Canada - Sentry killed in War Memorial shooting, Ottawa, 22 Oct 2014

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Are all ISIS and ISIL children totally brainwashed with religion? Do the 14-19 year olds that are recruited on the internet to commit suicide missions have a foundation outside of the Middle East? Clearly we know that children are recruited from France, Canada, and USA to become slaves, and ultimately convinced to commit suicide and blow up others at the same time, but ...

What exactly is the push behind this "kill people in your own country who have different beliefs"? It's clearly not religion. Canada has no restrictions on religion and religious dress. People can wear the kirpan (a machete) while accompanying several women dressed head to toe in black cloth. No one cares what other people do ... presumably these people came here because they embrace the Canadian way of life ... live and let live.


I think it has little to do with religion and more of hell raising ... MOO ... I realize that is not a scientific answer.

What would make a young man who clearly had more advantages than some - private school and a comfortable life - do what he did yesterday on the Hill in Ottawa?

sex, money or power or wanting to be part of group?? those are usual drivers ....

in his case yesterday the mental health and substance abuse issues played a big role too

he was a misfit according to his mother's email.

he had been living in shelters both in BC as well as Ottawa, he was sleeping unauthorized in the Mosque in Burnaby (accessed with a stolen key and the Mosque changed the locks) ---
 
Until brass is convinced there is no risk to CF personnel, they are rethinking presence at the Memorial.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/military-assesses-future-of-ceremonial-guards-at-war-memorial-1.2067439

The seven year program was to be extended until 10 November but the death of the Reservist has ended that.

quoting retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie

''MacKenzie says he understands Canadian soldiers are "pissed off" by the attacks, and want to wear their uniforms out of pride, but doing so in public can make them targets.

"Until it's absolutely confirmed that there aren't a couple of copycats running around with weird ideas, best to keep a low profile," MacKenzie said. "The leadership has to say, 'Do we really want people wandering around with targets on their back, wearing their uniforms?'"

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/milita...uards-at-war-memorial-1.2067439#ixzz3H3AMru44

interesting ''coincidence''

The attack on Parliament Hill came on the same day Canada's CF-18 fighter jets left CFB Cold Lake to join the U.S.-led airstrikes against Islamic State militants in Iraq. The fighter pilots' names will be kept secret to protect their families from possible reprisals here in Canada.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/milita...uards-at-war-memorial-1.2067439#ixzz3H3BHe6Ry
 
REAL PURPOSE FOR CAR

This latest article contains a lot of new information

RCMP say that shooter had a well developed criminality:

''The man shot dead on Parliament Hill after killing a Canadian reservist at the National War Memorial had a “very developed” criminality, but did not set off any alarm bells when it came to national security, the RCMP said Thursday.

RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson said Michael Zehaf-Bibeau had a history of “violence, drugs and mental instability” before he killed Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and stormed inside Parliament’s Centre Block Wednesday.

The beige car Zehaf-Bibeau used on Wednesday was purchased the day before, Paulson said.

Paulson said the suspect had “intentions” for the car. “What those were, we aren’t sharing.”


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ottawa...developed-criminality-1.2067255#ixzz3H3EeLDv0
 
Yesterday I posted that a pic of the perp had appeared on twitter #Ottawa .. AFAIK it was the first pic of the perp, and was certainly the first pic I had seen prior to MSM picking it up. The account was not MSM so I didn't post a link but had a feeling the account/pic was in support of ISIS, and I wondered where the pic had originated.

Last nite (this morning) I heard on TV that a twitter account that showed bibeau's pic has been shut down.

??? Curious


This may not directly answer your question but apparently an email from the shooter was found in the email account of someone who was arrested on terror related offence.

"With a drug problem, a rap sheet and mental health issues, Zehaf-Bibeau would have been an easy recruit to Islamic extremism. Paulson told reporters that he had “extremist views” and an e-mail from Zehaf-Bibeau was found on the hard drive of a man arrested by RCMP for a terror-related offence."

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/23/canadian-resiliency-rises-to-the-fore

there's no content or date for clues....
 
