Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7

[Brini]

I feel the side issue of what KC was doing over the past 3 yrs. will be addressed at trial only to prove that the lifestyle she may have been a part of shows her life attentions were not geared to include a child. It appears we can successfully say she wasn't working a straight job except as a 'shot girl" and that job alone I don't feel could sustain her ego.

Yep! :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

I agree with a lot of what you say (not all) because I am unsure about other person, but I allow the possibility to be there till we are sure.

But I read somewhere that some lady in LA got of a murder charge because it took to long. :furious:
I hope this darn case gets going....
I am also concerned about JB because this can result in a miss trial thus needing more time to evaluate,
and more time is not a good thing.
I know it took about 10 years to get justice for the OJ case;
Goshe I hope it does not happen here.

I hope this darn case gets going soon to, honey.

 

[celticthyme]

After her engagement ended with Jesse (the one seemingly genuine one she had), her behavior became even more desperate. At the time, all of the men she was sleeping with, were unaware of her hypersexual behavior, the lies to friends and family became more elaborate,especially with Cindy. She worked so hard to keep what she was really doing from Cindy that she created in minute detail, lies about someone else. Ie. the whole hoax about Jeff, and the car, & his mother, when all the time the car sat stinking at Amscot & she was trying to be with Tony. Keeping her relationship with Tony, gave her power & control over cindy. She must have also begun to realize that Tony was not a sure thing, that & the physical encounter on the 15th of June with CA, I believe. helped push her over the edge with Caylee. The planning of
(chloroform searches,) Caylee's demise, and the covering it up however, make it very clear, legally she is not "insane" because the covering it up alone indicates she knew it was wrong.

 

[songline]

But, LE has all of her phone pings, for MONTHS. No evidence of hooking. Unless she worked out of TonE's Wal-Mart, or the A's.

:biggrin:
There are things we know, things we do not know, and things that are still being investigated.
I never Said Casey is not guilty, in fact she is in degrees, and I have no idea to what degree.
I never said she is a prostitute. It is a possibility.
I never said she sold drugs, it is a possibility.
I never said I saw all the things that LE is holding close to the vest, Or that they definitely have all the pieces.
HELLO! ! ! ! ! :biggrin: honey !

I also never diagnosed her. :biggrin:

 

[songline]

But, LE has all of her phone pings, for MONTHS. No evidence of hooking. Unless she worked out of TonE's Wal-Mart, or the A's.

Here is a real story = FACT.

Once upon a time I was leading a seminar on self worth, one of the exercises at the end of the seminar was for people to came to the front of the room and say "something I celebrate today is" ____________
a lady came up and said "My daughter got a great job at an escort service, she works 3 evenings and made $700.00" :waitasec: obviously this lady SHE HAD NO CLUE.
I pulled her on the side at the end and we spoke. The girl gave up that job. Because Mom got smart.
PS:
The girl went someplace 3 times a week - and when a call came in the next girl was sent out.
NO PINGS NONE....
I have no clue how these things generally work, but I do know this much; not always will a ping tell the entire story.

IN SHORT: Not only the information that is available to the naked eye that we should be considering.

 

[Verité]

I apologize. I didn't make myself clear. I was referencing the person who made that statement on NG. Mama also quoted him.

I don't remember his name.

Thanks! xoxoxoxoxo

No apology necessary. I think Ur pronoun was right-on. (Mama knows that s/he's got my hinky-meter on alert!)

 

[songline]

She picks her fingers, sometimes, when she looks bored.

I've never seen her look, what I'd call, "numb." She looks excited, or sad, or bored, or angry.

She has looked sad mostly when she talks about being in jail.

So are you suggesting after all the diagnosis that you offered that she has a healthy range of emothins? NOT.

