Casey & Family Psychological Profile #4

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Oh, I don't doubt it! I'm a recovering addict and a convicted felon due to selling rx's... I realize how easy it is to get prescriptions.

Much respect to you and your recovery! :blowkiss:

I imagined you were aware of the ins & outs :), I was just sounding in because the trend in over-prescribing never ceases to shock me.

Y'all are spoiled. The Ativan Fairy never, ever visits me.
Maybe she did and you forgot?? :crazy:
I only took one of the Ativan prescribed to me and it made me forget everything I read/watched on tv for the rest of the night?? Resist the Ativan Fairy!
 
Much respect to you and your recovery! :blowkiss:

I imagined you were aware of the ins & outs :), I was just sounding in because the trend in over-prescribing never ceases to shock me.


Maybe she did and you forgot?? :crazy:
I only took one of the Ativan prescribed to me and it made me forget everything I read/watched on tv for the rest of the night?? Resist the Ativan Fairy!

Of course, while I was using I thought over-prescribing was a great thing! LOL
 
Is Casey at risk for suicide? IMO, absolutely. I say this for several reasons, one being that she has a short-sighted, simplistic world view with a history of thinking and acting as though she could use her verbal (flattery, fabricate, deny, distract, defend, etc.) and/or nonverbally (favors, dissimulation, noncompliance, acting-out, etc.) skills to both get what she wants and to avoid what she does not want, including manipulate her way out of ANY crisis. Manipulation as a lifestyle, particularly emotional manipulations, are very difficult to do in a prison with well trained staff and dominant inmates, and very particularly if there is no enabler with power and control. Given her characteristics that are consistent with histrionic, narcissistic, and borderline characteristics, Casey has already lost most of her personal power and influence, and about the only thing she controls is her bladder. She still has a bit of misguided hope, but the situational depression and general existential restlessness she experiences will certainly increase. Time and the loss of control are taking their toll. Cognitive isolation will take its toll too. Time, regimentation, and cognitive isolation for someone like Casey is a killer.

Casey is basically alone in a locked cell, most likely under fairly close observation, which would afford her some social contact from approved visitors and staff (e.g., religious, case management, custody, mental health). She, as many inmates (i.e., those in administrative segregation, disciplinary segregation, protective custody, or on death row), still has lots of time on her hands, which she will fill by focusing on her past (e.g. reflecting, reconstructing memories), present (e.g., physical sensations, pure fantasy, or just “building time” as best she can, more or less under the influence of drugs), and future (exercising her imagination, projecting herself into the future, including current planning). Under such conditions, individuals are constantly confronted with the reality their isolation, both physically and cognitively.

Of course, people start such conditions of confinement with a wide range of cognitive-behavioral-motivational predispositions and capacities, including a wide range of beliefs and related values; however, eventually most will exercise their memories progressively into the past and rebuild their SELF up to their present circumstance, essentially re-framing their understanding of their position in life, creating new opportunities for adaptive efforts related to the present and future. Of course, this re-framing process is more or less accurate and adaptive, depending on the individual and what kinds of supportive and protective structure and feedback they have. With professional counseling and accurate knowledge, such a process can have a beneficial effect, even on the most hardened criminal. Many, even the most worthless, do become interested in adaptive change, even religion, spending hundreds of hours studying the religious books of their choice. Many become keenly aware that knowledge is indeed power and an essential survival tool. Many determine to become more informed about basic human nature and their own nature. Personal education and self-knowledge become increasing important as the conditions of confinement continue to take their toll. Like it or not, Casey will have to confront her SELF, dealing with herself is about all she will have after her trial. It’s not a painless or easy process. If Casey is praying, it may be a very positive step in the process of her own habilitation. God, and topics and organizations related to God, take on a compelling nature in prison, regardless of one’s true motives. I can not imagine the pain Casey would experience if she is guilty and comes to a full understanding of what she did. I think she should be on suicide watch until long after her trial. Hyperventilating and requesting drugs? We haven’t even started the trial yet ... direct observation and no supply of drugs would be advisable.

As always, just my opinions,
Russell
 
Russell, Thankyou for addressing what KC's updated possible mental health assesment might be to date! So informative! I always look forward to your observations concerning kC. I was so glad to hear your opinion of, "No Meds,". If anyone should try and accept that it is better to face the ugly feelings of a daughters death head on without meds it is KC. I don't think it is torture to refuse KC meds to deal with a moment that was inevitable.
 
