Casey & Family Psychological Profile #10

[chefmom]

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmJjD33eKDU[/ame]

 

[Gma Kat]

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Thank you for providing this link.

Allow me to please first share that I'm not a professional in the pyschiatric field; however I have done lots of research for reasons explained below.

I sincerely hope that I stay on/near topic with the following post I am about to compose. The post I will compose may not be specifically on topic; per se. However, I do feel a need to express my thoughts regarding this video. I have read the TOS twice; and hope that my post is within the rules of this message board.

I do believe that ICA, does fit into at least one if not two of the catagories (is that possible?); listed at the end of the video. It is my ferverent belief that ICA, did indeed commit the alleged crime/s per the indictment. I further believe that ICA did commit the alleged crime of murder in the first degree. IMO, IMO, IMO!!!

I would like to share my feelings regarding some of the other parts of this video. I will try my best to keep this post short. I shared this information when I was a member of the "CTV" board and we were discussing/debating the Andrea Yates case.

My mother was diagnosed with PPP. The only reason that I and my 4 other siblings are alive is because through her haze of delusions, paranoia and horrid suffering a small part of who she was prior to her illness; remained.
She walked toward my brother with a kitchen knife in her heart and stated "I don't want to hurt my children, I need to do this to myself before I do hurt my children".

I believe with all of my heart and soul ICA, lacked all of the true feelings an ordinary mothers feels. I also believe that ICA is a socipath and meets the critera for BPD or NPD. These disorders are difficult for me to discern becuase the symptoms are similar in nature. Or, they "criss cross" (unable to think of a better name right now).

I felt compelled after watching this video to comment on it due to my personal experience. For obvious reasons, I have very strong feelings about mothers that murder and the reasons why. Please pardon my intrusion, excuse my spelling and grammer as this post was written in haste, DH needs to get on computer asap.

Really enjoyed reading your post, and so glad you are active in this forum. It is the insight of the pain and roads travelled by fellow WS'ers that shed light and perspective on this site. Our personal tragedies formed us and out of those tragedies we seek justice and search for answers. WS allows us to do that together. We can lean on one another (insert great big hug to you here for what you, your family and mother suffered) and learn from one another. All opinions are welcome and your thoughtfulness is much appreciated. Sorry to sound like a mod here, but I just really appreciate members such as yourself. I know Tricia does an amazing job and all the mods too. No doubt everyone else here appreciate your manners and input. I look forward to more posts from you......

 

[Gma Kat]

Well said and so true. Those who judge too quickly on looks sometimes miss out on the most interesting people in the world. They are not necessarily the most attractive on the outside until you get to know them and then you see them as they actually are. A gift.

ITA. I learned this lesson by getting to know a man who quite frankly was scary looking. Like someone from under a bridge overpass......but the kindest soul and sweetest disposition. I no longer see his face when he comes to the door, I see this bright white light and he looks like an angel....sometimes I think he is.

I believe, while we are on the subject, that both the "ugly" and the "beautiful" are handicapped by appearances. Conclusions are jumped to because of a persons appearance, whether it be the stereotype of the lazy fat person, the productive hyper person, the fortunate rich guy, the beautiful girl who never has to work for anything, blah blah blah. Yet the heavy set gal is probably not lazy at all, she's most likely the most dedicated, efficient person at her job, and the beautiful girl never gets asked out on a date......

I still maintain that this case caught public attention because once again a person with apparently "it all" did something heinous. Good looks, nice living environment, both parents in the home.......these are the building blocks of success - or so most of us are raised to believe. So when something horrific occurs at the hands of someone who comes from this white picket fence, girl-next-door, Ozzy & Harriet world, it is more difficult to comprehend than if the person were from poverty, drugs, single parent home, lack of education, heaven forbid, ugly. When the beautiful and priviledged behave badly, we just don't see why, considering they've had it all.......YKWIM????? I hope I expressed myself here properly! Afterall, how many unattractive mother's are featured in Nancy Grace ad nauseum? They are not. It's the beautiful faces that commit crimes that grab the public's attention. Those people are not supposed to do bad things, they are beautiful, they have it all.....