You are totally correct. The distance is very short...certainly no more than 200 yards/metres. It does seem silly to have highjacked the car. I'm guessing it was because he wasn't thinking straight and was making it up as he went along, already losing touch with reality.

That is unreal Aussie. You guys would know , as watching I am thinking there maybe a dash more mental stuff going on here. How far away from where he carjacked and drove - total time of drive. Cause it struck me as a bit psycotic to carjack a car for a 25 foot drive. He had a jacket on could have just calmed walked there. In fact it seems that decision resulted in a quicker LE response than if he just calmly walked over. Total distance?


New (to me) Pieces of Information

Number of shots 2 or was it 3?

two shots that both hit Cirillo or one and the other shot Missed the other reservist?

The shooter fled in his Toyota immediately from the Memorial before jacking the 2nd car

First time that I have read any words uttered by the shooter.

"Cirillo was shot in the back with a 30/30 Winchester lever action rifle wielded by gunman Michael Zehaf-Bibeau. The coward then shot the unarmed reservist a second time and according to a witness, yelled, “For Iraq,” as he raised his firearm in triumph.

Not done, Zehaf-Bibeau was also hoping to kill Cpl. Branden Stevenson, the second honour guard on duty, but his shot fortunately missed before he fled the scene.

Stevenson gave chase but Zehaf-Bibeau had already taken off in the used Toyota he’d purchased just the day before. And so he rushed back to his wounded best friend and worked in vain with passersby to save his life."

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/23/canadian-resiliency-rises-to-the-fore
 
Harper hid in a cupboard for about 15 minutes during the attack as MPs sharpened flagpoles to use as spears. Liberal Senator Jim Munson told reporters that, unlike the UK and US, Canada does not have armed security outside parliament. "We've lost our innocence as a nation," he said.

became a homeless drug addict.............Zehaf-Bibeau was "lost and did not fit in".


Unlike other Canadian home-grown terrorist suspects, Mr Zehaf-Bibeau had no obvious web presence," adds the National Post. Police believe he turned to the black market to buy the Winchester 30-30 lever action rifle used

stayed at the Ottawa Mission, a local homeless shelter, before carrying out the attack

stayed at the Ottawa Mission, a local homeless shelter, before carrying out the attack. "He went on for more than an hour about how much this country sucked and how he wanted to get out of here, and he was furious about the passport,"

Zehaf-Bibeau was "desperate" to get hold of a car. He brought a brown Toyota Corolla the day before the attack. Police say he appeared to have "intentions" for the vehicle but have refused to give further details.

his friend was "mentally ill". He told the Globe and Mail: "We were having a conversation in a kitchen, and I don't know how he worded it: He said the devil is after him."

According to the 2011 psychiatric assessment, Zehaf-Bibeau wanted to go to jail to overcome his addiction to crack cocaine. "He has been a devoted Muslim for seven years and he believes he must spend time in jail as a sacrifice to pay for his mistakes in the past and he hopes to be a better man when he is eventually released,"

he told the judge himself: "I wanted to come to jail so I could clean up." One man who bonded with Zehaf-Bibeau at the Ottawa Mission in the weeks before the attack said he was using prayer to "heal himself from drugs" but that the temptation had overcome him. He believed Zehaf-Bibeau was "sharp-minded" and that his problems originated from drugs, not mental health problems.

Canadian Prime Minster Stephen Harper has described the attack as a "terrorist" act, but so far no group has come forward to claim responsibility. Harper said that it remains unclear whether the suspect acted alone. The BBC points out that the attack came just weeks after Canada announced plans to join the US-led campaign of air strikes against Islamic State. However, the Canadian government has said there is no evidence so far that he was linked to IS. ·

http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/60982/michael-zehaf-bibeau-gunman-furious-over-passport-delay


Canadian Chief of the Defense Tom Lawson clarifies that Canadian Forces members can wear uniforms in transit to and from work, but not shopping or in restaurants - @TerryReithCBC

Police: Ottawa shooter's mother told police yesterday that he wanted to go to Syria; police say if they'd known he would have been on watch list - live video