Russell, thank you so much for your assessment. I've heard that Xanax use can lead to depression. Is this true or am I misinformed?
 
We watched the rant video again last night on NG.

Amazing to see her act, spin, and manipulate, though she knows where the body is, and even how she decorated it and which toys and personal items she tossed out along side of it.

What is the motive for this high-energy, empassioned lying, while the conversation could have been much more subdued under the circumstances ?

Possible motives: feeling the need to take control of the situation with her parents, a type of role reversal. I've seen this before in other lying adult children. They take control of the parents, especially through anger.

Also, notice the body language. She's hunched over, making herself smaller. She clutches at her throat for much of the conversations. These are signs of fear and desperation.

It's very strange too how her tone changes when she describes how life will be when Caylee returns. She is rythmic and subdued in her speech, almost as if she is hypnotizing her parents and herself. This is a kind of frightening thought to me--this kind of hypnotizing speech with a dark energy behind it.

:chicken:

and the terrible part was the FAMILY never saw it in kc,
did nothing about kc,
just denied and lied all the way instead of getting help along time ago for kc.......
Thanks, Russell, also like your observations!
 
Is Casey at risk for suicide? IMO, absolutely. I say this for several reasons, one being that she has a short-sighted, simplistic world view with a history of thinking and acting as though she could use her verbal (flattery, fabricate, deny, distract, defend, etc.) and/or nonverbally (favors, dissimulation, noncompliance, acting-out, etc.) skills to both get what she wants and to avoid what she does not want, including manipulate her way out of ANY crisis. Manipulation as a lifestyle, particularly emotional manipulations, are very difficult to do in a prison with well trained staff and dominant inmates, and very particularly if there is no enabler with power and control. Given her characteristics that are consistent with histrionic, narcissistic, and borderline characteristics, Casey has already lost most of her personal power and influence, and about the only thing she controls is her bladder. She still has a bit of misguided hope, but the situational depression and general existential restlessness she experiences will certainly increase. Time and the loss of control are taking their toll. Cognitive isolation will take its toll too. Time, regimentation, and cognitive isolation for someone like Casey is a killer.

Casey is basically alone in a locked cell, most likely under fairly close observation, which would afford her some social contact from approved visitors and staff (e.g., religious, case management, custody, mental health). She, as many inmates (i.e., those in administrative segregation, disciplinary segregation, protective custody, or on death row), still has lots of time on her hands, which she will fill by focusing on her past (e.g. reflecting, reconstructing memories), present (e.g., physical sensations, pure fantasy, or just “building time” as best she can, more or less under the influence of drugs), and future (exercising her imagination, projecting herself into the future, including current planning). Under such conditions, individuals are constantly confronted with the reality their isolation, both physically and cognitively.

Of course, people start such conditions of confinement with a wide range of cognitive-behavioral-motivational predispositions and capacities, including a wide range of beliefs and related values; however, eventually most will exercise their memories progressively into the past and rebuild their SELF up to their present circumstance, essentially re-framing their understanding of their position in life, creating new opportunities for adaptive efforts related to the present and future. Of course, this re-framing process is more or less accurate and adaptive, depending on the individual and what kinds of supportive and protective structure and feedback they have. With professional counseling and accurate knowledge, such a process can have a beneficial effect, even on the most hardened criminal. Many, even the most worthless, do become interested in adaptive change, even religion, spending hundreds of hours studying the religious books of their choice. Many become keenly aware that knowledge is indeed power and an essential survival tool. Many determine to become more informed about basic human nature and their own nature. Personal education and self-knowledge become increasing important as the conditions of confinement continue to take their toll. Like it or not, Casey will have to confront her SELF, dealing with herself is about all she will have after her trial. It’s not a painless or easy process. If Casey is praying, it may be a very positive step in the process of her own habilitation. God, and topics and organizations related to God, take on a compelling nature in prison, regardless of one’s true motives. I can not imagine the pain Casey would experience if she is guilty and comes to a full understanding of what she did. I think she should be on suicide watch until long after her trial. Hyperventilating and requesting drugs? We haven’t even started the trial yet ... direct observation and no supply of drugs would be advisable.

As always, just my opinions,
Russell

ITA- it'll be eye opening, that's for sure!

Confronting yourself! Everyone should have to do it at least once in their life, most people live their entire life never having been able to see themselves as they really are.
 
and the terrible part was the FAMILY never saw it in kc,
did nothing about kc,
just denied and lied all the way instead of getting help along time ago for kc.......
Thanks, Russell, also like your observations!