I think we judge everyone improperly. Beautiful, ugly, its all subjective like Chiquita points out. Getting to know people without ever seeing their faces, like here at WS, you just have to like people for what they post. We are all beautiful behind the keyboard. :blushing:

 

[Gma Kat]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmJjD33eKDU

Can I be the yellow banana? That one is bustin' some serious moves!

 

[Gma Kat]

Actually, maybe what Chiquita had to say was what we all needed to hear and you were just the vessel to bring it out. It is human nature to "size up a situation" probably a defense measure going back to the stoneage. LOL Is this person threatening or am I safe? So it's probably built into our defense system but our intelligence should immediately kick in. So don't beat yourself up.

I see what you are saying, that reptilian brain thing......is this person a threat? No, couldn't be, look at those big brown eyes........yeah, that one has gotten me before!:waitasec:

 

[ynotdivein]

I haven't seen the GA & CA jail conversation in a long time..but what I remember about it is how it seemed like they did not know each other at all. He talked to her (and she to him) like polite neighbors...very weird. I know they were aware of being taped, but still their discomfort was apparent.

affinity, I noted the same. There is a stiltedness to the conversation between CA/KC too, and LA/KC. But when it comes to GA/KC, I get the sense that she somehow does not want to disappoint him. Whereas she seems to take pleasure in hurting CA, KC tiptoes around GA. Maybe this shines some light on KC's need for approval from men? With LA she can be "cute" and speak in "code" and "share secrets" but with GA there's a polite distance that's hard to pin down. It makes me think that she and GA are somehow alike. Two equals, each aware of the other's shortcomings (because they share them), both knowing the truth but neither wanting to spoil things for the other. When GA found out about KC not working at Sports Authority, he didn't confront KC, did he? He went to CA--who protected KC. Who he KNEW would protect KC, because CA has protected him for so long.

GA always seems to fall into the role of "motivational speaker"..and I think I remember reading somewhere that he was at one time someone who would be get in front of groups and talk (maybe rotary club or something)..that would explain his ease at speaking at the memorial. I find GA to be one of the most interesting characters involved because he seems so completely devoid of substance. (Well, that description fits them all)..but in GA's case he seems the best at faking warmth....making one wonder if he doesn't actually have more capacity for genuine feelings than the rest of them...does he?

RBBM and underlined for focus. GA may just be the "actor" in the family. Can't deal with real up-close emotion, but put him in front of an audience or a camera, and he will be able to pull himself together and "perform." In the November interview that we refer to on WS as "CA's Silent Interview," he was perfectly able to remain composed, though he must have known the same information as CA did. He was able to ignore, in fact, that the other person onstage with him was suffering a meltdown of epic proportions. The show must go on.

IMO, LA got that ability from his dad. Dissociate from the immediate pain. Hence LA's sticky "I love yoooouuu" from the witness stand.

Well, we'll never know. I honestly wish I could have a conversation with him..I know it would be like talking to a post--but it would be interesting. They are Shakespearean in pathology.

Again RBBM, and I couldn't agree more!

Another poster mentioned CA's saying that KC was more like GA and that LA was more like her (CA). I think this is one of the truest things she has said. And how many times must CA have wanted to choke GA? Then to see her own daughter treating her with the same disregard as GA had, stealing from her and her family, lying to her, and carrying on with the pretense that nothing was wrong? Almost DARING her to call her out, to stop the enabling behavior? Even a professional victim has to act out sometimes and IMO CA had years of pent-up :furious: built up by June 2008.

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(ETA--got so into responding to affinity's post that I forgot I wanted to recommend again that folks read John Bradshaw's books. Whatever you think of the kind of self-help that comes from Barnes&Noble shelves, his theory of how dysfunction passes generation to generation is compelling at least....)

 

[kaRN]

I see what you are saying, that reptilian brain thing......is this person a threat? No, couldn't be, look at those big brown eyes........yeah, that one has gotten me before!:waitasec:

:sick: ITA. There's a reason young girls weren't afraid to befriend these folks.

