Canada - Sina Parsi, 32, found murdered, Toronto, Ont, 9 June 2015 - *Arrests*

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Here is another thought about the latest video. SP had been playing soccer until about 10:15. In the video shot at 12:15 he seems to be dressed in jeans, a collared shirt, and sandals. This is not something I would expect someone who had just played soccer to be wearing. Most people would simply throw on a pair of sneakers and drive home, at the very most they might throw on a pair of sweat pants. So did he go home and shower then change in to casual clothes? If not, where and when did he change? The more I think about this case the more I feel that SP had a "while the cat's away, the mouse will play" moment.

As to this being a premeditated act, notice how jovial CM appears to be, engaging the victim in conversation. In contrast, SC looks very uncomfortable. She doesn't look at SP, and she keeps her arms in her pockets and has the demeanour of a nervous person. Whatever is going on, CM seems to be the ringleader and is anxious to get the group upstairs.

As far as drugs are concerned, I'm really having a problem seeing this guy as a drug user. Generally people around even casual users are aware of it. As Smasher said SP was clean, and we've heard nothing from anybody that he even liked to smoke the odd joint, I'm finding it hard to believe that he would suddenly need to go out in the middle of the night to cop some drugs. I honestly think that his wife being out for the night gave him the opportunity to try some kind of taboo sexual encounter. It is more common than you think that there will be a man in the apartment during these kinds of encounters simply because it is unsafe for a woman to be alone. Maybe they get to the apartment, SC and SP go in to a bedroom while CM waits in another room. Maybe SP gets too rough or maybe SC has second thoughts. Maybe CM enters the room and quickly stabs SP. All MOO but would SP actually get dressed up to meet a drug dealer?

SP's clothing should have been poloshirt and jogging pants for the evening at/with soccer game. I think, that this clothing is still seen in the video? Looks like that.

And with your saying : SP had a "while the cat's away, the mouse will play" moment - yes, my thoughts also, whatever he had planned for this evening after game. There are husbands or lovers you can't leave them alone.
 
A couple things to add.

-Someone earlier in the thread was asking about the dog, apparently Sabrina's father is going to Toronto to get the dog and the dog will live with him in Quebec now. "Martial will come to Toronto to pick up the dog, and it will live with him in Quebec." Source: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/06/23/2-suspects-arrested-in-sina-parsi-killing.html

-Clyde and Chouart met when she was working at a Tim Horton's in OTTAWA. They must have moved to Toronto after they'd been dating awhile, had apparently only lived at the Woolner Rd. apt complex for somewhere between 1 and 2 years (depending on the news source). "Chouart said Marshall is his daughter's boyfriend. Police say he's from New Brunswick, but Chouart said Sabrina met him when she worked at a Tim Hortons restaurant near a homeless shelter in Ottawa." Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/1...-mans-murder-pleas-for-her-to-turn-herself-in

-My two cents for why Parsi was there: A lot of middle eastern "clean cut" seeming immigrants in Canada smoke marijuana. You would not assume this just by looking at them, they look like clean, law abiding, well adjusted, normal, functional citizens. I have to agree with an earlier poster that he was probably just going to buy some marijuana. Maybe he met Sabrina at Tim Horton's, they got to talking, she said she knew where he could score a good deal on some pot. Marijuana isn't that "sketchy" of a drug, but clearly from the way he parked his car super far away and was apprehensive to be seen in the vicinity means this was probably something fairly new for him, he was like an amateur pot buyer looking to get some weed in bulk for personal consumption or to share with his buddies. Honestly, pot isn't that big a deal in Canada, it was probably just a random drug deal gone horribly wrong. Either they didn't actually have marijuana and baited him there to rob him (perhaps he fought back and somehow got himself killed), or they did have marijuana for sale, and some type of argument ensued that angered Clyde enough to stab him to death. I think it's as simple as a pot or fake pot deal gone wrong and the fact that they left their apartment so quickly with minimal pre preparation leads me to believe it was not really a premeditated murder, but possibly a premeditated robbery.

