CANADA - shooter in RCMP vehicle & uniform, 22 killed (plus perp), Portapique, NS, 18 April 2020 #2
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I’m curious about the handgun and how he obtained ammunition as well. Hopefully the RCMP will be able to determine the sources.
Gunman wasn't a member at local gun range
“At Hunt Indoor Gun Range in Truro, which is about 40 kilometres east of Portapique, co-owner Gordon Hunt checked his records on Monday morning. He believes Wortman has never been a member or shot at the gun range.
He, too, wonders how Wortman could have gotten the firearms, especially a handgun, which is restricted in Canada. The other question on his mind is how the gunman was able to buy ammunition.
"In Canada, you're not allowed to even purchase ammunition unless you have a possession and acquisition card," Hunt said.
It's also unclear where and how Wortman learned to fire the weapons. Shooting a handgun would come with a steep learning curve, according to Hunt.
"He could have had the restricted firearm there and practised in his home. How to operate the firearm, you could do that by watching YouTube or he may have went somewhere secluded and used it," Hunt said...”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/investigation-firearms-ns-shooting-1.5544180
There are 2 shooting ranges in Debert also where he went for the night after he left portapique. I hope the rcmp checked that area well, it was a local resident who found the articles he left behind in Debert not the rcmp. Seems strange to me he would just throw random items in a ditch, he seemed too smart for that. Would make more sense if those items were left behind to throw the rcmp off from where and what he was really doing during those hours. These types of people are usually 10 steps ahead from whomever they are manipulating or conning at the time.
I hope the rcmp are investigating everything but so far it seems like they are more concerned about defending the situation, response time and time line , rather than the details about the investigation. I wish top investigation specialists were brought in to investigate Canada’s largest mass shooting. Nova Scotia isn’t experienced enough to handle these situations.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-gunman-debert-property-1.5549790
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“During a briefing on April 28, RCMP Supt. Darren Campbell said RCMP searched the shooter's home and businesses in Dartmouth and found that his primary residence recently was in Portapique, where he owned three properties. The Portapique home was destroyed by fire."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-shooting-warrant-unseal-1.5552437
Have the police said yet which of the shooter's three properties in Portapique he burned to the ground? From this attached satellite photo in Aug. of 2019, it shows two white cars parked next to each other at 136 Orchard Beach Dr., but his main residence, a very upscale log cabin, was at 200 Portapique Beach Rd. Many MSM reports said that when police arrive they found two of his decommissioned RCMP cars on fire, so that suggests it was the 136 property. If he had burned 200 PB Rd., it's also likely that MSM and witnesses would have posted photos of the fire, or the ruins, since that house was visible from Bay Shore Rd., in Five Houses, just west of Portapique across the Portapique River. The shooter also owned a 19-acre parcel at 287 Portapique Beach Rd., adjacent to one of the homes (293 PB Rd.) that he burned to the ground.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-shooting-warrant-unseal-1.5552437
Have the police said yet which of the shooter's three properties in Portapique he burned to the ground? From this attached satellite photo in Aug. of 2019, it shows two white cars parked next to each other at 136 Orchard Beach Dr., but his main residence, a very upscale log cabin, was at 200 Portapique Beach Rd. Many MSM reports said that when police arrive they found two of his decommissioned RCMP cars on fire, so that suggests it was the 136 property. If he had burned 200 PB Rd., it's also likely that MSM and witnesses would have posted photos of the fire, or the ruins, since that house was visible from Bay Shore Rd., in Five Houses, just west of Portapique across the Portapique River. The shooter also owned a 19-acre parcel at 287 Portapique Beach Rd., adjacent to one of the homes (293 PB Rd.) that he burned to the ground.
Nova Scotia map, Canada / satellite
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Owner of Debert welding shop where N.S. killer hid from police details what he left behind
There is an interesting comment in the article regarding a "bunker" behind the Debert welding shop. That could account for why he was in the Debert area. I believe that every victim until that point was known to him, perhaps he was looking for a place to hide the mock car, was it known to exist at that point? Perhaps when he found the bunker was no longer useful to him, he again changed plans and that's why we see him now on a random spree?
There is an interesting comment in the article regarding a "bunker" behind the Debert welding shop. That could account for why he was in the Debert area. I believe that every victim until that point was known to him, perhaps he was looking for a place to hide the mock car, was it known to exist at that point? Perhaps when he found the bunker was no longer useful to him, he again changed plans and that's why we see him now on a random spree?
In the CBC link listed by MistyWaters above, there was something new to me which I'm not sure if the narrator misspoke, or if this is new info to me. At the 4:26 mark he describes the idiot killing Heather O'Brien. "he pulls a car over and shoots one of the occupants" Until now I had thought she was alone. Was there another passenger and how did they survive? This was new to me.
His spree wasn’t random after that point, he knew all the victims who’s houses he went to including the couple who didn’t answer their door for gw and called 911 instead. The only random ones after portapique were victims who went to check on the house fires/accidents and the 2 women he killed that were walking and driving in Debert. He might have only committed those 2 murders to keep the police in that area while he fled Towards the city to his next victims house in Shubenacadie. I’m sure there were a lot more Colleagues or people after enfield he was planning on visiting also around Dartmouth and hrm . Seems like he was going after anyone he had as issue with in the past or that got in his way
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I was referencing the 2 VON women as indicated in the article
Sorry if this has already been posted, what kind of nut bar would do something like this at this particular time? imo.