 

[affinity]

Well said Solace!

I also think CA hasn't completely let go of Caylee and accepted that she is indeed dead and gone forever. It is just too much for her to bear. I believe we will see her break in half - when she finally understands and accepts that it is ICA who has done this terrible thing and Caylee is gone. She keeps hoping, she's given ICA chance after chance to change in the past, and kept hoping it would work, and she's still doing it now - just because she can't quite put her heart and mind around it. Her mind knows but her heart won't accept it. But she will, and like you say - a tragedy absolutely.

And I don't see CA ever forgiving herself.

When I was KC's age I completely despised my Mother. I can imagine enjoying jail in exchange for getting away from her! Now, there is 40 years between that time and now and my CA type Mother has been dead and gone for 5 years. What I put together was that my CA type Mother had severe psychological trauma in her life and (no excuses, but) it was what made her the way she was. What does CA have in HER background that made her so personality disordered? We often pose that question about the star of this production (KC)....but the REAL story is CA! Susan Smith's Mother was able to comprehend reality (and quickly)...why can't CA? Perhaps we will find out during mitigation! I really hope so.

 

[countzero]

CA does comprehend reality. She just wants to change our reality of Caylee's murder so she comes out smelling like a rose and MOTY just as a narcissist would that she is.

This is all an act for CA .... she's working really hard to become the martyr she envisions herself to be. This act of her's doesn't fool me one bit and it will be her downfall when others eventually see it too. LE, the FBI and the SAO see it as well.

 

[logicalgirl]

When I was KC's age I completely despised my Mother. I can imagine enjoying jail in exchange for getting away from her! Now, there is 40 years between that time and now and my CA type Mother has been dead and gone for 5 years. What I put together was that my CA type Mother had severe psychological trauma in her life and (no excuses, but) it was what made her the way she was. What does CA have in HER background that made her so personality disordered? We often pose that question about the star of this production (KC)....but the REAL story is CA! Susan Smith's Mother was able to comprehend reality (and quickly)...why can't CA? Perhaps we will find out during mitigation! I really hope so.

Pick Me! I can answer that question - CA had a psychopath called ICA in her life to explain her behavior. Not excuse.....explain.

 

[strawberry]

I have a feeling that this is what is going to happen during mitigation: They are going to show how controlling CA was, and how she always found fault with ICA as a mother. They are going to say that OK, Caylee is dead, she died in an accident. But due to ICA's personality disorder(s) and dysfunctional family dynamics, she was terrifed ("absolutely petrified" in her words) to admit it. And then they will air all of the dirty laundry.

 

[logicalgirl]

I have a feeling that this is what is going to happen during mitigation: They are going to show how controlling CA was, and how she always found fault with ICA as a mother. They are going to say that OK, Caylee is dead, she died in an accident. But due to ICA's personality disorder(s) and dysfunctional family dynamics, she was terrifed ("absolutely petrified" in her words) to admit it. And then they will air all of the dirty laundry.

I'm going to be the FIRST to admit I was wrong if I am. However I think the Defense had better be very careful going that route. The Defense may try to prove CA was controlling, but will end up only showing CA was trying to be controlling and it made no difference at all to ICA's behavior.

ICA wrecked havoc with that family, probably from the time she was a pre-schooler. She did what she wanted when she wanted, despite anything CA did. Clearly that family walked on eggshells around her to avoid that famous temper.

 

[Jomo]

While reading the newest documents posted from the Defense (Thanks Nums24), I couldn't help but notice KC's signature.

I thought it was an interesting change on how she is like a camillion.

The first signature that we were really aware of was from her statement made on July 16, 2008. December 7, 2010 is a totally different signature. What is interesting is that her 2010 signature is beginning to look a lot like the lawyers' signatures. (Please see photos attached).

 

[Jomo]

While reading the newest documents posted from the Defense (Thanks Nums24), I couldn't help but notice KC's signature.

I thought it was an interesting change on how she is like a camillion.

