Mental health is a deep subject at the very least. Part of my thoughts are she (Casey) is a narcissistic, yes she CERTAINLY lacks empathy yet she has (from what I have seen in one's close to myself) a bi-polar behavior too.. ie, the spending , etc.. One's with bi-polar are not in constant state of depression, they can have very EXTEME high's manic periods and spend money. So, think myself Casey fits in both catagories
The depression lasts way more than the highs. Casey is constantly on a high. I would not clasiffy her as bi-polar just from what I've seen. "Manic" is a good word for her.
I agree - I am just speculating. From cases I've seen - I really just doubt it. Her chances of having bipolar are slim - just me speculating.
I also am against saying she has any mental handicap (that is what these disorders are, that is why these people get help) I think she has no excuses. No mental state or feeling that made her do it. I think she was well-aware of what she was doing. She knew it was wrong but she did it anyway because she thought she could get away & she thought she could hide it & lie her way out of it.
I think a large piece of the puzzle is missing here, and there is a huge reason why Casey started hating Caylee. Psychologically alot is missing from motive. She seemed to be disassociated from her and no longer considered her her daughter.
Of course, I hope I'm wrong. I hope Caylee didn't suffer.
I agree - I am just speculating. From cases I've seen - I really just doubt it. Her chances of having bipolar are slim - just me speculating.
I also am against saying she has any mental handicap (that is what these disorders are, that is why these people get help) I think she has no excuses. No mental state or feeling that made her do it. I think she was well-aware of what she was doing. She knew it was wrong but she did it anyway because she thought she could get away & she thought she could hide it & lie her way out of it.
I think a large piece of the puzzle is missing here, and there is a huge reason why Casey started hating Caylee. Psychologically alot is missing from motive. She seemed to be disassociated from her and no longer considered her her daughter.
Of course, I hope I'm wrong. I hope Caylee didn't suffer.
<Wikipedia as an authoritative source? Surely, you jest?>
Interesting that you say that after you provided no links in either post...just a theory that you present as facts and the "truth" regarding any differences between sociopaths and psychopaths. However, are you disputing that the quote is indeed the official stance of the APA? If you are, I suggest you pick up a copy of the DSM and review. If not, what is your point?
As I indicated in another post, what you put out there as "fact" is only one of many theories involving the definitions and distinctions of psychopathy and sociopathy vs. antisocial personality disorder. Again, I ask, please provide a link and explain that you are sharing what you believe to be an accurate description of such differences, and not the only or the accepted definitions of such "syndromes". I am not disputing the information you are sharing as I know there are many who have this view. Instead I have issue with how you present it...as fact. How many different distinctions and definitions of sociopath and psychopath would say are out there? There are significant differences among any diagnositic category within the DSM...not all people diagnosed with Bipolar exhibit the same symptoms or intensity of symptoms, not all those with OCD, PTSD, etc., etc. It isn't a matter of overlooking differences, within people or within a diagnosis. It is a matter of stating 'this is one way to look at it" rather than "this is how it is."
"Sociopathy" and "psychopathy" are alternate names for "antisocial personality disorder." DSM changes the names, from time to time. They all refer to the same constellation of symptoms. They are not different syndromes.
Then you misunderstand: There's a vast discussion to be had about whether she can claim insanity as a defense. I never implied that was all we could discuss, however. It seemed as though discussion was getting mired in whether she was socio or psycho....and since even the experts have difficulty with the distinction, it made more sense to allow that she could have gone "shopping" in the pathological personality disorders department and has aspects of a lot of things. To be "right" as an amateur with nothing but sideliine seats about something that experts have already evaluated her for seems a pissing contest that is more divisive than helpful. That is all.
Casey doesnt fit the criteria for a defense by reason of insanity .
The defense has very clear parameters and criteria.
I'm more inclined to consider some type of psychosis.
Sociopath and psychopath are different names for the same personality disorder. Psychotic is a whole different thing.
KC does not fit the criteria for legal insanity, because she knew she did wrong and tried to escape the consequences.
Axis II disordered people are not psychotic, though they can become psychotic. KC is not psychotic. She is sociopathic.
i Have never made a POST to this site ... like made a topic... sooo... how does it get to the top for discussion????.. I have had to search to find my own topic... alot of what is being discussed could easily fall under this topic....
WHAT caused a family dysfunction so bad that CAYLEE GAVE HER LIFE????????????
I have a thought as I try to get to sleep and can't. Usually something happens that is a trigger for violence. Could the video of Caylee's visit to the great grandparents on the 15th and the sweet and nice things that might have been said by Cindy about the visit trigger jealousy or resentment in Casey that Caylee was getting or showing loving attention that Casey believes she lacks. If Casey saw Caylee treated like she can do no wrong and at the same time Casey is treated as though she does nothing right even though she stole money, which was a substitute for love anyway, all that might trigger enough irrational hate, resentment, and anger that she has to eliminate the source of her pain for the moment. Attacking the more defenseless is typical. She didn't get what she needed by screaming at her mother as mother didn't get it.
Being told that you are not a good enough mother hurts to the core. Both women were in competition internally and Caylee was in the middle. Cindy might have been too insensitive to realize that Casey's low self esteem developed years before and Casey hid that. Obviously, Cindy hadn't paid enough attention to Casey's needs and instead focused more on her own. Casey's peer group didn't have the maturity to see any problems so Casey floundered in her morass of lucid dreaming blending into real life.
The trigger might have been the video and the reason she deleted all the pictures of Caylee from the computer.
The above mention of lies delaying scorn is truly relevant and Cindy just wasn't helping Casey grow up. She actually was pushing her away probably for a long time to save her marriage. Why didn't all three go into counseling?
The parents had no clue what was going on inside Casey.
The things that make us go HHHMMMMM..... that is what this thread is about.
And you are correct in saying the one person who could have ended this long ago will not talk....
But we can still deal with the family dynamics... Until the trial is over... KA will not talk... if she does then.. it will be with someone who builds a relationship with her over years in prision.... do I feel she will go to prision for a long time.... YES... KA is not going to talk about what happened in that family until she has nothing else absolutely to lose... right now she has benifit of the doubt that a jury will see the defense side of the story.... until that is gone and everyonje else... when she is alone in prison for life..WILL shetalk... maybe..... unless she is such a sociopath that she never admits anything... Like SP................Personally I think she is another SP>>>>>