Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #8

[Optics]

Well maybe another theory is that this appearance was the move. Duck, weave, disappear . Make yourself known at the dump , run into the woods, have the whole search relocate, planes, soldiers, RCMP...then move on to the next place seamlessly. Remember they are loaded with gear, they have many maps, which was observed from the search of the RAV.
These guys are leap frogging themselves out of dodge , staying one step ahead and giving them time to get their 75k trek to the next waypoint in a few days. If it is executed correctly it gives them time to move south or sideways. This might be the best game of catch me if you can, or a live video game we have ever seen. Remember, they are gamers, and gamers play their position until they feel they have an advantage whatever that is. This is millennial technology.

This is exactly what I feel too. I feel every move was calculated, and it doesn't matter they don't have the gun - My gut tells me they probably still have that knife they were so thrilled about buying.

 

[Snoop Sister]

He’s another one of those reality TV bounty hunters. Dresses/looks like a wrestler. A quick search will show more.

Thought someone else was killed or something or someone killed their dog. Thank you for the clarification! I don’t watch too much television.

 

[Estrojane]

Well maybe another theory is that this appearance was the move. Duck, weave, disappear . Make yourself known at the dump , run into the woods, have the whole search relocate, planes, soldiers, RCMP...then move on to the next place seamlessly. Remember they are loaded with gear, they have many maps, which was observed from the search of the RAV.
These guys are leap frogging themselves out of dodge , staying one step ahead and giving them time to get their 75k trek to the next waypoint in a few days. If it is executed correctly it gives them time to move south or sideways. This might be the best game of catch me if you can, or a live video game we have ever seen. Remember, they are gamers, and gamers play their position until they feel they have an advantage whatever that is. This is millennial technology.

Bryer's father said Kam and his son played war games in the woods for more than 2 years and are masters in camouflage. Bryer also played strategy based video games. It was their passion. I think their goal was to go 3-D. Looks like they are doing it. Bryer's favourite film/game is Lanius:Fallout.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

People need to realize that the Bear Clan Patrol is a Winnipeg outfit that in this context is sort of like Neighbourhood Watch. They are civilians, with no police training, and they do not live at York Landing.

I’d like to think that they could reliably spot two 6’4” white guys who don’t belong, especially if it’s true that the pair took off when they realized they were being noticed, but maybe not. Maybe these Bear Clan Patrol members are just ordinary people who were trying hard to please and got a little excited. Maybe they aren’t, as some may have hoped, Crocodile Dundee to the rescue.

Or maybe they did see something and McLeod and Schmegelsky are just doing a good job of hiding.

Sounds like it isn’t quite time to write off the professionals.

 

[SiciC]

Remember, they are gamers, and gamers play their position until they feel they have an advantage whatever that is. This is millennial technology.

Sitting on a couch in a warm house and clean clothes behind a screen is far different than surviving dangerous real life wilderness

 

[otto]

By accounts I've heard, it isn't a simple drive down the road to get to York Landing from Gillam. It's over 200km away. I don't think LE could get there in a simple twenty minutes unless they had officers already searching out near those parts.

Maybe a helicopter could travel the 90km in 20minutes?

 

[Herat]

May I ask who this is? Did I miss something again? Trying to keep up in this fast moving thread!

Dog, the Bounty Hunter was a US reality TV show about a real-life bounty hunter, Duane (Dog) Chapman and his wife Beth Chapman. They lived in Hawaii and they had a real business in Honolulu. Duane was the rough-shorn tough guy with the amazing terrible hairdo, but his beautiful wife Beth was just as tough and so incredibly smart. They made a charmingly appealing couple, and had their extended family along. They were always trying to get the crooks turned around, if they could, and give them some degree of hope. The series had some killer music and was actually well-done. For those of us who love Hawaii, it was fun to see a Hawaii-based series and see some local stuff. Terribly sadly, his wife Beth just passed away from cancer, and we all mourn for the family.

They might have had quite a go at these two kids.

 

[greenfern]

You would have thought the dogs would have found some trace of a campsite

It has been raining a lot lately. I imagine that affects their ability to track.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Dog, the Bounty Hunter was a US reality TV show about a real-life bounty hunter, Duane (Dog) Chapman and his wife Beth Chapman. The lived in Hawaii and they had a real business in Honolulu. Duane was the rough-shorn tough guy with the amazing terrible hairdo
, but his beautiful wife Beth was just as tough and so incredibly smart. They made a charmingly appealing couple, and had their extended family along. They were always trying to get the crooks turned around, if they could, and give them some degree of hope. For those of us who love Hawaii, it was fun to see a Hawaii-based series and see some local stuff. Terribly sadly, his wife Beth just passed away from cancer, and we all mourn for the family.

Thank you!

 

[Gina20]

There have been some criticisms of the aboriginal personnel, who were not RCMP, who checked for liquor last week.

