Casey & Family Psychological Profile #1

[PoppyH]

She is sorry that she got caught, and on national television.

LMAO!!! Thats so true!!!!!!!

 

[diane952]

And if Cindy had not called the cops that day...none of us would be the wiser and these weirdos would just be "looking" for the kidnappers while KC partied..ABSURD.
I wonder if Cindy is sorry she called the police..

 

[JustJax]

She has antisocial personality disorder. She has all of the traits from pathological lying, to stealing, to being irresponsible with money, not being unable to hold down a job, not being able to take on parental responsibility, having no remorse, having no regard for the life and safety of others.
She needs treatment and medication, not handholding as Baez is doing.
Her parents knew that she had these sociopathic traits and they did not help her. Instead they enabled her.
Baez has no defense. Insanity hardly ever works, and with antisocial personality disorder, she still knows right from wrong. He took on the case because of the notoriety. All he can do is try to argue that there was not really a dead body in the car and try to show she was a good mother. She has lied in the affadavit and over and over and there is no way to defend her. Every time she opens her mouth she tells another lie

Of course she knows she did wrong, I agree! Look at what elaborate lengths and detail of all of her lies. I really think she has lied about most everything all of her life, and quite possibly doesn't ever think that honesty is better than lies.

 

[El Gato]

And if Cindy had not called the cops that day...none of us would be the wiser and these weirdos would just be "looking" for the kidnappers while KC partied..ABSURD.
I wonder if Cindy is sorry she called the police..

From watching her with the hammer and bat, I would bet on it

 

[JustJax]

And if Cindy had not called the cops that day...none of us would be the wiser and these weirdos would just be "looking" for the kidnappers while KC partied..ABSURD.
I wonder if Cindy is sorry she called the police..

My fiancee' said tonight that if Cindy didn't in her own words say "there's something wrong, it smells like there was a dead body in the damn car!" we might might be this far into this case right now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

And if Cindy had not called the cops that day...none of us would be the wiser and these weirdos would just be "looking" for the kidnappers while KC partied..ABSURD.
I wonder if Cindy is sorry she called the police..

You bet she is! She was sorry by the end of the second 911 call when she realized what she had done.

 

[El Gato]

My fiancee' said tonight that if Cindy didn't in her own words say "there's something wrong, it smells like there was a dead body in the damn car!" we might might be this far into this case right now.

Yeah, in all fairness, Cindy got the ball a rollin by calling 911.

But I think she is sorry bout it now.

 

[MommaD]

Yeah, in all fairness, Cindy got the ball a rollin by calling 911.

But I think she is sorry bout it now.

Yes, I think she is very, very sorry she called 911.. And she (cindy) is going to be even more sorry that she has lied here and there herself a few times if she keeps it up.. She has many misttruths out there so far.. She needs to just tell the truth and quit protecting Casey.. Would Casey protect mom or dad if it came down to it?? TIA I feel she wouldn't but would like others opinion..

 

[nancy botwin]

Casey called 911 last night to protect her parents. She sounded scared at around 3:00, when she says "both of my parents were hit..." Did anyone hear it that way? I listened to the audio many times and I think she really does sound upset or frightened that her parents could be hurt. I was taken aback and felt badly for her-- Did anyone else feel this way?

 

[Sammiejam]

Casey called 911 last night to protect her parents. She sounded scared at around 3:00, when she says "both of my parents were hit..." Did anyone hear it that way? I listened to the audio many times and I think she really does sound upset or frightened that her parents could be hurt. I was taken aback and felt badly for her-- Did anyone else feel this way?

Actually, I heard something different. I heard annoyance (why the he11 did they take so long to get there the first time?) entitlement (THIS IS RIDICULOUS, ARREST THOSE PUNKS) and egomania (This is THE resident-translation-"Dont you KNOW who I am?)

That 911 call made me furious!

 

[halleyscomet]

She is sorry that she got caught, and on national television.

She is sorry that it screwed up her social life.

 

[halleyscomet]

Actually, I heard something different. I heard annoyance (why the he11 did they take so long to get there the first time?) entitlement (THIS IS RIDICULOUS, ARREST THOSE PUNKS) and egomania (This is THE resident-translation-"Dont you KNOW who I am?)

That 911 call made me furious!

If my parents were out there being attacked nothing could keep me in that house. And I am a big whimp. She cares for noone but herself. If mommy and daddy get put into the hospital I'll have to go back to jail because there will be nobody to babysit.

 

[halleyscomet]

And if Cindy had not called the cops that day...none of us would be the wiser and these weirdos would just be "looking" for the kidnappers while KC partied..ABSURD.
I wonder if Cindy is sorry she called the police..

I'm sure she wants to rip her own tongue out now.

 

[AZRiverRat]

I see a lot of NPD behaviors in GA, CA, and kc. NPD is a personal disorder, NOT a mental disease. Many N's also have behaviors associated with other personality disorders. (co-morbidity)

OCD, BPD, and PPD behaviors are commonly seen along with the NPD traits.

Heres an interesting article about the emotional immaturity of the NPD, and how their behavior is similar to a 6 year old child.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html

This gives me the chills................

