CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #3

[enelram]

https://infotel.ca/newsitem/father-...cts-son-will-go-out-in-blaze-of-glory/it64300

Interesting article I just found. I live in BC and most of my family is from Winnipeg so we’ve been following the story very closely.

I totally agree with everything BS's dad has said
about his son's psychological pain.
And I also agree this whole plan was a suicide
mission with no hope of ending up alive.
BS was an orphan at 5 yrs. old and raised himself on video games. His father is right on.

 

[MassGuy]

I truly believe any family member finding themselves in a horrible situation such as this should just zip it. It takes the emphasis off the suspect and displaces it like some kind of sideshow onto others.

You’re right, they’re dealing with a lot of emotions such as shock, trauma, guilt and anger. They don’t have the benefit of a media relations professional telling them what to say and what not to say. It’s probably the first time in this mans life he’s ever spoken to the media and what a horrific reason.

Yeah. I just find it hard not to be frustrated by the language he used, and the things he didn’t say.

The priority should be ensuring that there are no more victims, and an impassioned plea to his son could only help with that.

Odds are they won’t stop, but there’s nothing to lose by atleast making an effort.

 

[Scoobysnack]

A lot of catching up to do for me... morning !

 

[MistyWaters]

https://infotel.ca/newsitem/father-...cts-son-will-go-out-in-blaze-of-glory/it64300

More words from Schmegelsky father from article linked above:

"He hasn't been nurtured. He doesn't have a driver's licence. He never learned to ride a bike. He craved love and affection," he said. "His influences haven't been good. His influences have been YouTube and video games."

"He loved strategy and battle video games, in particular, Schmegelsky said, and two years ago his son asked for an airsoft gun for Christmas. Schmegelsky bought it for him and the teen and his friends would "battle" each other in the woods, he said".

"Schmegelsky said his son doesn't own any real guns and doesn't know how to drive. [BBM] He worked at the Port Alberni Walmart after graduating from high school earlier this year, but was disappointed with the job and told his dad he was setting off to Alberta with McLeod to look for work".

The father recalled that his son bought a nice black suit with his second paycheque from Walmart.

"Now I realize it's his funeral suit." [BBM]

Karm McLeod's father, Keith McLeod, hung up when reached by phone on Wednesday.

In Gillam, the deputy mayor said residents are locking their doors earlier than usual. John McDonald said residents are used to seeing strangers come and go from Manitoba Hydro projects, but they're paying closer attention to faces since the release of photos of the suspects and word Tuesday that they may be in the area.

Extra officers have been brought in for a search focused about 70 kilometres northwest of the town near Fox Lake Cree Nation, where Chief Walter Spence has said police would be patrolling.

Police set up a checkstop at an intersection on the only road leading into Gillam.

McDonald said if McLeod and Schmegelsky are there, they are in country known for its thick bush, swamps and pesky insects, and where it's easy to get lost.

"If they are wandering around in the bush, they couldn't have picked a worse time because the sandflies came out three days ago and they're just voracious," he said Wednesday.

"I'm quite sure they'll be more than happy to have someone find them."

“McDonald said if McLeod and Schmegelsky are there, they are in country known for its thick bush, swamps and pesky insects, and where it's easy to get lost.

"If they are wandering around in the bush, they couldn't have picked a worse time because the sandflies came out three days ago and they're just voracious," he said Wednesday.

"I'm quite sure they'll be more than happy to have someone find them."...”

From your link, this person stated it so well. Nothing of life in Port Alberni or driving around northern BC would prepare them for the realities of living in the bush.

 

[afitzy]

Thanks for this posting

It really gives a different perspective on the kind of travel conditions they’ve got themsleves into.

Wonder why they ditched the Rav4. They arent going anywhere out of there without a vehicle

Excellent pictures of the burned out RAV4 and update of the on the ground situation in gillam area.
Car found burned in Gillam area used by suspects in B.C. murders: RCMP

 

[BearCatSafari]

I'll echo those of you who have expressed distaste with the father's words. It gives his son's actions a sentimental Jesse James-esque feel which is exactly how many if not all of these people who mentally defect and go on killing sprees want their awful actions to come across.

That father may not know how to better express himself but that statement from him is shameful. I realise that may sound harsh of me.

 

[Herat]

Hmm. That is one very TERSE statement.

Stickley and Assiniboine, east of 18 (No. 10) isn't too far from the Brandon Police Service

There is also a major Canadian Forces Base Shilo 35 km east of Brandon

 

[KMouse]

In a remote community that size everybody knows everybody and I agree, somebody would notice a missing vehicle. They may also have ran out of cash by now and any credit or debit cards available to them have likely been blocked.

How far can they have walked from the burned RAV4? I think the RCMP may know more than they’re saying. If they’ve isolated the suspects and nobody else is in danger they may just be biding time prior to intending to facilitate a peaceful arrest.

I could be wrong but from what was stated at the PC this afternoon I got the feeling the end will come soon.

Hopefully the police have had Hydro and Highways check to ensure all their trucks and off road vehicles are accounted for.

 

[afitzy]

“McDonald said if McLeod and Schmegelsky are there, they are in country known for its thick bush, swamps and pesky insects, and where it's easy to get lost.

"If they are wandering around in the bush, they couldn't have picked a worse time because the sandflies came out three days ago and they're just voracious," he said Wednesday.

"I'm quite sure they'll be more than happy to have someone find them."...”

From your link, this person stated it so well. Nothing of life in Port Alberni or driving around northern BC would prepare them for the realities of living in the bush.

