Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #21

[ldlager]

BBM
Probably because the gun used in the suicides was found beside Kam.

Except that b could have shot himself first then kam could have picked up the gun and then shot himself.

 

[Ondeckc]

I am curious if Bryer's fingerprints were on the trigger of the gun that Kam purchased.

 

[Trooper]

Perfect summary of this brutal saga. I will say, @Trooper, you called this case from the get-go.

Actually Jan, I didn't . I was very concerned when the burnt out K and B truck was found, I hoped those poor young blokes were safe, having hitched a ride after their car was torched, that they'd got away. ( I suspected poor Denise the Menace US fugitive )
It was the disparity between the body of the elderly gentleman found 2 kls away, and the inability to nail down where his vehicle was that the penny dropped, as it had long before that for the Mounties, being able to do registration stuff, etc.

So I was no crystal baller, far from. .

I will say I had no trouble accepting that K and B were the killers of L and C and Prof D instantly after that, as these things are not unique. K and B were no originals, and young men do this with what seems like monotonous regularity all around the world in this century.

 

[NJSleuth91]

RCMP suggests the old rifle was put together by BS, over several years. But there is no concrete evidence, probably because he assembled it secretly.

The hundreds of 1975 vintage bullets were probably taken from a retired hunter or veteran. RCMP will check, in case others have same idea.

Did it really say "over several years"? If so that's pretty insane, and raises the question of why nobody noticed in all that time.

SBM

I believe that by dropping some of their possessions along the shoreline, not too far from their bodies, was their thinking (aka deep faith) of a guarantee that they "would" be found. JMO

ETA: Upon further thinking (a dangerous thing for me ) I don't believe that they thought the Mounties would "get their men". I think their final act was one great big F-U to the RCMP that they did NOT get their men ...... they got the "bodies" and could do nothing further to them than just that.

I always thought the dropping of possessions was on purpose to lead the RCMP to their bodies. Otherwise, how would anyone know about the videos?

In the report it shows a photo of the two sks guns. On the new one purchased by Kam the bolt carrier is closed. In the photo of the older weapon that was assembled by parts from multiple guns, the carrier is open. Is anyone familiar with the time the photo was taken. By the looks of the older gun, I wonder is it was even fired. If anyone knows, would the photo of the guns be taken just as they found them?

It said in the report both guns were used to shoot Lucas and Chynna.

 

[JoshuaTree]

oh brilliant!. a sort of Hansel and Gretel effect! well spotted.

oh. that is just awful. awful. I bet that is EXACTLY what the process was.

I also edited my post to state further speculation ...... just in case you're interested

 

[Ondeckc]

RCMP suggests the old rifle was put together by BS, over several years. But there is no concrete evidence, probably because he assembled it secretly.

The hundreds of 1975 vintage bullets were probably taken from a retired hunter or veteran. RCMP will check, in case others have same idea.

Or possibly the casings were used as reloads multiple times depending on the quality of the ammo.

 

[Ondeckc]

Did it really say "over several years"? If so that's pretty insane, and raises the question of why nobody noticed in all that time.

Thank you


I always thought the dropping of possessions was on purpose to lead the RCMP to their bodies. Otherwise, how would anyone know about the videos?



It said in the report both guns were used to shoot Lucas and Chynna.

 

[ktm44]

Hmmm. Any ideas about the 2nd gun -- investigators said the rifle parts featured different serial numbers of unknown origin...

Who built it-- Kam or Bryer or did they acquire on black market?

It would be difficult to speculate. Several years ago, those old SKS's became popular because they were cheap to buy. I have always been told that someone discovered cases of them warehoused, some intact and some damaged.


There are ligitmate reasons it was pieced together. It's not uncommon for hunters and marksmen to modify their firearms but typically, they change triggers to their specifications or barrels on used firearms that may be damaged. It could have been legally purchased collector since it's not illegal to repair a firearm.

It could have been something stolen and modified to prevent tracing back to it's owner, it could something Breyer found and restored with the help of youtube or it could be something he bought off the street but they're pretty expensive.

Over the years, I've seen several old SKS's that owners brought home after military service, disabled them and display or store them. Perhaps Breyer knew of one stashed away someplace that a family member or friend's family had long since forgotten.

There are specific parts that would require a PAL and others that would not but I prefer not disclose because I'd rather not contribute to helpful hints that can already be found on the internet.

 

[ldlager]

From my old pal, Hunter.

Bry and Kam should have realized this one...

“If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up.”
― Hunter S. Thompson

 

[Trooper]

Is it to be believed that AS didn't know about Bryer's real rifle? .

He went to a great deal of explanation about how he wanted his son to be happy and play in the woods, with his pals, and to do that, he needed an Airsoft, and it cost $100 , or something like that, a big outlay for Al, and the other kids had them, and Bryer was thrilled and it kept him out doors, contented and occupied and all that. He even said, every kid does this, or wants this, people buy airsoft's for their kids all over, for the warfare games.

