Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #8

[ld1891]

Anyone able to parse Mountie twitter speak for us: does this mean they can't find proof they were in York Landing or that they aren't even sure there was a sighting in York Landing?

This is a polite way of saying they have no evidence that there was even a sighting.

 

[SiciC]

Canadian policing at its best. The RAV4 didn't show up as stolen? Did they bother to check the plate? Check for ownership? If they were acting so sketchy, why didn't they check these basic things?

To be fair, he wasn't a police officer. He was a peace officer. I'm not sure they even have access to looking up plates and such. I don't know though so I can't say... but he wasn't an RCMP officer

 

[Castlinghigh]

Wait. Are they saying it wasn't them?

wow
that was fast??
in gillam they did an exhaustive search- here they seemed to do a 24hr search.I read from this that the spotted guys were not the suspects

 

[Satchie]

Canadian policing at its best. The RAV4 didn't show up as stolen? Did they bother to check the plate? Check for ownership? If they were acting so sketchy, why didn't they check these basic things?

They weren't police, same as Bear Clan aren't police. More like border control, checking for smugglers.

 

[gitana1]

Ha, that’s rubs me all sorts of wrong.

I hope the sentences are consecutive, when and if they are taken alive.

Severe sentences for murders are one of the reasons that serial killers are in decline.

They don’t get out in 25 years (or less), and go on to kill again.

That wasn’t the case decades ago.

Or is it DNA? I thought that was the reason for the decline. They're sort or stopped before they get started where before it was super hard to catch them.

I mean murderers have long received the death penalty and life in prison in the US. I can't recall an era here during which murderers were sentenced leniently so they could get out and do it again in the states.

 

[jamesbond]

Good evening,

If the suspects were killed by an animal(s), big or small, or died of injury, starvation etc. I presume they would be eaten by that or another animal (s).

If so, would there by any possibility of finding their bones, clothes etc.? or in some way locating their remains?

Thank you

 

[ld1891]

First somebody has to catch them..... The RCMP, Canadian Air Force, and First Nations patrols may be outmatched ?......moo

It is not hard to get lost in places like this. They will, eventually, either find their way back into a town - or they will die in the woods.

I don't fault and of the searchers. Airframes can only stay aloft for so long, and they are woefully undermanned. The example of the 600+ room facility comes to mind outside of Gillam. 20 people cannot clear a building like that. It would take a battalion methodically and deliberately going room to room, with link men in hallways and stairwells.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I think if ADHD meds caused violent behavior in the manner you're suggesting it would be Purge night every night everywhere.

In any event I looked up the insanity defense in CA and it looks like it is very similar to US laws but it is somewhere between what some states call guilty but mentally ill and not guilty by reason of insanity.

It looks like it's not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

However, it appears similar to here. Hard to mount a successful insanity defense and the person has to be pretty much psychotic.

So, dude with a history of psychosis who cuts off head of fellow bus rider and runs around in the bus yelling and holding the decapitated head for all to see? Insane.

Dudes who plan, evade and cover their crimes? Not insane.

Yes, in substance, the Canadian test is similar even if the process is different. Both countries, when it comes to criminal law, are rooted in English common law.

 

[ldlager]

Sure, but I’m not worried about that part.

These two don’t give a damn about innocent life, and will almost certainly remain dangerous for a long time.

Whatever happens with them, I hope the right decision is made, whatever that may be.

How do you know they don't give a damn about innocent life? How do you know they were involved in any murders at all? It remains for the Crown to prove its case (someday, if it ever gets to trial).

 

[MistyWaters]

wow. let's just not even bother with a trial; let's just kill them outright........

For sure, the best possible ending would be if they were to surrender. But the choice lies with them.

“Lee, who has studied mass killers, said killing sprees often begin as a "fun, adventurous prelude before either a suicide pact or a shootout with law enforcement.....

....As they get closer to catching the two men, police themselves may begin to feel the stress of a looming potential showdown.

"Police officers are well aware that when people are on the run and when they have this fight or flight mindset, the potential for retaliatory violence is extraordinarily high," Lee said...”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bc-killing-suspects-criminal-psychologists-1.5225458

 

[MassGuy]

Or is it DNA? I thought that was the reason for the decline. They're sort or stopped before they get started where before it was super hard to catch them.

I mean murderers have long received the death penalty and life imprison in the US. I can't recall an era here during which murderers were sentenced leniently so they could get out and do it again in the states.

I posted some studies on another thread.

DNA, technology, and longer prison sentences.