Police found Michael Zehaf-Bibeau's email on the hard drive of someone charged with a terrorism offense, authorities say - live video

ttawa police say investigation is focusing on how Michael Zehaf-Bibeau got a gun after being prohibited from having firearms - live video

Royal Canadian Mounted Police say they are now monitoring 93 high-risk travelers - live video

olice: At this point, police have not established a connection between Quebec hit-and-run and Ottawa attacks - live video

police: Ottawa shooting suspect was not one of 90 suspects considered high risk - live video

oyal Canadian Mounted Police say Ottawa shooting suspect Michael Zehaf-Bibeau may have held dual Canadian, Libyan citizenship - live video

Zehaf-Bibeau’s passport, meanwhile, hadn’t been revoked or his application rejected, but authorities had been investigating whether to grant him one,

Bibeau told him he had had a drug problem but had been clean for three months and was trying to steer clear of temptation by going to Libya.

Bibeau told him he had had a drug problem but had been clean for three months and was trying to steer clear of temptation by going to Libya.

2011, Zehaf-Bibeau went to a mosque and met a fellow attendee who hired him for a manual labor job at his family’s landscaping business, quit after two days,

Bathurst said his son didn’t see Zehaf-Bibeau again until six weeks ago and found “he was talking about the devil and talking about stuff that was pretty unhealthy. The real story here is mental illness.”

Zehaf-Bibeau’s email was found on the hard drive of someone charged with a terrorist-related offense, Paulson said. He didn’t say who and described the connection as tenuous.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2014/10/24/canada-shooting/17822905/

Canada's Foreign Minister has mentioned that there is no evidence linking Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the gunman who launched a terror attack in Ottawa Wednesday with the Islamic State group.

Canadian authorities Zehaf-Bibeau had a passport application delayed for the reason that of concerns about doable extremism

http://www.dailynewsen.com/politics...ays-canada039s-foreign-minister-h2793828.html
 
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MONTREAL—On the first day of summer, 1995, Susan Bibeau and her husband, Bulgasem Zehaf, walked into a Laval, Que., courthouse determined to right a wrong in the name of their 12-year-old son.

Joseph Paul Michael Bibeau came into the world in October 1982 but the couple, who had met less than a year before, split up before the birth. Bibeau, a bureaucrat, had withheld Zehaf’s name from their son’s birth certificate, according to a legal application to change his name. A short while later, they resolved their differences, then married.

On that day in 1995, the couple decided to give back to their young boy one half of his heritage.The boy’s decidedly Christian name was legally changed to Joseph Paul Michael Abdallah Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau

resurfaced on police radar was in 2011 in Vancouver’s skid row....., The address Zehaf-Bibeau gives is a world away from the suburban comfort in which he was raised: a Salvation Army emergency shelter, a magnet for transients, drug and alcohol abusers and the homeless.

rather possible mental illness,....... Last seen in a Burnaby, B.C., mosque in September, Zehaf-Bibeau spoke of wanting to travel to the Middle East for language and religious studies, Bathurst told The Globe and Mail.

Zehaf-Bibeau had substance abuse problems, moved around a lot ...By the summer of 2013, Zehaf-Bibeau had moved again.

Back then, Montreal resident Bari Malki peaked out of his suburban home across the road from the one that he says Zehaf-Bibeau’s parents, although legally divorced in 1999, still share.

Parked on the street was a dark-coloured Hummer. Scurrying around the luxury vehicle was a man with long dark hair, a white skullcap and wearing what he described as a typical Arab wardrobe.

Malki learned the man’s identity only when he turned on the news Wednesday and saw the photograph of a gun-toting Zehaf-Bibeau. He recalled the booming voice of the shooter’s father, Bulgasem Zehaf, urging his son to stop cleaning the vehicle because it wasn’t even dirty.

s investigating after a driving violation this summer was issued to the owner of the car Zehaf-Bibeau used to storm Parliament Hill. The beige Toyota was registered to a local Islamic centre. The ticket was issued long before Wednesday’s shooting.