I’d like to suggest that people consider that not all of the agencies involved in this case have the same authority. There is currently a live issue in Canada about giving bands who want it full policing authority. It is a complex subject. Here is a 2018 CBC article on the situation in Manitoba: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/first-nations-police-expansion-manitoba-1.4776424

There also may be confusion about the role of the Bear Clan Patrol. This organization is based in Winnipeg, and this is the first time that it has played a role in northern reserves. In very broad southern terms, it is analogous to Neighbourhood Watch. That understates the role that it wants to play, but it is close enough for the purpose of this discussion.

RCMP and other forces have special constables. Maybe this has already been said.

 

[Francie Starr]

For the record: Woman saw man in heated exchange with slain tourist couple

Published Sunday, July 21, 2019 5:40PM PDT
Last Updated Monday, July 22, 2019 7:32PM PDT
A road worker in northern B.C. claims she saw a bearded man who appeared to be arguing with Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese on a remote stretch of the Alaska Highway just hours before the couple was found dead.

"To me he kind of looked frustrated or something," Alandra Hull told Nine News Australia about the Sunday evening encounter. “Like he was just kind of standing like this and just looking at them.”

She said the couple looked bothered by the man and the interaction made her uneasy.
“If you just get a bad feeling, and that’s what I had, you just don’t stop,” said Hull.

 

[Estrojane]

Reminds me of Whack-a-Mole. Sorry. Carry on, fine people.

LE play Whack-a-Mole. Murderous Jackrabbits play Lanius:Fallout.

 

[Gina20]

So wearing camo shows a proclivity to a life of violence????

Probably more the threatening to cut off his classmate's head that has us thinking this way.

 

[ToneHound]

Thought someone else was killed or something or someone killed their dog. Thank you for the clarification! I don’t watch too much television.

LOL
You’re not missing much. He’ the reason I don’t watch much TV either (apologies to those who do).

 

[Trooper]

Mais je rêve! Good morning, mes amis..

Early Tuesday morning here in Sydney, in what we call winter, and you would call 'don't make me laugh'. Winter here means we put shoes on , instead of sandals.

Which brings me to this, their footwear. Their shoes/boots/ and socks must be in rags and tatters by now , surely. They cannot be carrying around replacement items like that, when all the energy has to be directed to food, the finding of it, the keeping of it, the eating of it. ….

 

[otto]

A few people have mentioned that they don't think that the suspects had a gun. RCMP have stated that the first two victims died of "gun violence," so the suspects had a gun.

 

[NorthernWild]

The sighting sounded very credible. I don’t believe the patrol members lied, and doubt they mistook any kind of animals for people. If we accept that they saw two people rummaging in the dump and then flee into the bush, I also find it highly unlikely the the two people were anyone other than Kam and Bryer in the circumstances.

I live near a small First Nation community that has an open pit dump (used by Band members and other locals). No one goes there without a vehicle, and no one really rummages through it either (though they certainly wouldn’t be in trouble if they did). People do leave things that might be useful to others up on the side where you back your vehicle in to unload, and others will sometimes grab these things. The chances of encountering two people who run into the bush there are likely lower than those of being struck by lightning—on a normal day. With tensions as they are now up there, the chances of that being anyone else are even lower.

Hiding in the bush is both harder and easier than most would think. I don’t find it at all hard to believe that the suspects were sighted there and got far enough away to avoid the relatively small containment perimeter before it was setup. If they were in the vicinity of the lagoons, 20 min was certainly enough to get 500 m away from there before LE even arrived.And likely several times that.

LE didn’t instantly have a perimeter setup on arrival either. And they weren’t able to use air assets for long due to wind. With some knowledge, hiding from FLIR is also doable. I somewhat doubt these guys have the appropriate gear to avoid it outside thick brush (needs to fully cover you in an insulated cloak to hide shape and lower heat signature), but even being under dense enough brush cover can do the trick (someone posted a video showing highway patrol tracking a suspect with FLIR that demonstrates this in an earlier thread).

 

[webbie]

but, the dogs did not pick up

most likely the family would have provided le with clothing and perhaps from items in the truck they burned

Why do I think these 2 young guys smell quite different today as clothes picked up at their homes? Will dogs be able to allow for increased "strong perfume"?
As for items from burned truck, I'm afraid they smell like burnt stuff and smoke, nothing more.
This being said, dogs can smell humans and chances are the humans they'll smell in the woods (if they ever do) are the ones everyone is looking for.

 

[ldlager]

For the record: Woman saw man in heated exchange with slain tourist couple

Published Sunday, July 21, 2019 5:40PM PDT
Last Updated Monday, July 22, 2019 7:32PM PDT
A road worker in northern B.C. claims she saw a bearded man who appeared to be arguing with Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese on a remote stretch of the Alaska Highway just hours before the couple was found dead.

"To me he kind of looked frustrated or something," Alandra Hull told Nine News Australia about the Sunday evening encounter. “Like he was just kind of standing like this and just looking at them.”

She said the couple looked bothered by the man and the interaction made her uneasy.
“If you just get a bad feeling, and that’s what I had, you just don’t stop,” said Hull.

Wasn't the other individual that was slain a "bearded man"?

 

[Herat]

LOL
You’re not missing much. He’ the reason I don’t watch much TV either (apologies to those who do).

Aw come on. It was 10,000 x better than the Kardashians