Halifax police looking for suspect who said he was a regional police officer
May 4, 2020
''HALIFAX -- Police in Halifax are asking for the public's help as they investigate a report of a man impersonating a police officer.
Halifax Regional Police say they received a complaint Sunday about a suspicious person sitting in a light grey sedan and wearing a black shirt and a black hat with "RCMP-POLICE-GRC" written on it.''
''The sighting was reported two weeks after a gunman disguised as an RCMP officer and driving a replica RCMP cruiser killed 22 people in northern and central Nova Scotia.''
Halifax police looking for suspect who said he was a regional police officer
May 4, 2020
''HALIFAX -- Police in Halifax are asking for the public's help as they investigate a report of a man impersonating a police officer.
Halifax Regional Police say they received a complaint Sunday about a suspicious person sitting in a light grey sedan and wearing a black shirt and a black hat with "RCMP-POLICE-GRC" written on it.''
''The sighting was reported two weeks after a gunman disguised as an RCMP officer and driving a replica RCMP cruiser killed 22 people in northern and central Nova Scotia.''
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I’m not sure what date the narrator spoke but I do recall early media reports incorrectly presuming Const Morrison and O’Brien were travelling together. Later the RCMP confirmed the two entirely separate attacks on the two officers by GW and it was Morrison, not O’Brien, who he pulled up beside. It seems to me the narrator is recounting those initial hasty reports at a time when confusion and misinformation prevailed.
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If so, this senseless cold-blooded massacre wasn’t premeditated to the extent that it was fully planned in advance. If the bunker had already been torn down a year ago, involving that in his plans is uncharacteristic of a details-orientated maniac.
However I’d bet the owner of the welding shop, had the family been home that night, was an intended victim. As Debert is a rural community, quite possibly the residence and shop are on the same parcel of land. Because nobody was home, GW was able to drive behind the shop unseen. JMO
“It was clear he was a perfectionist.”
‘He didn’t hide this vehicle’: Nova Scotia killer’s fixation with police was on full display
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“Crown prosecutors say they plan to oppose CBC's request to unseal the information the RCMP used to obtain search warrants to access property belonging to the man police say is responsible for killing 22 people in a shooting rampage.”
Well this is sort of interesting, from the link you posted. Some of these search warrants may well be attempts by the RCMP to determine if there’s any type of communication to indicate GW was assisted by another person/s knowingly in advance, including illegal gun/ammunition purchases, etc. The problem with that, warrants are a snapshot of activity within an investigation but not the whole story. I’m a bit surprised CBC is pursuing this avenue so soon but if the search warrants are released I’d expect most of the documents will be redacted due to privacy and confidentiality legislation.
MistyWaters, I think maybe you are confusing Heather O'Brien and Const. Heidi Stevenson? Not sure, but maybe?
Heather O'Brien was one of the VON nurses pulled over in Debert. I hadn't heard that she had anyone else in her vehicle before either, newguy123.
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Oh gosh, you’re absolutely right.....my apologies, yes I am mixing up the names of victims. Ignore my earlier reply and I agree, nothing more has been confirmed whether or not Heather had a travelling partner. If so, that person would be suffering from extreme shock and trauma IMO.
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I wonder if it would be the same circumstances at Nova Tactical in Dartmouth. There was earlier comments that he hunted and knew much about firearms as well as collecting them too. Most ranges don’t require PALs to shoot. Just ID and money. Handguns are tricky to keep accurate while carbines are much easier in a panic situation.
When you are at the range, do they make sure you use all the rounds you buy or can you take them home when the attendant doesn’t catch it.
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If it’s confirmed the explosions were indeed caused by ammunition stockpiles, that would seem to indicate quite a large supply. There’s already indications the killer exhibited strong compulsive hoarding tendencies....20 or 30 motorcycles, 4 decommissioned police cruisers, what else we don’t know but I bet there’s more.
“Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Nova Scotia RCMP Supt. Darren Campbell said witness reports of "explosions" the night of the deadly Nova Scotia shooting rampage may have been ammunition stockpiles exploding at the shooter's home, as a result of fires Gabriel Wortman, 51, set during his deadly rampage from Saturday night into Monday...”
Nova Scotia shooting: RCMP say witness reports of "explosions" on night of shooting may have been exploding ammunition
Re. Questions about a hand gun: there is a Frank Magazine set of tape recorded phone conversations in which the father describes a large hand gun and how gw purchased it through an acquaintance, picked it up, and smuggled it over the border some years ago. In addition, he us said to have had a number and variety of guns. OK to post?
If it is okay to post an opinion about the investigation - Much as I (and I imagine thousands + other people) want to know what happened out of concern (or mostly curiosity), I really disagree with the media's rush to get inside the investigation. Obviously, there are important questions to be answered that do involve public interest (such as warnings to the public, gun procurement, questions around domestic violence, and other safety issues), but I really can't understand how the media imagines they serve the public good by nipping at the heels of the investigation. It is a waste of public resources for the sake of "click-bait", in my opinion, and means investigators have to direct time and resources from a very complex investigation to deal with these questions.
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