Ottawa on Oct. 2, it appears Zehaf-Bibeau had fallen on hard times once again

, he checked into another shelter, this time on Waller Avenue, a short walk from Parliament Hill.

Residents said he had been staying there for about two weeks prior to Wednesday’s shooting.

His behaviour at the shelter was bizarre. He often bragged about having used crack cocaine and heroin, but was overtly religious.

“He’d be kneeling on a towel in the stairway and you’d have to step around him,” said one man who would identify himself only as Dave.“There’s a lot of people around here with issues that seem creepy sometimes

he was not placed on the list of the 93 so-called “high-risk travellers” that the RCMP and CSIS have under investigation.

His difficulty obtaining that travel document was likely “central to his motives........................

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...el_zehafbibeau_on_path_to_radicalization.html
 
The whole criminal history

criminal record includes 11 charges.

credit card fraud in Montreal and fines for drunk driving in Mont-Tremblant and assault in Laval.

theft and another six months for possession of a dangerous weapon in Saint-Jérôme

escaping custody twice and possession of marijuana and PCP.

mid 2005 and again in 2006, he was charged with marijuana possession in Montreal, for which he received first a small fine and, on the second occasion, another absolute discharge.

2011 in Vancouver and in custody after being charged with robbery and uttering threats.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...eau_had_long_list_of_runins_with_the_law.html
 
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MONTREAL—On the first day of summer, 1995, Susan Bibeau and her husband, Bulgasem Zehaf, walked into a Laval, Que., courthouse determined to right a wrong in the name of their 12-year-old son.

Joseph Paul Michael Bibeau came into the world in October 1982 but the couple, who had met less than a year before, split up before the birth. Bibeau, a bureaucrat, had withheld Zehaf’s name from their son’s birth certificate, according to a legal application to change his name. A short while later, they resolved their differences, then married.

On that day in 1995, the couple decided to give back to their young boy one half of his heritage.The boy’s decidedly Christian name was legally changed to Joseph Paul Michael Abdallah Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau

resurfaced on police radar was in 2011 in Vancouver’s skid row....., The address Zehaf-Bibeau gives is a world away from the suburban comfort in which he was raised: a Salvation Army emergency shelter, a magnet for transients, drug and alcohol abusers and the homeless.

rather possible mental illness,....... Last seen in a Burnaby, B.C., mosque in September, Zehaf-Bibeau spoke of wanting to travel to the Middle East for language and religious studies, Bathurst told The Globe and Mail.

Zehaf-Bibeau had substance abuse problems, moved around a lot ...By the summer of 2013, Zehaf-Bibeau had moved again.

Back then, Montreal resident Bari Malki peaked out of his suburban home across the road from the one that he says Zehaf-Bibeau’s parents, although legally divorced in 1999, still share.

Parked on the street was a dark-coloured Hummer. Scurrying around the luxury vehicle was a man with long dark hair, a white skullcap and wearing what he described as a typical Arab wardrobe.

Malki learned the man’s identity only when he turned on the news Wednesday and saw the photograph of a gun-toting Zehaf-Bibeau. He recalled the booming voice of the shooter’s father, Bulgasem Zehaf, urging his son to stop cleaning the vehicle because it wasn’t even dirty.

s investigating after a driving violation this summer was issued to the owner of the car Zehaf-Bibeau used to storm Parliament Hill. The beige Toyota was registered to a local Islamic centre. The ticket was issued long before Wednesday’s shooting.

Ottawa on Oct. 2, it appears Zehaf-Bibeau had fallen on hard times once again

, he checked into another shelter, this time on Waller Avenue, a short walk from Parliament Hill.

Residents said he had been staying there for about two weeks prior to Wednesday’s shooting.

His behaviour at the shelter was bizarre. He often bragged about having used crack cocaine and heroin, but was overtly religious.

“He’d be kneeling on a towel in the stairway and you’d have to step around him,” said one man who would identify himself only as Dave.“There’s a lot of people around here with issues that seem creepy sometimes

he was not placed on the list of the 93 so-called “high-risk travellers” that the RCMP and CSIS have under investigation.

