Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

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scrappinkat said:
Now there’s apparently someone who says they saw them buying a (just one despite being found with two) rifle? Why on earth was this talked about now, and not like day two or three??? Can’t tell me that people on Port Alberni were unaware of the news story.

https://www.vancouverislandfreedail...left-cellphone-video-before-they-died-family/
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Whaaaaaaat? I agree with you that I'm surprised this was never reported before (though maybe it wasn't to avoid jeopardizing the investigation). Also interesting it is coming from a PA newspaper reporter. I've been checking that website with some regularity and don't really remember any original reporting about the case.

Now that I've regained my mind--if this is true, that means one of them had the PAL thing, right, to buy it at a store?

Also, I noted it says the witness was on his way home to PA. So, did the sale not happen in PA?
 
scrappinkat said:
Now there’s apparently someone who says they saw them buying a (just one despite being found with two) rifle? Why on earth was this talked about now, and not like day two or three??? Can’t tell me that people on Port Alberni were unaware of the news story.

https://www.vancouverislandfreedail...left-cellphone-video-before-they-died-family/
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A Port Alberni resident who spoke with the Alberni Valley News said he was on his way home to Port Alberni when he happened to stop in the store where McLeod and Schmegelsky purchased a hunting rifle before their trip.

“I watched as the clerk shared his expertise and advised on the best cartridges to use, matched a hunting rifle to their budgets and made the sale,” he said.

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Well there you go. I felt all along it was far easier to buy a legal gun than a stolen one. The great gun mystery is now solved.
 
scrappinkat said:
Now there’s apparently someone who says they saw them buying a (just one despite being found with two) rifle? Why on earth was this talked about now, and not like day two or three??? Can’t tell me that people on Port Alberni were unaware of the news story.

https://www.vancouverislandfreedail...left-cellphone-video-before-they-died-family/
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Wow!!! Hmmm....it makes me think that this is how the RCMP declared them suspects in the first place. I'm gonna speculate that the Mounties knew about the gun purchase (if it's true) shortly after the two were declared missing.
 
scrappinkat said:
Now there’s apparently someone who says they saw them buying a (just one despite being found with two) rifle? Why on earth was this talked about now, and not like day two or three??? Can’t tell me that people on Port Alberni were unaware of the news story.

https://www.vancouverislandfreedail...left-cellphone-video-before-they-died-family/
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If this is true and someone actually let Bryer get a gun license...I have no words.

EDIT: Actually on second thought, I have a lot of words. I don't think I'm allowed to say them here though.
 
To me, this reveal about the rifle shows a great deal of premeditation. I'm not seeing anything legal to hunt in BC in July (Hunting Regulation). I wonder if they lied to the clerk about when their trip would be and made it seem like it would be later in the year.
 
NJSleuth91 said:
If this is true and someone actually let Bryer get a gun license...I have no words.

EDIT: Actually on second thought, I have a lot of words. I don't think I'm allowed to say them here though.
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Ha, same here.

Edit. Just thought of something. Remember how AS said that his son did not have a gun and that he didn't want to say something that would offend Kam's family?
 
I don't mean to imply that I'm right and everybody else is wrong about their intentionality. They seemed singularly focused on their death (IMO) to the exclusion of all else. With this video asked for their remains to be handled a certain way (maybe buried together?) seems to fit a pattern of having very specific plans for their death to the exclusion of how this whole episode affected any one else. Nothing else seems important to them. Very weird and hard to understand. This message from beyond the grave to the family to make certain arrangements seems very cruel. They either didn't get that or didn't care. Very self obsessed. I think they wanted a certain scenario, but when didn't get it they went for plan b. This makes more sense to me. But maybe I want to see sense and rationality, even of a crazy sort, where there is none. I'm only trying to fit the puzzle pieces together, but appreciate that others see it differently.
 
Zella said:
Whaaaaaaat? I agree with you that I'm surprised this was never reported before (though maybe it wasn't to avoid jeopardizing the investigation). Also interesting it is coming from a PA newspaper reporter. I've been checking that website with some regularity and don't really remember any original reporting about the case.

Now that I've regained my mind--if this is true, that means one of them had the PAL thing, right, to buy it at a store?

Also, I noted it says the witness was on his way home to PA. So, did the sale not happen in PA?
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Yes, could be they bought it in Nanaimo?
 
Bluedaisy100 said:
I don't mean to imply that I'm right and everybody else is wrong about their intentionality. They seemed singularly focused on their death (IMO) to the exclusion of all else. With this video asked for their remains to be handled a certain way (maybe buried together?) seems to fit a pattern of having very specific plans for their death to the exclusion of how this whole episode affected any one else. Nothing else seems important to them. Very weird and hard to understand. This message from beyond the grave to the family to make certain arrangements seems very cruel. They either didn't get that or didn't care. Very self obsessed. I think they wanted a certain scenario, but when didn't get it they went for plan b. This makes more sense to me. But maybe I want to see sense and rationality, even of a crazy sort, where there is none. I'm only trying to fit the puzzle pieces together, but appreciate that others see it differently.
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Only 30 seconds of the video were released. We don't know what else they said or how long the video was. It's very possible the rest of the video contains a confession which is why it wasn't released because it's still being processed as evidence.
 
