Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #8

[Xyzzia]

enata D'Aliesio‏ @RenataDAliesio
Some York Landing residents believe the men went back into the woods. A 12-year-old girl told police she saw one of the men running through the bush behind her home. RCMP have found no trace of the suspects and sighting remains unsubstantiated #yorklanding #Canadamanhunt

5:49 PM - 29 Jul 2019 pst

The 12 year old girl seen one of them running through the bush. Really? She could have been seeing anything. Also she might be looking for attention?

 

[tcfpne]

"Shot dead with a gun" pretty strongly implies bullets. I can't think of a single other projectile that would kill two people with a gun. I don't believe the pellet gun theory.

I have to agree on the pellet gun theory. Canadian law about airgun/spring-piston/etc guns that shoot pellets are limited to 495feet per second (with pellet around 7.5gr)
A pellet gun of any kind more powerful than 495fps requires a PAL, which means you'd just get a firearm instead.

 

[Zella]

"Shot dead with a gun" pretty strongly implies bullets. I can't think of a single other projectile that would kill two people with a gun. I don't believe the pellet gun theory.

SBM

Agreed 100%! People get their eyes put out by pellet guns. They don't die from them (as a general rule). I did some research and about 4 people on average a year die from freak accidents with pellet guns, I think.

I have no idea where this idea is coming from that the statement from LE that they were the victims of gun violence is not clearly a reference to being shot to death. Of course, you could be beaten to death with the gun, but that's not really being a victim of gun violence. That's being a victim of bludgeoning!

 

[Xyzzia]

But again...where do they charge said phone? Surely they didn't buy it in the last 5-7 days? Are you also hypothesizing a solar charger? Why? They could have lots of things...but they could have been in both the Co-op and the dump to attempt to peruse newspaper headlines (as well as other reasons). I mean, we could do this all night.



"Shot dead with a gun" pretty strongly implies bullets. I can't think of a single other projectile that would kill two people with a gun. I don't believe the pellet gun theory.

Key word 'implies' .
And I don't believe the pellet gun Theory either. But I do know guns can be altered and manipulated to shoot a various projectiles.

 

[Paulette]

Even if they have a phone and a solar charger, who are they going to call?

 

[PaulR]

If they have any electronics, they could have an emergency radio which has a crank so you can power it without batteries. Some have shortwave too, most also have a flashlight which would come in handy. https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Shortwave-Weather-Emergency-Flashlight/dp/B078JLVZRK

This is pretty standard in a lot of emergency kits around the Pacific NW because of earthquake risk (and tsunami and volcanoes...)

 

[10ofRods]

Alexis Daish‏Verified account @LexiDaish
Danielle McMaster is a search volunteer with Bear Clan Patrol in York Landing - confirms one of the men spotted by her group of volunteers was wearing a camouflage shirt, like teen suspect Bryer Schmegelsky.@9NewsAUS

6:51 PM - 29 Jul 2019 pst

So...there's more than just one witness. There's also the 12 year old who was at home.

Thank you for posting this, Seattle.

 

[Seattle1]

Renata D'Aliesio‏ @RenataDAliesio
Our latest: Manhunt for B.C. teen fugitives moves on as RCMP end search in Manitoba First Nation @AndreaWoo @ianabailey @meltait

Manhunt for B.C. teen fugitives moves on as RCMP end search in Manitoba First Nation

7:28 PM - 29 Jul 2019 pst

 

[otto]

Understandably so, but a charge means absolutely nothing - it’s the conviction that counts. Meaning the evidence must prove without reasonable doubt- I am afraid they simply won’t have that IMO.

What they do have are two cocky teenagers who wish to glamorize warfare and utter threats to make themselves appear larger than they have been made to feel by their peers and families.

Again, IMO to play devils advocate and hopefully theorize this now defunct thread and return it to the concept of sleuthing.

The only thing police can do now is go back to the last known location of the suspects - the burned Rav4 - and start again. They can search the suspects' homes again, revisit their digital footprint, analyze what they did so far.

For example, their vehicle was pointing South at the double murder, but they drove North. The truck was 50 km South of Dease Lake, the murder victim was 2 km South of the burned truck. Did they murder Dr. Leonard Dyck, take his vehicle, drive both vehicles 2 km North of the body to burn the truck, and then drive South and East to Alberta? One thing we know is that they had a second transportation option before the destroyed the first.

I'm wondering if they do something with their vehicles that suggests one thing, and then they do the opposite. They left their vehicle NE of Gillam, suggesting that they are heading that direction, but maybe they had another ride lined up: the train heading South.

If they went South, it's unlikely they would head West (back home). That leaves East to Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Provinces. They would need a vehicle, and they would take backroads. Gas stations would be avoided. Ontario cottage country would be busy this time of year, but some are probably vacant.