His difficulty obtaining that travel document was likely “central to his motives........................

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...el_zehafbibeau_on_path_to_radicalization.html
I read that article and two things really stood out to me. His mother and father divorced in 1999 but according to their neighbor still live together and the neighbor saw him outside at his parents' with his dad just last year. Was the father meeting with him in secret the past five years or was the mother lying?
 
I read that article and two things really stood out to me. His mother and father divorced in 1999 but according to their neighbor still live together and the neighbor saw him outside at his parents' with his dad just last year. Was the father meeting with him in secret the past five years or was the mother lying?

That lept off the page for me too in addition to him compulsively detailing a black hummer ((who owned that and why was he washing it)).....sounds like he was bunking in in 2013??? or was he just visiting and Mom didn't know it??
 
Another article about the shooter and the days leading up to the shooting.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...21282240/?click=sf_globefb#dashboard/follows/

Maybe I am being naive, but I think there is a fine line between what is an organized terrorist attack and what is a mentally-ill, disenfranchised young adult who suffers from drug addiction going on a rampage. Extremist groups can feed into the drug-induced or psychotic breaks these individuals are experiencing. Yes it is organized manipulation, but perhaps it is also evidence that we need more resources dedication to mental illness to help from the other end. Unfortunately it's easier to garner support and resources for "terrorist" activities than it is to address systemic mental health issues.
http://cultmontreal.com/2014/10/radicalization-or-mental-illness/
 
Another article about the shooter and the days leading up to the shooting.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...21282240/?click=sf_globefb#dashboard/follows/

Maybe I am being naive, but I think there is a fine line between what is an organized terrorist attack and what is a mentally-ill, disenfranchised young adult who suffers from drug addiction going on a rampage. Extremist groups can feed into the drug-induced or psychotic breaks these individuals are experiencing. Yes it is organized manipulation, but perhaps it is also evidence that we need more resources dedication to mental illness to help from the other end. Unfortunately it's easier to garner support and resources for "terrorist" activities than it is to address systemic mental health issues.
http://cultmontreal.com/2014/10/radicalization-or-mental-illness/

ITA -- yes you have raised excellent points -- it is so difficult for those with the illness to seek help. This guy wanted to stay in jail in Vancouver so that he could kick his drug habit according to links provided upthread. I think he was aware he couldn't get the roof over his head and keep it together in a mainstream kind of way. He was in hospital in Burnaby and evaluated. The assessment was he was not mentally ill. So it is very frustrating. It looks LE tried their best in Vancouver and he fell through the cracks.
 
Another interesting article about the gun. It was not a semi-automatic, but a Winchester .30-30.

Unlike more modern rifles that can be reloaded with a clip or magazine containing multiple rounds, the Winchester, once empty, must be painstakingly reloaded round-by-round, inserting the cartridges into a small port on the side of the receiver. The process takes an experienced shooter about 30 seconds -- an eternity in the kind of shootout that took place inside Centre Block.

...

The RCMP confirmed yesterday that Zehaf-Bibeau fired three shots at the National War Memorial: two at Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and one at the other soldier in the honour guard.

That means he would have had a maximum of five shots left, and more likely four, when he headed for Parliament. Security camera pictures show that he did not pause to reload.

That fact may explain why Zehaf-Bibeau passed on two easy opportunities to kill people on Parliament Hill. First, he allowed the driver of a government car he hijacked to escape. A few seconds later, he exited the car at the front doors of Centre Block, only metres from a group of three individuals. Again, he did not open fire.

Had he shot those people, he would have been entering Parliament with an empty rifle.

If his attack was indeed inspired by ISIS propaganda, it seems unlikely that he would have been so discriminating in his choice of targets. ISIS spokesman Abu Muhammad al-Adnani specifically instructed the group's adherents in the West not to spare civilians, in a video message released last month.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa-shooting-where-did-michael-zehaf-bibeau-get-his-gun-1.2811249
 
Another interesting article about the gun. It was not a semi-automatic, but a Winchester .30-30.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa-shooting-where-did-michael-zehaf-bibeau-get-his-gun-1.2811249

What is absent is confirmation of the number of shells left in the rifle after the shooter was shot.