Having a narcissist for a mother is a lot like living under the supervision of a six-year-old. Narcissists are always pretending, and with a narcissistic mother it's a lot like, "Let's play house. I'll pretend to be the mother and you pretend to be the baby," though, as the baby, you'll be expected to act like a doll (keep smiling, no matter what) and you'll be treated like a doll -- as an inanimate object, as a toy to be manipulated, dressed and undressed, walked around and have words put in your mouth; something that can be broken but not hurt, something that will be dropped and forgotten when when something more interesting comes along.

 

[DAWN TREADER]

People DO believe her! That is part of the problem here. People actually are buying into her story of a kidnapping yada yada yada. As long as Baez and her family are willing to perpetuate her lies then this charade will continue indefinitely.

Very true SS. I also think the potential to profit in one way or another from this case is a big part of the problem.

DT

 

[future criminologist]

She's a narrcissistic sociopath, even her own Mother warned people what she was. So the only person she is sorry for is Casey.

I still want to know what the backstory is on Cindy calling Ryan and telling him this. what was the catalyst that caused her to come to this conclusion? I think that will be very telling. concluding your child is a sociopath, and telling others to stay away from them, is really extreme, IMO.

 

[future criminologist]

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She has antisocial personality disorder. She needs treatment and medication, not handholding as Baez is doing.

yes, but is treatment really possible? what meds can you put someone with a personality disorder on? I don't think its treatable. softsoul, can you weigh in on this?

 

[future criminologist]

I see a lot of NPD behaviors in GA, CA, and kc. NPD is a personal disorder, NOT a mental disease. Many N's also have behaviors associated with other personality disorders. (co-morbidity)

OCD, BPD, and PPD behaviors are commonly seen along with the NPD traits.

Heres an interesting article about the emotional immaturity of the NPD, and how their behavior is similar to a 6 year old child.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html

This gives me the chills................

Having a narcissist for a mother is a lot like living under the supervision of a six-year-old. Narcissists are always pretending, and with a narcissistic mother it's a lot like, "Let's play house. I'll pretend to be the mother and you pretend to be the baby," though, as the baby, you'll be expected to act like a doll (keep smiling, no matter what) and you'll be treated like a doll -- as an inanimate object, as a toy to be manipulated, dressed and undressed, walked around and have words put in your mouth; something that can be broken but not hurt, something that will be dropped and forgotten when when something more interesting comes along.

you are right on about the mother/baby dynamic. IMO, my mother is a narcissist, possible BPD. above all, you always feel like your feelings do not matter; your feelings are not valid; and that HER feelings are the only ones that count. you are not an individual; you are just part of the sum of her parts. that is how you are treated too. there is no mutual respect. it's taken me years of therapy to deal with it and learn how to predict how she will react, react appropriately to her, and separate myself so that I can work on my own self-esteem.

I know now too that my grandmother treated my mother the same way, through various stories that have come out over the years from my mother and aunt. my aunt was in labor, and my grandmother started having a panic attack over how she was going to handle babysitting my aunt's older child while my aunt was in the hospital, HAVING A BABY. my grandmother wanted my aunt to tell her "who to call" to deal with her panic attack, and got mad when my aunt was like, "i can't help you right now,I'm having a baby!" and my grandmother threatened to leave and go home because my aunt was being "short" with her. My grandmother also started crying at my sister's wedding in front of everyone because the priest didn't personally come to her and give her communion. it doesnt matter if it's someone else's wedding or childbirth - they have to turn the focus back on THEM.

 

[Kalie61]

This is nice and all. It may very well be true. However, I am leary of excepting this "diagnosis" as fact.

My reasons are you can't diagnois someone with out sitting down and talking to that person. You just can't do it through the media, and you can't do it with a couple of taped interviews with police.

Until an acutal interview with her accurs with a Dr. I'm not going to buy into any theories that she is mentaly unstable, or ill.

I know that everything would appear that she is crazy. But, we can't know that for sure until we know the whole story.

We can say she is lying because she is a sociopath, but is that truly the reason? I'm not convinced that it is. She is hiding what happened to Caylee, and that is all that we know, or all that we can deduce. The answers will only arrive when Caylee is found.

 

[AZRiverRat]

This is nice and all. It may very well be true. However, I am leary of excepting this "diagnosis" as fact.

My reasons are you can't diagnois someone with out sitting down and talking to that person. You just can't do it through the media, and you can't do it with a couple of taped interviews with police.

Until an acutal interview with her accurs with a Dr. I'm not going to buy into any theories that she is mentaly unstable, or ill.

I know that everything would appear that she is crazy. But, we can't know that for sure until we know the whole story.

We can say she is lying because she is a sociopath, but is that truly the reason? I'm not convinced that it is. She is hiding what happened to Caylee, and that is all that we know, or all that we can deduce. The answers will only arrive when Caylee is found.

IIRC kc had a mental evaluation while she was in jail.
The results are not public record.

Diagnosis is often difficult because these "people" are so good at deception. They can actually fool some psychologists/psychiatrists.

There is no cure for personality disorders. IF they ever get into therapy, they usually quit within a year's time. They are in denial, so how can they ever accept that there is any problem at all with their actions/behavior?

The prognosis is very poor, and any medication prescribed will only mask the symptoms. The only hope is for the people in the disordered's life to accept this and learn how to live with the NPD/PPD person, or cut off all contact with them.

Many people who have been abused by the NPD/PPD person need therapy. They are victims of abuse, and the emotional/mental scars can be devastating.

*The above comments are based on my long term relationship with an N partner (undiagnosed), and an N mother (undiagnosed)*