The first signature that we were really aware of was from her statement made on July 16, 2008. December 7, 2010 is a totally different signature. What is interesting is that her 2010 signature is beginning to look a lot like the lawyers' signatures. (Please see photos attached).

I see a lot of people commenting on this point over at the Hinky Meter. Interesting that others noticed as well (or they are just too shy to chat here ).

 

[strawberry]

While reading the newest documents posted from the Defense (Thanks Nums24), I couldn't help but notice KC's signature.

I thought it was an interesting change on how she is like a camillion.

The first signature that we were really aware of was from her statement made on July 16, 2008. December 7, 2010 is a totally different signature. What is interesting is that her 2010 signature is beginning to look a lot like the lawyers' signatures. (Please see photos attached).

I had commented on this change a couple of doc dumps ago. I think she has changed it to mirror Joses, as if in her fantasy life she is an attorney. It looks a lot like his. Unless he is forging her signature of course.:angel:

 

[Jomo]

I had commented on this change a couple of doc dumps ago. I think she has changed it to mirror Joses, as if in her fantasy life she is an attorney. It looks a lot like his. Unless he is forging her signature of course.:angel:

I so naïve :doh:
You are probably right about the forging! Thanks!

 

[Aedrys]

While reading the newest documents posted from the Defense (Thanks Nums24), I couldn't help but notice KC's signature.

I thought it was an interesting change on how she is like a camillion.

The first signature that we were really aware of was from her statement made on July 16, 2008. December 7, 2010 is a totally different signature. What is interesting is that her 2010 signature is beginning to look a lot like the lawyers' signatures. (Please see photos attached).

Well you know, back then, it was important to see her whole name. Now she's such a celebrity, it's all meshed into one name. That's how highly she thinks of herself. She probably thinks she's a celebrity lawyer sneeze prophet. Anything I forget to add there? lol.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I have a feeling that this is what is going to happen during mitigation: They are going to show how controlling CA was, and how she always found fault with ICA as a mother. They are going to say that OK, Caylee is dead, she died in an accident. But due to ICA's personality disorder(s) and dysfunctional family dynamics, she was terrifed ("absolutely petrified" in her words) to admit it. And then they will air all of the dirty laundry.

I totally agree with you. I think they will use the defense planned/planted jail letters also to try to validate Casey's abuse allegations.

(made myself sick even typing that bologna)

 

[OneLostGrl]

I'm going to be the FIRST to admit I was wrong if I am. However I think the Defense had better be very careful going that route. The Defense may try to prove CA was controlling, but will end up only showing CA was trying to be controlling and it made no difference at all to ICA's behavior.

ICA wrecked havoc with that family, probably from the time she was a pre-schooler. She did what she wanted when she wanted, despite anything CA did. Clearly that family walked on eggshells around her to avoid that famous temper.

Too bad her parents chose not to parent her... that's why Casey is like she is. Her "parents" did nothing but walk on egg shells.. certainly did nothing to teach her about right and wrong, personal resposibility, self discipline, accountability, consequences (natural and otherwise) or cause and effect. They clearly did a lousy job of modelling...

Children learn what they live- they watch the adults in their life.. that's how their morals, their character begins to develop. They did nothing to encourage moral devolopment in this girl.. Cindy made fun of her husband in front of her children.. worse- let them make fun of him. She discussed their personal issues with her children.. she publicly held things over her husbands (their father) head. That kind of behavior makes children side with one parent or the other, I mean here she's implying that it's the "good" parent (the one who didn't screw up) only that deserves their respect.

That is not a good mother! and this is without getting into her real issues. That's just the tip.

Their father has no loyalty towards them what-so-ever.. his loyalty lies with Cindy and they know it. He's a liar, a thief, a cheat and they know it... Worse- he gets away with it and they know it!!

Who is rasing these children, teaching them right from wrong? They were horrible parents, the worst kind (IMO). Imagine nobody caring about your moral development? They created that havoc!

 

[OneLostGrl]

I totally agree with you. I think they will use the defense planned/planted jail letters also to try to validate Casey's abuse allegations.

(made myself sick even typing that bologna)

I don't know if Casey even realizes she was abused. imo