I see a girl that does go numb/frozen at times; and that may include a plastic smile on occasion.
I bet when she sees a familiar face after being locked up she does smile, happy to see someone, that is not bad.
I wish I knew how to bring in pictures like The guys at Humor thread - I do not know how to do that. I wish I did know!
I wonder how you would read it? (not the pictures from her privet collection)

 

[OneLostGrl]

:clap: :clap: :clap: BEAUTIFUL LADY!!!! good post.
I do agree with much of what you say, I was jumped on for bringing up the word insane.....
I stuck with my thinking - I know I am rational.
But they are correct that by the letter of the Law - an insanity plea has to be defined as "does the perp know right from wrong"....I guess the court system must have guide lines or else it would be a free for all.
I do like guide lines, I also like open mindedness, compassion, and a willingness to see beyond the obvious.
You are 100% right; Casey is mentally and emotionally challenged and I do refrain from giving her a diagnosis, I am not her shrink. I think GA is the main train wreck, and I think that Cindy too is emotionally and mentally imbalanced.
I like the way you divide it to hot and cold people. And you are right, a person becomes a cold person because their emotions got shut off, frozen, traumatized.
AS A RESULT Casey has been damaged/punished and I personally will give this case enough time, for a miracle if need be to come out. All evidence has been tarnished, done away with - YES she did something bad. She should be where she is for a long while. But how long I do not know, I do not know all the details, no body does because they have been washed away by the crazy family. and because I pray that LE is holding stuff close to the vest so that more will not become tarnished too.

Ya know, you weren't "jumped on"- the discussion is/was about the "Insanity defense" and could/would Casey use it. What was brought to your attention was that "Insanity" is a legal, not medical (or mental health) term. And then the reasons were discussed why Casey would not qualify for such a defense. A defense, legal defense, as in when she goes to court on the charge that she murdered her daughter.

We all have our opinions (and I respect everyones) but our opinions, the way we may want to see things handled isn't going to change the laws. I get that we all have personal opinions, I have mine also (which as you know, include the fact that i am not 100% convinced that Casey had anything to do with her daughters murder and that Cindy is FAR sicker than Casey- even on a good day. That growing up with george and cindy as parents caused Casey lots of damage) but this discussion was about insanity- as a defense- and could/would she be able to use it. I didn't respond with my opinion about the insanity defense, I responded with the facts, the requirements by law- not by what WE want.

 

[OneLostGrl]

LET ME PREFACE THIS "I THINK" :
The picture of Casey with her eyes blank, or bulging out of her head..... is during a hearing where someone is talking about the insects and Caylees Little body. I think when something hard to handle shows up she gets frozen.

As I say, she disassociates. IMO her (long practiced) ability to disassociate is why people think she doesn't "feel". You learn to not feel living in a home like that, you have to- it's self preservation.

 

[OneLostGrl]

That's what I was thinking (no conscience). So far we've only see her cry for herself. I wonder why it is that sociopaths/psychopaths are only able to feel for themselves?

I'll bet KC will be stone faced and writing on a pad when they describe the details of Caylee's decomposition. I certainly don't expect tears.

I saw her feel for her father. I saw her cry when he began to cry on the stand during that very first bond hearing... like really cry. That's when I first got in my head that George may have been involved in whatever.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I think you're trickin' me into going back to review the literature to see if there's ever been a case of sociopathy with a psychotic break.


Love ya', Brini :blowkiss:

hehe- actually though rare it does happen.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I relate totally to your post--and know how that feels to put the "brakes" on your heart, whether you intended it as a pun or FS.

The description which JG gives of KC pre-Caylee disappearance and pre-jail is an account I'd heard before, but on yesterday's NG show & replays of
that, I listened with fresh ears, as well as to the account of her adult-parenting conflicts (which have been denied by CA). At that point in her life, KC sounds far
more fragile than a sociopath. JG EVEN felt it necessary to come to her defense as her mother would browbeat her, calling her "lazy," and belittling her for not
having a job, and not having finished school. . .destroying what little self esteem there might have been. (A young adult can show lassitude without it being laziness, or be unable to finish school or maintain employment without that being due to sociopathy.)

I'm with ya- I think Casey just finally learned how to stop letting herself feel.

Though I certainly don't hold Cindy responsible for Caylee's murder unless she herself killed her, Cindy sure helped Casey learn to hate herself at an early age.

 

[Brini]

hehe- actually though rare it does happen.

