CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #3

[Zella]

I can't find any information online about the response at all. It seems weird to be so radio silent during a large scale response. In either case, if a murder is caught Canada will be a safer place.

I'm not Canadian, but I get the impression their law enforcement is tighter lipped about operations and investigations than we are on America, maybe?

Also it is the middle of the night, so that might be a factor too.

 

[missy1974]

Ontario has lots of lakes, cabins, small towns, farms and highways. If they made it to Ontario, it's just like BC - fish in a barrel.

Right, but once they hit Gillam, getting to Ontario is just not that easy from there, IF they were even able to get out of there before the RCMP caught up with them. The RCMP is sending all these resources there and I am not convinced they are even still there, it seems like they had a window of time to get out.

 

[SilentSentry]

I'm on another group and a women posted a photo of the RCMPs emergency response team (swat) deployment to Dauphin MB. Dauphin and Gillam are a fair distance apart. Still, though it was worth asking about to see if anyone has heard of a connection. I honestly can't find anything online but have seen the photo personally.

They could be backup in the event that the suspects fly the coop. The RCMP has multiple ERT teams stations all over canada. It would only be prudent to keep some closer to the other avenues of escape in the event the suspect leave or have already left gillam. Committing so many resources to gillam is an obvious risk, given that its a long drive back south if the suspects are no longer there

 

[otto]

I'm on another group and a women posted a photo of the RCMPs emergency response team (swat) deployment to Dauphin MB. Dauphin and Gillam are a fair distance apart. Still, though it was worth asking about to see if anyone has heard of a connection. I honestly can't find anything online but have seen the photo personally.

Were they heading South then?

 

[Snoop Sister]

I'm not Canadian, but I get the impression their law enforcement is tighter lipped about operations and investigations than we are on America, maybe?

Also it is the middle of the night, so that might be a factor too.

I am amazed at the number of press conferences given so far....very rare for RCMP. But, yes they are tight lipped.

 

[MistyWaters]

I was lost understanding a strike has anything to do with two teens on a thrill kill rampage across Canada.

It doesn’t. I replied to the topic of a discussion about Port Alberni in general.

 

[missy1974]

The Island is beautiful .... culture shock for them in Northern Manitoba.

My son was supposed to go out there and play football.... then he remembered he is a prairie boy and decided not to LOL So if I'm thinking like an 18/19 yr old teenager, I tend to think they would gravitate towards home, although, these boys are not 'typical' IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I am amazed at the number of press conferences given so far....very rare for RCMP. But, yes they are tight lipped.

I agree it sure is rare, there’s been a PC almost every day.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Right, but once they hit Gillam, getting to Ontario is just not that easy from there, IF they were even able to get out of there before the RCMP caught up with them. The RCMP is sending all these resources there and I am not convinced they are even still there, it seems like they had a window of time to get out.

They have had since Monday night to leave that area.

 

[otto]

My son was supposed to go out there and play football.... then he remembered he is a prairie boy and decided not to LOL So if I'm thinking like an 18/19 yr old teenager, I tend to think they would gravitate towards home, although, these boys are not 'typical' IMO

Home is Port Alberni, BC. They are heading East from BC to Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and either they will apparently die of bug bites, be arrested, be eaten by polar bars, or they are long gone.

 

[Seattle1]

Job action? What's going on?
The community will support the suspects' family if unions are doing what?

OK @otto - time for a break!

There is no mention of the suspects' family in this 2 week old article. bbm

The Steel Workers Union is on strike-- entering 3rd week against Western Forest Products (WFP), and the saw mills are quiet.

Other union employees including Nurse's were standing the picket line with them in support.

Strike affecting 3,000 employees and/or 200 local families in the community.

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm not Canadian, but I get the impression their law enforcement is tighter lipped about operations and investigations than we are on America, maybe?

Also it is the middle of the night, so that might be a factor too.

There’s differences that make it so. One is our police hierarchy (ie chiefs) aren’t elected positions therefore the aspect of public perception and satisfying the electorate doesn’t come into play.

 

[missy1974]

I'm not Canadian, but I get the impression their law enforcement is tighter lipped about operations and investigations than we are on America, maybe?

Also it is the middle of the night, so that might be a factor too.

Very tight lipped and now that they have been charged, they will not give much information at all. I think right now they are doing press conferences just because they can't find them. They need all the help they can get. Once they are found, they will not give us much info and we will not hear much until their preliminary hearings.

 

[SilentSentry]

Were they heading South then?

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If the information is correct it is likely precautionary, there is still a build up of resources northeast of the pas and the last confirmed sighting was in gillam. The police would not likely have wanted to miss the 11pm news if they had an additional confirmed sighting so close to a city like winnipeg.

 

[Zella]

There’s differences that make it so. One is our police hierarchy (ie chiefs) aren’t elected positions therefore the aspect of public perception and satisfying the electorate doesn’t come into play.

In my experience, though, American police chiefs aren't necessarily elected either, so I think it goes beyond that. It's often an appointed position. Ditto for the FBI--they are certainly not elected. An American sheriff usually is, of course.

 

[missy1974]

For those not in Canada.... it is not unusual for publication bans to be put in place in higher profile cases.

What is a publication ban?
A publication ban is an order the Court makes that prevents anyone from publishing, broadcasting, or sending any information that could identify a victim, witness, or other person who participates in the criminal justice system. The publication ban is intended to allow victims, witnesses, and others to participate in the justice system without suffering negative consequences.

Publication Bans

 

[Snoop Sister]

For those not in Canada.... it is not unusual for publication bans to be put in place in higher profile cases.

What is a publication ban?
A publication ban is an order the Court makes that prevents anyone from publishing, broadcasting, or sending any information that could identify a victim, witness, or other person who participates in the criminal justice system. The publication ban is intended to allow victims, witnesses, and others to participate in the justice system without suffering negative consequences.

Publication Bans

Don’t they have pub bans in the US or Aus?

 

[SilentSentry]

I'm not Canadian, but I get the impression their law enforcement is tighter lipped about operations and investigations than we are on America, maybe?

Also it is the middle of the night, so that might be a factor too.

Its important to be able to find a jury who is impartial and doesn't have preconceived notions of the defendants or the evidence.

You only have to look as far as Dellen Millard's last trial where he asked for a bench trial, due to the press coverage from his first two and how he felt that may have made it impossible to find an impartial jury with little to no knowledge of his previous crimes and convictions.

We are very careful about that stuff here

 

[Ruprect]

They have had since Monday night to leave that area.

Well, up until the area was locked down. Not exactly sure on the timeline but I sense they had plenty of time to travel before that happened and could be anywhere now. There is doubt however because there seems to have been no reports of a stolen vehicle unless it involved another homicide and its not been discovered yet. I don't think they would be hiding in the bush as that's a no win situation and I think they would know that. Just my opinion.

 

[missy1974]

In my experience, though, American police chiefs aren't necessarily elected either, so I think it goes beyond that. It's often an appointed position. Ditto for the FBI--they are certainly not elected. An American sheriff usually is, of course.

District Attorney's are also elected there though, right?

I usually follow American cases because we typically get more info. Canadian cases are not as easy to follow because we have a situation like this and then when they are caught, LE shuts up. We will not get much info for months, maybe even years, and that will be preliminary hearings and possibly trial. And even that is different.... it's trial by tweet lol There are no live streamed trials here.