Nothing what . so. ever. about Bryer building his own fully operative rifle.

quick edit. AS, recall, also said he would never give his son a real rifle, never, never, he would have nothing to do with that kind of stuff.

 

[Iwondertoo]

RCMP suggests the old rifle was put together by BS, over several years. But there is no concrete evidence, probably because he assembled it secretly.

The hundreds of 1975 vintage bullets were probably taken from a retired hunter or veteran. RCMP will check, in case others have same idea.

I did not hear the RCMP ever suggest the old rifle belonged to or was put together by BS. They simply said it was found with the suspects and had been made from pieces from various guns. Do you have a source for this statement?

 

[JoshuaTree]

I always thought the dropping of possessions was on purpose to lead the RCMP to their bodies. Otherwise, how would anyone know about the videos?

Exactly! Otherwise, why even bother making the videos?

I also think that it is a wonderful blessing that they were NOT smart enough to have kept/acquired a mobile device to have uploaded those videos to God knows where!!

 

[NJSleuth91]

Exactly! Otherwise, why even bother making the videos?

I also think that it is a wonderful blessing that they were NOT smart enough to have kept/acquired a mobile device to have uploaded those videos to God knows where!!

I don't think they would have been able to. The videos were recorded in an area with no cell service.

What's weird though is that the camera came from Professor Dyck. So it's possible they didn't even intend to record videos at first and then were like "sure, since we have a camera, why not." Because obviously they wouldn't have known that they would come into possession of a camera.

 

[JoshuaTree]

I did not hear the RCMP ever suggest the old rifle belonged to or was put together by BS. They simply said it was found with the suspects and had been made from pieces from various guns. Do you have a source for this statement?

RCMP have not publicly confirmed

"Still, Leamon explained, Al Schmegelsky wants more information, including on how his son came to possess what RCMP described to him as an “assault rifle” that Bryer apparently built on his own, Leamon said. (The RCMP declined to elaborate on either the specifics of Bryer’s death or the specifics of the firearm).'
B.C. teen killers hatched plan to hijack a boat and escape to Africa. It ended in suicide instead

 

[JoshuaTree]

I don't think they would have been able to. The videos were recorded in an area with no cell service.

What's weird though is that the camera came from Professor Dyck. So it's possible they didn't even intend to record videos at first and then were like "sure, since we have a camera, why not." Because obviously they wouldn't have known that they would come into possession of a camera.

Very valid point!!

 

[Trooper]

'come into possession of a camera?.... '....---->


Well. Usually, it's called stealing. Theft. Possession is something you own legitimately..

'Since they had a camera, why not?'..... Translation, for the normal reader, ----> "we have stolen a man's camera whom we murdered for the hell of it, and now, since he is 2kls back along the road, dead as a mackerel and we are sitting pretty in his nice vehicle, and he cant stop us, equipped with useful things, like this camera, then, yes, we will use it, why not? it doesn't bother us to use stolen goods. '

Thieving was their default position.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yes, everyone knows they stole it. And Professor Dyck's car and many of his other possessions. And some of Lucas and Chynna's possessions. And they also brutally murdered three innocent people. At this point I don't think a single person reading this thread is unaware of that.

Point is I'm not sure if they initially planned to make videos or just decided to while they were already in medias res. Probably another reason why the RCMP can't determine motive or the extent of planning.

 

[Iwondertoo]

RCMP have not publicly confirmed

"Still, Leamon explained, Al Schmegelsky wants more information, including on how his son came to possess what RCMP described to him as an “assault rifle” that Bryer apparently built on his own, Leamon said. (The RCMP declined to elaborate on either the specifics of Bryer’s death or the specifics of the firearm).'
B.C. teen killers hatched plan to hijack a boat and escape to Africa. It ended in suicide instead

Yes, that quote from AS lawyer is the only suggestion I've ever heard that it might have been BS's. I don't put much weight to her thoughts or assumptions.

I don't think the RCMP have ever stated they know where it came from or who built it. As a matter of fact, they specifically said they don't know where it came from during the presser. Either of the suspects could have acquired it.

 

[JoshuaTree]

Yes, that quote from AS lawyer is the only suggestion I've ever heard that it might have been BS's. I don't put much weight to her thoughts or assumptions.

I don't think the RCMP have ever stated they know where it came from. As a matter of fact, they specifically said they don't know where it came from during the presser. Either of the suspects could have acquired it.

Exactly. Thus my saying "RCMP have not confirmed", before I posted the link of the source of where the statement came from.

 

[LoisLane]

RCMP suggests the old rifle was put together by BS, over several years. But there is no concrete evidence, probably because he assembled it secretly.

The hundreds of 1975 vintage bullets were probably taken from a retired hunter or veteran. RCMP will check, in case others have same idea.

Maybe now that the detail of this gun is public it will prompt someone to realize theirs is missing. Maybe someone who wouldn’t have realized a connection,
like a nearby neighbour.

Hopefully some of these details in the report can generate a few more leads and tie up loose ends.