Yeah. At the end of a couple of 12-hour night shifts, I kinda think about having one m'self!:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

So are you suggesting after all the diagnosis that you offered that she has a healthy range of emothins? NOT.

I see a girl that does go numb/frozen at times; and that may include a plastic smile on occasion.
I bet when she sees a familiar face after being locked up she does smile, happy to see someone, that is not bad.
I wish I knew how to bring in pictures like The guys at Humor thread - I do not know how to do that. I wish I did know!
I wonder how you would read it? (not the pictures from her privet collection)

No, honey! I think a healthy range of emotions is the one thing she does NOT have. I think her emotions are superficial, and entirely involved with self. No normal empathy. No serious concern for anyone but self.

If she had got away with killing Caylee, I think the A's might have been at risk.

 

[Brini]

No apology necessary. I think Ur pronoun was right-on. (Mama knows that s/he's got my hinky-meter on alert!)

;-):blowkiss:

 

[claudicici]

...thank you Lost Girl,I so agree with you ,I think kc is neither a sociopath nor superficial.
Like you said she disassociates and is extremely unsure of herself ,all compliments of her mother...

 

[SoSueMe]

I saw her feel for her father. I saw her cry when he began to cry on the stand during that very first bond hearing... like really cry. That's when I first got in my head that George may have been involved in whatever.

I did not see KC cry when her father was on the stand. In fact, I don't think I've seen the bond hearing in its entirety. Was his testimony all about her when she started crying?

I do think that daughters sometimes feel they are closer to their father. Have you heard the saying, little boys are for their mother and little girls are for their father? For whatever reason, I feel like mothers are much harder on their daughters than their sons. KC's contempt for her mother shows big time.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I did not see KC cry when her father was on the stand. In fact, I don't think I've seen the bond hearing in its entirety. Was his testimony all about her when she started crying?

I do think that daughters sometimes feel they are closer to their father. Have you heard the saying, little boys are for their mother and little girls are for their father? For whatever reason, I feel like mothers are much harder on their daughters than their sons. KC's contempt for her mother shows big time.

Bold is mine-

And rightfully so, IMO.

I recommend watching the hearing. Though I don't think Casey's crying while her father was on the stand had anything to do with she and George being "close", we know they are/were anything but.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Yeah. At the end of a couple of 12-hour night shifts, I kinda think about having one m'self!:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

LOL- I don't doubt it!

 

[SoSueMe]

Bold is mine-

And rightfully so, IMO.

I recommend watching the hearing. Though I don't think Casey's crying while her father was on the stand had anything to do with she and George being "close", we know they are/were anything but.

Yes, rightfully so about KC's contempt for her mother and I agree.

I'm not so sure about KC not feeling she may be closer to her father. In KC's eyes, I'm sure she may feel GA loves her unconditionally, where her mother constantly berated her and would make demands on her (but never following through) and berating her even more when the demands weren't met.

She asked for her father at the jail. I think at that point in time, she just wanted to feel love from someone and not have to answer any questions.

As for KC's harsh words about her father to her friends, there were by far, many more harsh words about her mother. I think GA knew more unfavorable truths about KC, but was vetoed by CA from doing anything about them.

We see in the jailhouse videos when KC would get upset the phone was always passed to GA to calm KC down. Also, the fact that you tell me she was crying when GA was on the stand (and I will look for that video) has me wondering if she was crying when her mother was on the stand?

Personally, I had a great relationship with my mother and considered her my best friend before her death. However, she was hard on me, whereas my two brothers could do no wrong, ever. That is fine as it made me a strong person, but for many years I saw the difference in treatment and accepted it. I mention this only because I do think mothers are harder on their daughters and expect so much more from them than they do their sons. Now on the other side of the spectrum, I think fathers are much harder on their sons.

Going back to my first statement, I do not think CA and KC had a healthy relationship. CA was trying to run KC's life and berating her and making her feel worthless all the while. When KC met her new group of friends, she probably felt freedom (from her mother) for the first time in her life. Evidently and sadly, she wanted to hold on to that freedom so bad she was willing to do anything.

Geez, talk about word salad. What is my point here? Not sure if I made one, but I'm done (at least with this post). LOL