Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Gina20]

I see. Do you guys know where this information came from BTW?

AS, I believe, described a rocky home life for Bryer.

 

[Schmoosh]

True, though if he were caught doing that, I'd say he would instantly lose his mod privileges. Also, not sure how games work, but the sites I have been staff on, you don't have access to personal information for other users.


It's been stated he was a moderator, but I cannot remember the source. His Steam his account is private and shows no indication of what he played. FWIW, I remember someone on an old thread saying which game he was a mod for, but I have no idea which thread it was. It's back there aways because it was several days ago, if I recall correctly.

I'm not a gamer so I don't know how their boards work, but when I modded a couple of boards, IP addresses and personal email addresses were available. That was a while ago too. I can't remember if Kam was more of an administrator-type mod, in which case he may have had more info than a mod would.

Someone who's more knowledgeable in these things can perhaps clue us in

 

[dameagatha]

Thank you. People who camp will have matches. That just means campers have matches.

Except that their car was on fire. So it also means as campers with matches they had a means to light the car on fire. The evidence that they did surrounded the car while it was still engulfed in flames.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I'm not a gamer so I don't know how their boards work, but when I modded a couple of boards, IP addresses and personal email addresses were available. That was a while ago too. I can't remember if Kam was more of an administrator-type mod, in which case he may have had more info than a mod would.

Someone who's more knowledgeable in these things can perhaps clue us in

If we’re talking about Steam, which I use, I’d be pretty astounded if ordinary moderators have access to personal information.

 

[Schmoosh]

This is so obvious as to be simple, and maybe it has been addressed. But wouldn't fingerprints in and on the blue van link B&K to the murders of L&C? I'm sure the teens' fingerprints were collected when RCMP went to their homes to search their computers, belongings, etc.

Yes, fingerprints would link them IF they'd had fin

With all this discussion about the fact 13-year-old BS said he would chop someone's head off, it is interesting to me how times have changed. When I was at junior school in the UK, a boy who was a bit of a trouble maker threatened to boil me alive and do various other nasty things to body parts. My response was to tell him I would do something equally obnoxious to him with a pair of scissors. We were 10 years old and the last time I checked, he was a very well respected MP for the Labour party. The teachers wouldn't have cared two hoots and my mother laughed at it. FF to now and all this is taken very seriously and is a marker for aberrant behaviour later in life. I thought about why this is and came to the conclusion that back then, violence was very rare, there was no Internet showing us ghastly stuff (and how to do it), no video games and this was "silly talk" based in imagination and fantasy. A lot of famous fairy tale books were utterly repulsive, one involving watering a severed head in a flower pot which everyone understood was fiction. I mention this as my reaction to that girl's comments about BS saying he'd cut someone's head off was "How ridiculous to link this to his being a suspect in two murders and charged in another." But we cannot underestimate how kids may be influenced by the times, video games included. The very first violence I heard as a young person was in 1960 when a 10-year-old girl guide called Brenda Nash was murdered and found in a ditch. Then, of course, the moors murders. Violence was around, but so rare. Not sure what relevance this has but I really feel that the normalization of violence and murder has a lot to do with these kids' behaviour although it doesn't excuse it.

Well that explains Brexit! LOL

 

[Zella]

I'm not a gamer so I don't know how their boards work, but when I modded a couple of boards, IP addresses and personal email addresses were available. That was a while ago too. I can't remember if Kam was more of an administrator-type mod, in which case he may have had more info than a mod would.

Someone who's more knowledgeable in these things can perhaps clue us in

Ah, okay! The site I was on, that sort of information was kept away from staff, but we were a forum of history dorks. LOL Gaming modding may be very different, but I would be quite appalled if my info like that was available to the entire staff of a website.

In general, though, the websites I have been involved with, being a moderator indicates the person has proven themselves responsible and trust-worthy and behavioral violations from them are treated more severely due to their position, so if he were doing that and caught, I'd say Kam would likely end up banned, not just from being a mod but from the site in general.

Edited to add: BS seemed pretty chatty with other gamers. I think he could easily have gleaned enough from that to figure out who they were and dox them with that info alone.

 

[Schmoosh]

Not without high grades in core courses.

Nope, not in Ontario. But again, this was years ago.

