Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #8

[Trooper]

Thought someone else was killed or something or someone killed their dog. Thank you for the clarification! I don’t watch too much television.

not the chien!

 

[StarryStarryNight]

RCMP statement that they could not substantiate the sighting

Thanks for the info!
I guess it’s hard to substantiate the sighting if you can’t catch them.
I certainly hope they’re not going to stop looking in that area.

 

[Moonlitnight]

my condolences

That is hilarious.

 

[3blue1pink]

The search wasn't LE, it was more like security guards checking for contraband. So they had no right to ask for registration and driver's licence. They searched the RAV and saw no weapon, but they were looking for alcohol and drugs.

If the article is correct it states that the constable for the Manitoba First Nations Police was the one to pull them over . This article makes them sounds like legit “Tribal Police “ , as we say in the US , not security guards .
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ocn-transitions-first-nations-police-service-1.5091661

 

[Estrojane]

Probably more the threatening to cut off his classmate's head that has us thinking this way.

He said that to the "girls" in his class when he was 13. Telling them he was going to kill them by decapitation and then showing them how he would hold a gun to his mouth to kill himself afterwards. Interesting.

 

[Snoop Sister]

not the chien!

Non? Lol too funny...I got mixed up. Btw, salut mon ami!

 

[LietKynes]

Marking my spot.
Sadly I have my doubts as to whether these two can be successfully rehabilitated and be fit for civilized society.

 

[Gina20]

This is exactly what I feel too. I feel every move was calculated, and it doesn't matter they don't have the gun - My gut tells me they probably still have that knife they were so thrilled about buying.

Body armour and rifle fire: bad.

 

[cody22]

IIRC, it was determined early on that the company that Lucas worked for had purchased the van when their business was located in Alberta before it moved to BC.

Someone else will correct me if my recollection is wrong.

That is correct....moo

 

[Andreee]

For the record: Woman saw man in heated exchange with slain tourist couple

Published Sunday, July 21, 2019 5:40PM PDT
Last Updated Monday, July 22, 2019 7:32PM PDT
A road worker in northern B.C. claims she saw a bearded man who appeared to be arguing with Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese on a remote stretch of the Alaska Highway just hours before the couple was found dead.

"To me he kind of looked frustrated or something," Alandra Hull told Nine News Australia about the Sunday evening encounter. “Like he was just kind of standing like this and just looking at them.”

She said the couple looked bothered by the man and the interaction made her uneasy.
“If you just get a bad feeling, and that’s what I had, you just don’t stop,” said Hull.

 

[Snoop Sister]

That was the witness interpretation.

 

[Gina20]

Mais je rêve! Good morning, mes amis..

Early Tuesday morning here in Sydney, in what we call winter, and you would call 'don't make me laugh'. Winter here means we put shoes on , instead of sandals.

Which brings me to this, their footwear. Their shoes/boots/ and socks must be in rags and tatters by now , surely. They cannot be carrying around replacement items like that, when all the energy has to be directed to food, the finding of it, the keeping of it, the eating of it. ….

They shopped military surplus, though.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

If the article is correct it states that the constable for the Manitoba First Nations Police was the one to pull them over . This article makes them sounds like legit “Tribal Police “ , as we say in the US , not security guards .
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ocn-transitions-first-nations-police-service-1.5091661

That article is about a First Nation taking over policing as part of self-government. It is a recent idea, takes a lot of training and money, and the York Factory Band is not there. If you are interested, do a search for a 2018 CBC article on the status of the programme in Manitoba.

The band personnel in this case are probably involved in enforcement of Band bylaws, such as those relating to alcohol on a dry reserve. The Daily Mail article describing them as RCMP officers is patently ridiculous.

 

[Gardenista]

The sighting sounded very credible. I don’t believe the patrol members lied, and doubt they mistook any kind of animals for people. If we accept that they saw two people rummaging in the dump and then flee into the bush, I also find it highly unlikely the the two people were anyone other than Kam and Bryer in the circumstances.

I live near a small First Nation community that has an open pit dump (used by Band members and other locals). No one goes there without a vehicle, and no one really rummages through it either (though they certainly wouldn’t be in trouble if they did). People do leave things that might be useful to others up on the side where you back your vehicle in to unload, and others will sometimes grab these things. The chances of encountering two people who run into the bush there are likely lower than those of being struck by lightning—on a normal day. With tensions as they are now up there, the chances of that being anyone else are even lower.

Hiding in the bush is both harder and easier than most would think. I don’t find it at all hard to believe that the suspects were sighted there and got far enough away to avoid the relatively small containment perimeter before it was setup. If they were in the vicinity of the lagoons, 20 min was certainly enough to get 500 m away from there before LE even arrived.And likely several times that.
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LE didn’t instantly have a perimeter setup on arrival either. And they weren’t able to use air assets for long due to wind. With some knowledge, hiding from FLIR is also doable. I somewhat doubt these guys have the appropriate gear to avoid it outside thick brush (needs to fully cover you in an insulated cloak to hide shape and lower heat signature), but even being under dense enough brush cover can do the trick (someone posted a video showing highway patrol tracking a suspect with FLIR that demonstrates this in an earlier thread).

If you know how far they could have gotten in the amount of time it took RCMP to get there, then it seems RCMP should know it too and should have set up a wider perimeter.

 

[steelybird]

Maybe they dug a trench or a big hole and are hiding in it? They can't just be running wildly through the bush can they? Hopefully at some point they get too bored/hungry/sick/cold and make another dump run. I really believe/hope that with all the resources put into this manhunt it has to come to an end soon.

 

[Xyzzia]

He does have a very specific skill set that could be an asset.

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[KR72]

DBM

I wonder how you can "see" an argument or people feeling uneasy while you're passing them on the highway? I'm not doubting the woman's feelings, just wondering how reliable that account truly is.

 

[Trooper]

Non? Lol too funny...I got mixed up. Btw, salut mon ami!

I just hate missing out on any contributions to this thread, but it is a working day for me, and if your post doesn't have a like from me, it probably means I missed it in my hopeless attempt to live in two worlds at the same time, and in different time zones. Consider yourself upticked by me , anyways!

I was confident that I would be woken up at some ungodly hour by my daughter on her way to swimming practice ( they do this in the dark, a terrible way to bring up kids ) to tell me she was, again, correct, her view all along, etc , etc, etc.. but no. We are both simply amazed , not only at the capacity to remain in the wild, but the desire to remain in the wild, without WiFi, cell phone, hot showers, 21st century plumbing, toilet paper, soap, toothpaste, and a home cooked hot meal. ..

Not that I think they are heroic, or even acceptable, quite the contrary, but it is interesting that the killing appears to have stopped. .. There-in is the puzzle. Why did it start, why did it stop. This is the only reason I would like these blokes captured alive, if any answer they could give could be believed.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Whatever they have, or not have, is keeping them out there on the move.

Well it would be pretty difficult to take those loads of gear and maps with them on foot after burning the RAV 4...

 

[scrappinkat]

Probably more the threatening to cut off his classmate's head that has us thinking this way.

Like I said before - there’s a good chance that they were bullied in high school for being different. One of them dropped out for a while and both ended up attending “alternative class” What better way to get kids to leave you alone and stop picking on you than to make them scared of you. (And no I don’t believe that telling a teacher/school official results in any preventions for further bullying).