Passionflower-

Oh, they saw it, they chose to let it continue because they didn't wanna deal with her having a fit. Didn't want her to freak out and scream and yell- cause a scene.. IMO
 
Russell, thank you so much for your assessment. I've heard that Xanax use can lead to depression. Is this true or am I misinformed?

I'm not touching this. :)
 
Russell, thank you so much for your assessment. I've heard that Xanax use can lead to depression. Is this true or am I misinformed?

I am not a physician and this is strictly my uninformed personal opinion, but Xanax is an anti-anxiety medication that can lead to both tolerance and dependence. Individuals respond to such medications differently, but abrupt withdrawal after prolonged usage can be life threatening. The side effects for any given individual will only be known once they start taking it. If Xanax functions as a positive reinforcer for the individual, then by definition, its termination would be associated with some level of depression (i.e., the loss of pleasure/comfort).

Russell
 
Did they show pics of the medicine cabinet? I only saw 4 bottles on the dressing table. There had to be a regular place where they stored their meds. Those out were most likely meds that were taken recently. I remember the search report saying they confiscated meds....some over the counter, etc. were they pictured in the docs?
 
I can't delete above (last) post.....wrong thread...apologize.
 
Is Casey at risk for suicide? IMO, absolutely. . . .

Aside from self-report, what are some of the more subtle suicide indicators which mental health professionals (to include correctional counselors) take seriously
in assessing a person's self-destructive potential?
 
correction people would notice, if trained in signs of possible suicide detection:

not eating
not leaving cell
rage when never exhibited before.
withdrawal
change in daily grooming habits
 
I don't know any control freaks that take meds routinely, if at all. I am sure there are some but not in my family. Control freaks are not ones usually addicted....it is difficult to get them to take meds when they need it. That does not say they don't have meds in their house but they are going to use them ONLY when they think they need them and not before...and at that...they will take a low dose and save the meds...just in case they might need them later or to possibly help someone else who "desperately" needs them.
 
Could she ever become more balanced if they gave her intensive therapy? Is it too late, supposing she doesn't get the death penalty?

Before considering KC's ability to use psychotherapy and attain more "balanced" functioning, I'd want to review findings of previously conducted psychological/psychiatric evaluations,
as well as consider the results of any additional studies. (For example, in California, it's often typical prior to sentencing or thereafter to require a 90-day psychological observation
at a prison site designed to conduct studies to identify the most appropriate setting to address a defendant's custodial & mental health needs.)

Unfortunately, women facing imprisonment have no guarantee of actually receiving gender-specific mental health assessment and treatment. Yet, common sense tells us
that women's crimes are different from those of men and are perpetrated for different reasons. Homelessness, poverty, single-motherhood & minority group membership
are leading factors which predispose women to commit crimes. It goes without saying that these psychosocial factors should be addressed in their mental health treatment plans.
Historically, this has not been the case, and women also have been offered fewer educational and vocational programs than men.

Women in custody often experience severe distress and are prone to develop physical health problems. They're at risk for self-harm as well as abuse by male correctional staff.
Women prisoners' physical and psychological health problems often eclipse their other correctional concerns.

There is a high rate of depression, anxiety, substance abuse/dependence and personality disorders among women in custody who may require treatment for their
Axis I disorders (usually medication). They also may receive substance abuse rehabilitation efforts. The leading personality disorders for women inmates include
Borderline Personality Disorder & Antisocial Personality Disorder. While, cognitive behavioral therapy as a modality has been effective in improving maladaptive patterns,
it is not seen as effective with BPDs (where Dialectical Behavior Therapy is becoming the treatment of choice).

After the most recent release of documents in this case, I wonder if KC will ever do prison time.
I shudder at the thought of Dr. Henry Lee with all that plant evidence and his skillful implantation of doubt
(as in his, "Something's wrong here!" admonition to the jury during OJ's trial). So, prison therapy for KC may become a moot point.
 
correction people would notice, if trained in signs of possible suicide detection:
not eating
not leaving cell
rage when never exhibited before.
withdrawal
change in daily grooming habits
Thanks for the reminder of what are known as "vegetative," or more obvious
signs of severe depression.

In my post above and still, I'm questioning the less obvious, more "subtle"
suicide indicators which would be of concern to mental health professionals.
Russell, where are u?
 
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