I've considered this but $400 would buy a lot of marihuana, especially for a casual user. This guy didn't even drink. I really have serious doubts about the drug angle.


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I do not live in Canada, so I´m just wondering about the publication ban. Is that standard in murder cases? If so, why? And for how long? Is it because of the victims family?
 
I do not live in Canada, so I´m just wondering about the publication ban. Is that standard in murder cases? If so, why? And for how long? Is it because of the victims family?

It's standard on most, if not all, murder cases. It's not to taint the jury pool and to "preserve" the evidence, for lack of better word. The ban will stay put until after the trail.
 
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Maybe totally unrelated, but with several shootings in Vaughan and around there maybe a wider story. Perhaps SP indeed was buying a gun to protect himself? $400 was only taken from his account, maybe he had some money in his wallet before and in addition it had been enough for the deal?
 
I've considered this but $400 would buy a lot of marihuana, especially for a casual user. This guy didn't even drink. I really have serious doubts about the drug angle.


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He was of Iranian background the majority of Iranians are Muslim. Most Muslims do not drink for religious reasons but some do.

Is there proof to the claim that SP knew SC from her work or is that speculation?
 
He was of Iranian background the majority of Iranians are Muslim. Most Muslims do not drink for religious reasons but some do.

Is there proof to the claim that SP knew SC from her work or is that speculation?

Sina was not Muslim. He was Bahai. Even in Bahai religion no one should drink alcohol and do drugs or sleep with other women if not married to that person. That's why from religion and family and his type of people nothing make sense about sex, drugs. But everyone could make mistake or do something secretly that no one knew about it.
 
I heard that policed said Sina Murdered was planed with these two before hand. And Saberina parcipated willingly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I heard that policed said Sina Murdered was planed with these two before hand. And Saberina parcipated willingly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Smasher, do you have a link to an article where it says that the murder was planned before hand?

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Hmm that was first thing that I thought might happens and was sex related and that's why police are careful what they say to public. But when I saw CM was with them made me think twice. I don't know anything about these stuff and don't know if it is commen or not. But if you say this is commen thing then you might be right about this. Drug buying does not make sense to me. Also the police said Sina knew Sabrina through her job. Did not said he knew CM as well. They referring Sabrina job. What job they were referring too? Escort job perhaps? We also know he parked his car in front of Tim Horton, was Sabrina used to work there?

I don't think LE ever confirmed SP and SC knew each other, unless I missed something?

Yes SP parked at Tim Hortons, but that is not the location SC worked, and it doesn't appear he went in there anyway.


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Okay, to throw something out there on the gun angle... any chance the $400 was a "down payment" on a weapon and he went up to the apartment to look at it? Decided he did not want it for whatever reason, CM got mad and decided he wanted the $400 anyway?
 
If you go to YouTube and search Sina Parsi, there will be video of first footage of apartment which those two are leaving and this is full version of police conference. At very last minute of the video police says we believe we know why Sina went inside that apartment. So whatever the reason was police already knew. So how would police know? I think they found out something from phone or email record and they knew exactly why they meet and why they went to apartment.
 
Okay, to throw something out there on the gun angle... any chance the $400 was a "down payment" on a weapon and he went up to the apartment to look at it? Decided he did not want it for whatever reason, CM got mad and decided he wanted the $400 anyway?

There is nothing to suggest a gun angle. As far as we know CM was a knife guy, and there is no indication that he ever even owned a gun, let alone dealt in them.
 
If you go to YouTube and search Sina Parsi, there will be video of first footage of apartment which those two are leaving and this is full version of police conference. At very last minute of the video police says we believe we know why Sina went inside that apartment. So whatever the reason was police already knew. So how would police know? I think they found out something from phone or email record and they knew exactly why they meet and why they went to apartment.