Weren't there reports of 3 people being injured (( have since been released from hospital))??

''Ottawa Civic Hospital confirmed four people were taken to hospital: the soldier who died, and three who were released after treatment for minor injuries. One of those injured was a parliamentary security guard shot in the foot, according to CBC's Judy Trinh."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-a-day-of-chaos-leaves-soldier-gunman-dead-1.2808710
 
Your safe! The longer posts I run through spell check! I opened all the windows. and let out the smoke from the spell checker!

Just speculation

Thats interesting – once a therapist always one! When I read about the car and his dad yelling to stop, that it was clean, I Immediately went to psychosis! They can get very focused, repetitive, and engage in a behavior relentlessly. Ii envisioned him intensely wiping the car. As ,ore information has come into focus I think we are talking about very serious mental concerns. This stuff is very hard on families.

By that I mean, if one thinks about, if a family member were cleaning a car of yours(!) or mine would any of us have an intense reaction – demanding one stop cleaning?? Hey the shinier the better!.Myself, I could never imagine myself demanding, anyone, STOP cleaning anything, at any time, in any circumstance!! Have at it! Enjoy! Fine with me, Keep cleaning! You want something else to clean!

You know what I mean!

But, it struck me as dads demand that he stop, was more about neighbors “seeing” Johnny behaving lay descriptor “crazy”.Dad did not want neighbors seeing his child endlessly and repetitively cleaning a vehicle that was obviously clean. Obviously just speculation, but as stuff emerges, it seems as if it was a family devastated by an ill child.


I also pondered if dad stayed there, as it relates to safety (IE mom afraid to be alone with him). They certainly can be quite frightening, violent, wildly impulsive and simply put dangerous es.. It is just stress full to be around anyone who is screaming and pacing, but to be around an individual who is believing he is being attacked by some entity, or you are that entity etc etc – very scary stuff.


Speculation, but the car washing episode triggered more notions that mental illness is a far bigger entity in this story. Him being "cleared" by a cursory evaluation years earlier means nothing. IMO The criteria to in vol commitment someone is very narrow, a lot of paperwork, does nothing to actually help the pt. They do have periods where they can be less obvious. Just my notions..


And mom is in a govt position, lets go back to what 15 years, mental illness was even more taboo – keep it secret – it explains the distance between the two of them – the 5 years etc. Even meeting in a public place for a reunion that had not occurred in half a century!


Maybe way off, wont be the first time (!)





That lept off the page for me too in addition to him compulsively detailing a black hummer ((who owned that and why was he washing it)).....sounds like he was bunking in in 2013??? or was he just visiting and Mom didn't know it??
 
I think you are onto something there......the stigma and the change in his appearance ((long flowing hair)) must have been a shock even to his parents -- his school photos show a pretty clean cut guy. Just a lay person here but it is interesting that a lot of young men have their big break (psych) around first year university age.....seems to fit with his time line...MOO
 
The Canadian Forces unit of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders will perform a ceremony at the funeral home prior to Cpl Cirillo's procession down the Highway of Heroes.

Home page of the Argylls:

http://www.argylls.ca/

History of the Argylls:

http://www.argylls.ca/history

This isn't my original idea, but someone posted on the internet that they thought a fitting tribute to Cpl Cirillo would be a statue of him be erected beside the monument he was guarding. I think that is an excellent, permanent honour to bestow on this young man who was guarding the memory of those who lost their lives in service to Canada.
 
Looking for opinions here ... in light of recent events, and given that Remembrance Day is a federal statutory holiday, is it appropriate for educational institutions to have due dates on Remembrance Day?

Many of today's generation have little connection to Remembrance Day, so it has become, in some ways, just another day off. Because of this, it's my belief that institutions overlook the small detail of due dates and assignment deadlines on that day. Is it different this year?
 

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