 

[otto]

True, though if he were caught doing that, I'd say he would instantly lose his mod privileges. Also, not sure how games work, but the sites I have been staff on, you don't have access to personal information for other users.

It's been stated he was a moderator, but I cannot remember the source. His Steam his account is private and shows no indication of what he played. FWIW, I remember someone on an old thread saying which game he was a mod for, but I have no idea which thread it was. It's back there aways because it was several days ago, if I recall correctly.

IP address and email address are visible, and one can do a lot with that little bit of information.

 

[Zella]

IP address and email address are visible, and one can do a lot with that little bit of information.

Confirms the paranoia that makes me use VPN services and burner email accounts. LOL

 

[Schmoosh]

Ah, okay! The site I was on, that sort of information was kept away from staff, but we were a forum of history dorks. LOL Gaming modding may be very different, but I would be quite appalled if my info like that was available to the entire staff of a website.

In general, though, the websites I have been involved with, being a moderator indicates the person has proven themselves responsible and trust-worthy and behavioral violations from them are treated more severely due to their position, so if he were doing that and caught, I'd say Kam would likely end up banned, not just from being a mod but from the site in general.

Edited to add: BS seemed pretty chatty with other gamers. I think he could easily have gleaned enough from that to figure out who they were and dox them with that info alone.

That all makes sense, thanks!

 

[Gina20]

It is a tugboat log and barge towing company on the waters - I think they travel a long distance along the coast on boats probably even as far as Prince Rupert north and to Vancouver/Victoria in the south. Timberrose Tug & Barge.

So Port Alberni is a port on the ocean with boats. Good to know. Wink.

 

[Snoop Sister]

IRC KM was a moderator allegedly on the game RUST. Not sure of the link but it was previously discussed on here.

 

[10ofRods]

Yes, and all that aside let's not forget Kam's father has a highly successful and lucrative business in which no doubt Kam could have easily worked with a great wage.

So...let's also now look at millenials. Having a regular job is not high on the list of "wanted things" for many many of them. "Van life" is the new normal. Tiny houses. Living at home until age 30 or older. Gig economy. Seasonal jobs in a variety of places, allowing travel. Couch surfing. Total disdain for the regular economy. Entire forums of young people devoted to living on $5000US per year (and saving as much of that as possible). Very much like the 60's generation (tune in, turn on, drop out). Today's generation must have internet access (easily gotten) and a phone with cellular data, but that's about it (and for the most part, their parents will pay for that indefinitely).

Suicide is on the rise in that group. Their sense that things are collapsing is exaggerated, but I do think their chances of owning their own home, with a bedroom for each kid and at least two bathrooms is...very much in doubt.

I see students whose parents die and now 4 kids and their families are living in the parental home (often in disharmony) and trying to make ends meet. They still have more square feet per person than someone living in an apartment in Beijing or even Tokyo. They have cars and gadgets. They have to participate in the cash economy to keep their phones and pay utilities (although so many know workarounds, it's amazing to me).

Their existential dilemma: Why do humans bother to do anything, when most of it is destroying the planet and no one cares that polar bears are going to be extinct and that gorillas are being poached? That's the question I get, all the time. Why bother?

Someone deep in that mindset usually also dislikes and avoids people who have the opposite worldview. And they may hate more than one type of people: people who are in the regular economy (for sure) and people who are outside it (like Chynna and Lucas) but who are positive, happy and having a good time. They also hate rich people, capitalists, baby boomers (for stealing all the resources), foreigners (for stealing their local resources), all politicians, the judicial system and, of course, LE. They are very sex-divided these days, as well. While there are certainly girl/women gamers, it is largely a male domain; and while there are certainly girl survivalists, that's largely a male preoccupation. Rates of teen sex keep dropping. Girls are totally not interested, too many risks and the boys are unkind and not at all chivalrous (some girls don't mind that...but many girls/women do, so engaging with the opposite sex becomes one more thing you can fail at...so why do it?)

I'm not saying they were incels. At all. But I am saying that it would be hard to pick out these two in a sea swimming with similar worldviews, including some that are much more hostile. SO many kids go through a phase where they are wannabe Nazis or Communists or Ninjas or Mafiosi or Drug Lords or...I'm sure I'm behind the times, but you get the picture.

If they did turn out to be incels (and let's say, they were of the worst sort of incel), then that would be very interesting. Someone will write a book some day, I'm thinking.