Zella said:
Also, depending on what they told the clerk they were hunting, they might have had a rather large caliber rifle. That might explain the wounds to CD's face. :( MOO
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Large caliber is a relative term. It also depends on what type of bullets are used. Some will go right through and other are designed to mushroom on impact, and then others are meant to enter and then expand. A hunting rifle would most likely be .243 up to 30.06 or even .308. Even a shotgun could be called a hunting rifle.

To fire six shots (rumoured amount of of casings at Fowler/Deese crime scene would mean they had to reload, unless it was bolt action or unless it was a .22. Also shooting six times would most likely have resulted in the two victims being further apart if it was a large caliber, due to bigger caliber greater recoil.
 
My guess is if one of them had a legit PAL, it would be Kam, not Bryer. I was looking at the requirements--which I know our kind Canadian friends have told us on here a bunch of times, but I couldn't remember squat--and it says classes are required. Since Bryer didn't have a license, I'd think it would be harder for him to attend those while Kam would have more freedom of movement with his own vehicle. Of course, I suppose he could have driven Bryer over there, but my money is still on Kam being the one with the PAL.

I really don't think the clerk would have sold them something without a license, with it being a legitimate store.
 
Optics said:
Why choose Bryer? I think it was likely Kam because he is older.
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I'm pretty sure both of them would have had to have one, in order to both be in the store purchasing the gun. I mean, I know when two young people buy alcohol they both get carded even if only one is actually buying, so it's probably the same for guns, I assume?

I mentioned Bryer specifically because there was a public post on his Instagram at the time, which was under his real name, with a gun in his mouth...like, seriously?!
 
scrappinkat said:
Large caliber is a relative term. It also depends on what type of bullets are used. Some will go right through and other are designed to mushroom on impact, and then others are meant to enter and then expand. A hunting rifle would most likely be .243 up to 30.06 or even .308. Even a shotgun could be called a hunting rifle.

To fire six shots (rumoured amount of of casings at Fowler/Deese crime scene would mean they had to reload, unless it was bolt action or unless it was a .22. Also shooting six times would most likely have resulted in the two victims being further apart if it was a large caliber, due to bigger caliber greater recoil.
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True.

I come from a family of hunters, though I must confess am not aware of what is common for hunting in Canada as opposed to here, and was just wondering if they claimed they were going to be hunting something larger than deer. I'd personally not consider a shotgun a hunting rifle, though it definitely is used for hunting.
 
NJSleuth91 said:
If this is true and someone actually let Bryer get a gun license...I have no words.

EDIT: Actually on second thought, I have a lot of words. I don't think I'm allowed to say them here though.
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I am in the US and so very ignorant of what is needed to get a license in Canada, but if he did the class and paid the fees, what would there need to have been for them to not allow him the license? I see the person in the comments on the article talk about needing references. Who are you allowed to use for them and what would be the type of things they would ask? Basically we have hindsight, but if you take things away that we know that would be potential warning flags, what would there have been with him to not allow a PAL?
 
NJSleuth91 said:
I'm pretty sure both of them would have had to have one, in order to both be in the store purchasing the gun. I mean, I know when two young people buy alcohol they both get carded even if only one is actually buying, so it's probably the same for guns, I assume
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No it’s not like that. It’s just the person asking to hold/look at and then buy the rifle that needs to have a valid PAL. It is allowable to have friends with you that don't have PAL.
 
NJSleuth91 said:
Sorry, but I just don't see it.



If only they had learned to appreciate all the good they had in their lives (which includes their friendship with each other) before they went out and gunned down innocent people.
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Bryer in particular had spoken graphically about suicide for years. There is no way that Kam was not aware or not on board with that. They were always going to kill themselves. It was about how they would do it. They were beyond reasoning or feeling remorse for the pain they inflicted on others. JMO
 
NJSleuth91 said:
I'm pretty sure both of them would have had to have one, in order to both be in the store purchasing the gun. I mean, I know when two young people buy alcohol they both get carded even if only one is actually buying, so it's probably the same for guns, I assume?

I mentioned Bryer specifically because there was a public post on his Instagram at the time, which was under his real name, with a gun in his mouth...like, seriously?!
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Well in BC in terms of alcohol the drinking age is 19 years , so Kam had access. Though once they entered Alberta the age there is 18 yrs. But usually you need some ID for buying a gun I assume, and Kam would have had a drivers license, even a passport, but I don't think Bryer had that. It will definitely be interesting to hopefully learn where both guns came from.
 
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