The longer prison sentences is relevant because a significant percentage of serial killers in past decades had previously served prison time for murder.

They’d be released, and go on to kill again.

The average number of murders was 5 before capture, but is now down to 2.

 

[dotr]

https://www.coastmountainnews.com/n...f-men-seen-in-york-landing-are-b-c-fugitives/
"A “thorough and exhaustive” search of the York Landing area has led to no signs of two men wanted for murder in northern B.C. as of Monday at noon."

"Cpl. Julie Courchaine said northern Manitoba’s rough terrain has made the search near York Landing challenging. The community remains on lockdown and Courchaine urged residents to lock their doors, cars and report any sightings to RCMP.

“Search area is very similar to Gillam… it’s northern Manitoba. There’s lots of forests, lots of muskeg, waterways,” she said.

“When we get a tip it’s not like you can just drive there in 20 minutes. We need flights, we need to get our members out there.”

 

[Gardenista]

This is a polite way of saying they have no evidence that there was even a sighting.

So RCMP got punked?

 

[Hatfield]

"Remember, honey. The partners that stick together, live forever."
Dick Hickok, In Cold Blood

JMO
When I learned these two have known each other since elementary school that is when I realized they would probably stick together and not ever separate.

This morning I began pondering that the less dominant one may hit his breaking point and not want to die out there afterall but I remembered one thing just now from one of the videos of them in a store.

The one who I envisioned was not the leader was dressed in camo. So I have a gut feeling that the guy in Camo may be the one that is loving the "living in the wilds" more than the other one. So I kind of changed my mind from this morning (lol) that I think these two will stick together to the bitter end.

The only thing that I think will make them separate is if one of them turns an ankle really bad or injures himself badly enough where the other one will be forced to leave him or force a confrontation with LE by letting their position be known.

The wearing of the Camo was a significant sign (to me) that that person really has jumped on this crime ridden bandwagon that the two of them are on. He was dressing the part and I am pretty sure his mind is in the part too. So if I guessed right that Camo guy is less of a leader than the other one, then it means they both are on this crazy train till the end.

 

[MassGuy]

How do you know they don't give a damn about innocent life? How do you know they were involved in any murders at all? It remains for the Crown to prove its case (someday, if it ever gets to trial).

People who care about innocent life don’t murder three people.

If we can’t express an opinion as to their guilt, why are we here?

It is the opinion of the RCMP that these two murdered three people.

It will have to be proven in court, but they certainly are not guessing.

 

[Andreee]

Canadian policing at its best. The RAV4 didn't show up as stolen? Did they bother to check the plate? Check for ownership? If they were acting so sketchy, why didn't they check these basic things?

Because it wasn't an RCMP perhaps, others are saying it was not. I do know that the RCMP is always armed, and the article says otherwise! Cray!

 

[Estrojane]

Still, the guy's account of stopping and searching the car is very interesting: survival gear and a lot of maps, no sign of a weapon.

Also, if getting stopped really freaked them out, maybe they were too scared to drive back the same way, in case they were recognized this time. Possibly explains why they abandoned the vehicle.

They could have stashed the weapon/s in the woods, before the checkpoint, and come back for it/them later.

 

[MistyWaters]

A big NEGATIVE. The journalist is a waste of skin - this guy is a local band peace officer, NOT a federal agent with the RCMP.

I hope he didn’t get paid by DM for writing that story. My understanding is in Canada only articles by free-lance reporters are featured by DM. How they know who they’re getting submissions from, I have no idea.

 

[Sillybilly]

Also on the topic of Canadian prison sentences.. They are incredibly more lenient than US. A "life sentence" in Canada is usually never more than 10-20 years, 25 at the most. Prison would be much more preferable to these two teen suspects than dying in the harsh woods. Three meals a day, clean clothing, showers, heat, a bed.... And because of their age and (assuming) lack of a prior criminal record, they could very likely see freedom again in 30 years or less. Even with three life sentences.
jmo.

Your reference to a "life sentence" being 25 years at the most is not accurate; 25 years for 1st degree murder is actually the parole eligibility period, meaning the individual cannot even apply for parole until then (or 10 to 15 years in the case of 2nd degree murder and as ordered by the sentencing judge).

IF they are successful in a parole bid, they remain under supervision for the rest of their lives.

And Canada now has the consecutive sentencing option for multiple murders. Technically for 3 murders a sentence could 3 x 25 = 75 years and the court can impose consecutive periods of parole ineligibility for each murder.

 

[cody22]

So RCMP got punked?

You forgot the Canadian Air Force and the First Nations Patrols too.....moo