Something tells me this all evolves around SC, she know SP..flirts at work, maybe they exchange texts here and there. Police to me know whats going on(access to phone records,texts,email)...no description to how SP was found,..the police ripped that whole apt up by now, if it was drugs they would of found something(maybe this is where police are saying they where maybe tied to the drug trade). If it was sex then again the way the body was found and the room layout would show this. But my question is why CM and SC would use their apt to do any type of business, these are all street rules that anyone doing crime would know. Also a lot of eyes are on this neighborhood, if he CM is selling drugs then he pays the piper(CM is a runner in my eyes) someone is supplying CM with product, so police will get contact info and ghost phones in their apt. If SC was emotional like on the surveillance video then everything moved too fast for them to get everything. . Still if he was beaten their would be some type of noise, the dog barking?? Police must have all the cameras captures for the whole week leading up to this night. These apt buildings are shady, even on instagram people posting pics of the scene, with a **** life mentality. Someone just died there, shady buildings with some shady people but can afford data plans.
My last shot at this is maybe if we "honestly" believe SP is clean clean clean, maybe he was buying truck parts, summer is here everyone under the sun is always looking for rims/tires..$400 wont do much but maybe she convinced him to met at the Tim's, showed up with CM for meet and greet and then lured him back to their apt for product look and a quick beer. Then thats when they rob him/or he refuses to buy something. It seems CM goes nuts maybe hes on something himself at that time. A lot people on cocaine become invincible when on the drug, especially during a fight. This behavior is common with cocaine users, like a roid rage.

Crazy thing is, wouldn't she see him at work the following day/week?? She will turn on CM real quick once lawyers start talking to her.

Anyone hear any interviews with his close friends that he plays soccer with?? Whatever he was up to go and do he would of said something to a close friend?
 
If you go to YouTube and search Sina Parsi, there will be video of first footage of apartment which those two are leaving and this is full version of police conference. At very last minute of the video police says we believe we know why Sina went inside that apartment. So whatever the reason was police already knew. So how would police know? I think they found out something from phone or email record and they knew exactly why they meet and why they went to apartment.

They definitely know, and its most likely information garnered though internet or phone records. SP was lured to the apartment to be robbed. What was the bait? Most likely drugs or sex. I know some suggest a legitimate sale of an item on Craigslist or Kijiji but that would make no sense. If they robbed him, he'd be back in ten minutes with the police. The reason they felt comfortable taking to their apartment to rob him was because a married man getting robbed whilst trying to hire a prostitute is very unlikely to notify police. There is a good chance that they have run this scam in the past as well, but people aren't coming forward for obvious reasons. If I were in LE id be analyzing tapes of who went in and out of that apartment in the weeks leading up to the crime.
 
Can we stop with all the SP knew SC talk? There is absolutely nothing to suggest this. If you look at the video its CM that is talking to SP, SC doesn't say a word or even look at him. This certainly doesn't appear like she knew him at all.
 
I will post again... what is everyone's theory on the fact that LE brought in homicide BEFORE SP's body was found?

What could have been the indicator of this?

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I will post again... what is everyone's theory on the fact that LE brought in homicide BEFORE SP's body was found?

What could have been the indicator of this?

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Not exactly sure when homicide was brought in on this but I'd assume it was shortly after SPs truck and wallet were found?

I guess the fact that you have...
- a missing man
- an abandoned truck
- a discarded wallet
- an attempt to access his account
- a non responsive cell phone
- plus whatever other info they had that led them to that apartment

I think very early on they had the feeling that things weren't going to end well for Mr Parsi and they didn't want the crime scene to be contaminated by inexperienced detectives. Turned out to be the right call.
 
Can we stop with all the SP knew SC talk? There is absolutely nothing to suggest this. If you look at the video its CM that is talking to SP, SC doesn't say a word or even look at him. This certainly doesn't appear like she knew him at all.

Well we know this information based on what police told to public. Police said Sina knew Sabrina through her job. Police didn't mention anything about Sina knew Marshal
 
I believe is what they found out on phone or email record and camera footage him going to bank and withdraw and also they saw Marshall trying access his account from ATM with his card. That's what I think they knew something went wrong
 

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