happened to Liana.

Actually, in Michigan the laws with regard to time served and the DP are very similar to Canada. We don't have the DP, and chances are pretty good that a murderer will be paroled. Having lived here all of my life, that may be why I'm somewhat divided on the DP issue.

But no matter where a murderer kills someone in cold blood, male or female, I don't think that person should ever have the privilege of walking amongst society ever again. No appeals either. I don't care where it is.

I read on one of Liana's threads someone mention "rehabilitation". Does Canada have a program like that established within the prison system?
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yes- I assume we have that type of thing..but people are people and I doubt our programs work any better than yours...things work for some folks and not for others..people can get an education..and we dont have death row so that means noone is denied privileges that would be denied those on death row..we have monsters who wonr ever get out too-because they are dangerous offenders-but they dont get the DP- and for those I could agree to it- but then we get into the whole where is the line drawn thing"..but more over its against our basic values- or the majority of canadians..its a philosophy..but I really think sex offenders - crimes against children involving sex of any sort - violent offenders should die-but that is not going to happen.

On a happier note- canada passed its same sex marriage law through the senate and now its just a formailty to be signed by the prime minister (President).
Anyhow I think its an example of our civility and diversity.
I am gay so I dont really say alot about such things because people then assume its personal. I would want this for canadians even if I was not gay.
Its the straight people in the world who defend gays that matters most..because people listen more.
Same as when a man protects a woman against discrimination-if he says it is discrimination people listen. If a woman says it she is a b...ch.
Adults who stand up for children are listened to but children are not..there is an impact when you are outside the group you are supporting.

Anyhow- its just an example of why I pinch myself everyday to be sure I am not dreaming that i live here in canada. I feel that way about all the major social issues.
Now I just have to find someone to marry..laughing..I do not want to be married. (been there)
 
I am not gay but a lot of my friends are. I support humanity at all costs. I also support the death penalty....particularly for violent sex offenders.And children are the most importent people on earth.
 
concernedperson said:
I am not gay but a lot of my friends are. I support humanity at all costs. I also support the death penalty....particularly for violent sex offenders.And children are the most importent people on earth.
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I agree that both positions can and do exist at the same time.
 
Casshew said:
[font=Arial,Verdana,Helvetica,Sans-Serif]Police Officer Laments Inability to Charge in Death of Unborn Baby - Canada's Laci Peterson

[/font]The public eye in Canada has, for the last week, been trained steadily on a murder case unfolding in a quiet Edmonton suburb. A young pregnant mother, Liana White, went missing last Monday and her partially decomposed body was found the following Sunday by a group of volunteer searchers including her husband, Michael White. Mrs. White was four months pregnant at the time of her death.

Michael White had been cooperating with police in the investigation and neighbours were shocked when charges of second-degree murder were laid against him the day after Mrs. White's body was found.

Some journalists covering the case have briefly quoted investigating Detective, Michael Campeau, who said, "Unfortunately, in Canada you can't charge a person with the death of an unborn baby." The writer of the Calgary Herald story, among others, made the comparison with the Laci Peterson case. In 2002, Californian Scott Peterson killed his 8-months pregnant wife and their unborn son who was posthumously named Conner. The US cause celebre resulted in the passage of the federal unborn victims of violence act that recognized both the existence of the child before birth and his legal rights.

The newspaper stories about the case have been unusual in that mention is often being made that not only Liana but her unborn child was killed as well.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072007.html
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It sounds as though Canada may be gearing up to pass a law for the unborn child. If it is normally not mentioned in the media that a person was pregnant, then suddenly they begin mentioning it, that may be indicative of a behind the scenes push to get public support for such a law.
 
mysteriew said:
It sounds as though Canada may be gearing up to pass a law for the unborn child. If it is normally not mentioned in the media that a person was pregnant, then suddenly they begin mentioning it, that may be indicative of a behind the scenes push to get public support for such a law.
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Well in this case it would have to be part of it since being 4 months pregnant could be part of what sent her missing...I dont agree that its not mentioned-not sure why he said that ..anyhow-it seems to me there should be a law to charge people who kill pregnant women if not with 2 murders then special curcumstances.
The thing they have to protect is making sure women who abort their fetuss dont get charged with murder.
If it happens to a woman by anyone but herself I agree.(meaning by a qualified doctor-knowing all the variables).
 
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