 

[Gina20]

I think its goes without saying because I've mentioned Alternative Program twice in my comment that is what the acronym refers to, and yes I know the difference between an Alternative Program and an Advanced Placement program in the BC school system, I worked in mgmt as well was a trustee/board chair for 10 additional years.

Not saying you don't know, just that things have gone off the skids for several pages here for less. And my smiley didn't show up.

#2326

 

[ldlager]

RCMP have said that there is evidence connecting the 3 murders. People can choose to believe it, or do doubt the statement pending proof that what they are saying is true.

I think the concern expressed by some here is will the proof of what the RCMP is saying ever be made public so that the public can judge?

 

[Schmoosh]

So Port Alberni is a port on the ocean with boats. Good to know. Wink.

Port Alberni isn't on the ocean, per se. It's quite aways inland on Vancouver Island, but it has access to the Pacific Ocean

Google Maps

 

[dameagatha]

Correct. It's an "Or". We don't know.

And you think this happened to them twice within 5 days of each other?

Some people don’t have very good luck. Or, they burned their own vehicles.

 

[Kiantra]

I know it’s against the rules to post the LINK but I went to Australia 60 minutes FB page. There is new footage of AS and BS. One with BS on the ground holding a gun.
If this is not ok to post and is completely irrelevant please delete.

 

[otto]

Nope, not in Ontario. But again, this was years ago.

In any case, Kam and Bryer had opportunity to pursue many different career options. What they were missing was a passion for something other than gaming, and an acceptance that virtual game interaction should not be the same as reality.

Someone should have disconnected the wifi when they saw how obsessed and addicted they were to gaming.

 

[Schmoosh]

So...let's also now look at millenials. Having a regular job is not high on the list of "wanted things" for many many of them. "Van life" is the new normal. Tiny houses. Living at home until age 30 or older. Gig economy. Seasonal jobs in a variety of places, allowing travel. Couch surfing. Total disdain for the regular economy. Entire forums of young people devoted to living on $5000US per year (and saving as much of that as possible). Very much like the 60's generation (tune in, turn on, drop out). Today's generation must have internet access (easily gotten) and a phone with cellular data, but that's about it (and for the most part, their parents will pay for that indefinitely).

Suicide is on the rise in that group. Their sense that things are collapsing is exaggerated, but I do think their chances of owning their own home, with a bedroom for each kid and at least two bathrooms is...very much in doubt.

I see students whose parents die and now 4 kids and their families are living in the parental home (often in disharmony) and trying to make ends meet. They still have more square feet per person than someone living in an apartment in Beijing or even Tokyo. They have cars and gadgets. They have to participate in the cash economy to keep their phones and pay utilities (although so many know workarounds, it's amazing to me).

Their existential dilemma: Why do humans bother to do anything, when most of it is destroying the planet and no one cares that polar bears are going to be extinct and that gorillas are being poached? That's the question I get, all the time. Why bother?

Someone deep in that mindset usually also dislikes and avoids people who have the opposite worldview. And they may hate more than one type of people: people who are in the regular economy (for sure) and people who are outside it (like Chynna and Lucas) but who are positive, happy and having a good time. They also hate rich people, capitalists, baby boomers (for stealing all the resources), foreigners (for stealing their local resources), all politicians, the judicial system and, of course, LE. They are very sex-divided these days, as well. While there are certainly girl/women gamers, it is largely a male domain; and while there are certainly girl survivalists, that's largely a male preoccupation. Rates of teen sex keep dropping. Girls are totally not interested, too many risks and the boys are unkind and not at all chivalrous (some girls don't mind that...but many girls/women do, so engaging with the opposite sex becomes one more thing you can fail at...so why do it?)

I'm not saying they were incels. At all. But I am saying that it would be hard to pick out these two in a sea swimming with similar worldviews, including some that are much more hostile. SO many kids go through a phase where they are wannabe Nazis or Communists or Ninjas or Mafiosi or Drug Lords or...I'm sure I'm behind the times, but you get the picture.

If they did turn out to be incels (and let's say, they were of the worst sort of incel), then that would be very interesting. Someone will write a book some day, I'm thinking.

And thus susceptible to current forces trying to get them into hating politicians/loving a gun culture/militia-group-think culture more than the average teenager ten years ago.