Reading these statements from the father is absolutely heartbreaking. I agree with the posters that suggested not speaking with the media. But this father is clearly in distress and its tough to watch this all play out. I hope that this man and his family get support from local social services as nothing would prepare a family for going through this experience. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

Up north I think there are a few unmapped dirt roads, but yes it's pretty sparse outside of town, especially so if you go off north of the TransCan or yellowhead

Many dirt roads in the northern part of the provinces are logging roads, leading nowhere.

 

[BearCatSafari]

More info here that I hadn't seen before, including a "real-life video game" comment by Bryer's father. The dad bought the camo outfit to encourage outdoor activity by his son.

B.C. murder suspects still at large after ditching vehicle in northern Manitoba

“We now have a more recent confirmed sighting in Gillam, Manitoba,” RCMP Sgt. Janelle Shoihet said late Tuesday.

Supporting the idea they may have never left Gillam, hence the increased LE presence.

 

[katydid23]

Yeah. I just find it hard not to be frustrated by the language he used, and the things he didn’t say.

The priority should be ensuring that there are no more victims, and an impassioned plea to his son could only help with that.

Odds are they won’t stop, but there’s nothing to lose by atleast making an effort.

YES. He could have said ' I LOVE YOU SON, please stop and let's figure this out...'

It really bothered me the way Dad said ' he never learned to ride a bike, or drive a car' ---Hey, isn't that the Dad's job? Why didn't he make sure he learned those important things?

And Dad said he craved love and attention but never received it. Again, why not? Isnt that a Dad's responsibility too?

It's like the Dad was quietly blaming the Mother for the boy's issues, and ignoring his own responsibility for this nightmare.

 

[Vern]

Very telling that Bryer's father suddenly changed his story about his "good boy" son on a simple roadtrip with his buddy, to his son being on a suicide mission, having no drivers license and having bought a "nice black suit" , that he now believes his son intended for his own funeral, with one of his Walmart paychecks. Interesting and also very sad.

Mind you, hind sight is 20/20. To be fair to dad, those comments were made when his son was only a missing person. Now that son is a confirmed suspect and not where he told family he would be, doing what he told family he was doing, dad may be revisiting any signs of problems that he may have missed before.

That's absolutely common in things such as these, "now that we look back, there may have been signs that we missed."

Sad indeed.

 

[3blue1pink]

The fact is NO ONE knows how they will act what they would say or do until it happens to you . My guess is that these people ( the family ) are dysfunctional as a whole and don’t live life the way that a lot of us do , this probably exacerbating an already sick individual(s) mental health . I realize that these guys are likely killers and I have no sympathy for them . However , seems like the dad is admitting ( confessing) his sins to his son via media because he will never see him again . Not saying that’s best for society just a possible explanation for his comments .

 

[Inthedetails]

Thanks for this posting

It really gives a different perspective on the kind of travel conditions they’ve got themsleves into.

Wonder why they ditched the Rav4. They arent going anywhere out of there without a vehicle

I think they might have tried to take it off road and it got stuck, so they had to abandon it. Might as well burn it too for fun. That means they are on foot.

My other theory is they already had a back-up car and ditched the Rav4 and burned it for the thrill of it.

jmo

 

[FactFinder3000]

Agreed.

And “I’m sorry all this bad to happen,” isn’t great messaging.

It happened because his son wanted this to happen, not because he was forced to kill innocent people.

It’s one thing to have a fatalistic attitude, but another to express it publicly.

He’s confused, grieving, and likely in shock.

Doesn’t mean I have to like it though.

I highly doubt that comment was directed at his son. It doesn't really make sense that way. It sounds directed to the general public.

 

[Snoop Sister]

The setting of the car on fire in Gillam seems far too amateur for even the most ignorant of criminals. Either they didn't care and felt destroying evidence outweighed the obvious sign of their presence, or, and what I feel is more likely, is that they used it as a signal to bring in a heavy police presence before they disappeared into the woods in hopes of igniting an altercation with LE. Out with a bang kind of thing.

I hope I'm wrong but that's my theory.

The car fire wasn’t set in Gillam,,,in was near a reserve about 90 kms away from Gillam iirc

 

[MistyWaters]

Unfortunately, I think dad is right. I just hope LE can get them cornered so they don't damage anyone other than themselves.

ETA, and thinking about this a bit more his dad's statement pisses me off. He should have made a plea to his son to give it up. As it is, it sounds like he is glorifying it.

If the two youth are able to read online pleas via cellphone, I think police would certainly be able to establish their exact location. But by now their cellphone batteries have probably died, if they’ve been hiding out in the bush since Monday.

 

[Vern]

“We now have a more recent confirmed sighting in Gillam, Manitoba,” RCMP Sgt. Janelle Shoihet said late Tuesday.

Supporting the idea they may have never left Gillam, hence the increased LE presence.

In the context that she said it though:

They were seen in Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan, on July 21, driving the grey 2011 Toyota RAV 4 before moving east to Manitoba.

“We now have a more recent confirmed sighting in Gillam, Manitoba,” RCMP Sgt. Janelle Shoihet said late Tuesday. "Our investigators are sharing information with investigators in Manitoba but confirms our belief that they were continuing to travel and the renewed importance of not focussing on one particular area but instead our efforts to locate them.”

I'm taking that confirmed sighting in Gillam as "being more recent" than the sighting of them in Meadow Lake on 21 July. That would be the day the vehicle was found burned, so two days ago. I'm hoping they didn't make it out of there, but they may have.

 

[jeb jeb]

If the two youth are able to read online pleas via cellphone, I think police would certainly be able to establish their exact location. But by now their cellphone batteries have probably died, if they’ve been hiding out in the bush since Monday.

I would be very surprised if there is any cellular coverage in this region.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

That ia far cry from when he said said they were just two good boys on an adventure.

I’m thinking he has talked to LE and and was told the evidence that led them to name the boys as suspects. He has a better understanding of the situation. This is definitely not anyone’s adventure.