 

[minn77]

Totally off topic but picture this. Small town lady and her two kids (18 and 13) decide to travel across 3 provinces to B.C. last minute road trip idea... ffwd to driving in Vancouver for the first time, lost downtown vancouver toss the boys a map and say tell me how to get to a main road... both kids laugh and whip out their phones... "mom just google it" neither of them were taught in school to read a map. They both were taught that night in the hotel. I didnt have a clue that wasnt taught anymore.

 

[puppyraiser]

But again...where do they charge said phone? Surely they didn't buy it in the last 5-7 days? Are you also hypothesizing a solar charger? Why? They could have lots of things...but they could have been in both the Co-op and the dump to attempt to peruse newspaper headlines (as well as other reasons). I mean, we could do this all night.



"Shot dead with a gun" pretty strongly implies bullets. I can't think of a single other projectile that would kill two people with a gun. I don't believe the pellet gun theory.

I was seeking info to see if it was at all possible to use some type of pre-paid/burner phone with data in a area of spotty coverage without being traced, that's all. I have a few small portable chargers that can and do charge a phone fairly quickly but never really paid attention to how long a charge would last before draining without use. Could easily fit 5 or 6 in a backpack pocket. Anyhow I'm done seeking phone info.

I agree the dump visit was probably for supplies or newpaper info

 

[otto]

Again they were shot dead. It didn't say with bullets. Gun violence. Again no bullets were stated... So we don't really know And the police are not saying. It's all speculation

When two people are shot, and there is gun violence, there is no reason to think that something different happened. A real gun was used to shoot them.

 

[tcfpne]

Even if they have a phone and a solar charger, who are they going to call?

Ghostbusters?

 

[Peace777]

YL, people and police looking earlier CTV News | News Video - Top National News Headlines - News Videos

 

[webbie]

So there is another suspect in the murder of the couple? RCMP receive tips on Texas murder suspect in connection with northern B.C. double homicide
This makes no sense. If KM and BM didn’t kill the couple than why burn their own truck only to kill LD for his car?

A lot of things posted here make no sense. Like the blokes ditching their guns while on the run AND being in inhospitable terrain where they have to know they very well might encounter wildlife.
Besides, they need their guns for the final act. After all they've been through, these two have no intention of surrendering quietly. They know life in prison awaits them when caught and I doubt that's part of their plan.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I think that they’re either dead or holed up someplace with enough supplies that they don’t have to show themselves in public.

In their position, and if I could get to the Manitoba/Ontario border, I would have headed out Lake of the Woods in a canoe. Good place to hide for a very long time, and a way to cross the US border.

 

[MistyWaters]

About B’s camo clothing, this was what his father had to say. I appreciate after the DM article about his apparent upcoming book, his reliability may be questionable but still, if true, there was something going in B’s head drawing him into a keen interest over WW2 that occurred over 70 years ago.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/schmegelsky-father-denies-neo-nazi-1.5227466

“Alan Schmegelsky said Thursday that his son took him to an army surplus store about eight months ago in his small Vancouver Island hometown of Port Alberni, B.C., where the teen was excited about the Nazi artifacts.

"I was disgusted and dragged him out," Schmegelsky said. "My grandparents fled the Ukraine with three small children during the Second World War.".....

.......Despite his son's fascination with the collectibles, Schmegelsky said he didn't believe his son identified as a neo-Nazi.

"He thought he was Russian. Germans are their enemies," he said....”

*****
June 6, 2019 was also the 75th anniversary of D-Day celebrated in Canada, perhaps in some places more than others.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/d-day-75th-anniversary-significance-1.5157473

 

[ldlager]

But again...where do they charge said phone? Surely they didn't buy it in the last 5-7 days? Are you also hypothesizing a solar charger? Why? They could have lots of things...but they could have been in both the Co-op and the dump to attempt to peruse newspaper headlines (as well as other reasons). I mean, we could do this all night.



"Shot dead with a gun" pretty strongly implies bullets. I can't think of a single other projectile that would kill two people with a gun. I don't believe the pellet gun theory.

Spear gun. Unlikely but possible I guess

 

[MassGuy]

A lot of things posted here make no sense. Like the blokes ditching their guns while on the run AND being in inhospitable terrain where they have to know they very well might encounter wildlife.
Besides, they need their guns for the final act. After all they've been through, these two have no intention of surrendering quietly. They know life in prison awaits them when caught and I doubt that's part of their plan.

Yeah, I can’t imagine these guys aren’t still armed.

That gun, or those guns, are the most important thing they have.

It gives them power, helps to ensure their survival, and may be part of their final act.

I just hope they’re out of rounds.

 

[Peace777]

Why not? The name of the game right now is survival while there is manhunt out for you.
How would you get to play more of the actual game if you starved in the first week? Or maybe they need some wire for something crucial. You think they should strictly follow a script?

Yep follow the script. Looking for wire? These guys are likely starving, but yes I guess wire to try to make a rabbit snare.