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It doesn't make sense to think Caylee or Casey got SS or any kind of legal child support payments from Caylee's dad. The reason? LE could have found this information out. But they didn't. How do I know they didn't find record of any such payments? LE did a paternity test on Lee Anthony to determine if he was or was not Caylee's father. At this point, LE probably still has no certain idea who Caylee's father is, they only know it is definitely not Lee.

How does the paternity test on Lee have to do with whether or not LE they went about verifying or disputing whether any support was being paid toward Caylee?


As for whether or not LE the SA or FBI have any idea of Caylee's paternity, I can only imagine that they might have offered testing to some other possibles to preemptively prepare for anything the defense might present at trial in regards to the identity of Caylee's father. It is anyone's guess what those results might be.
 
There is no father on Caylee's birth certificate, this is per CA. I'm sure LE, the SA and the media have all pulled the birth certificate by now and verified this information. There can be no SS benefits if there is no father on the birth certificate because you can not prove death of a non-existent person. I can't believe for a moment that Caylee's father even knew of her existence. I'm not so sure KC knew who the father was.
 
There is no father on Caylee's birth certificate, this is per CA. I'm sure LE, the SA and the media have all pulled the birth certificate by now and verified this information. There can be no SS benefits if there is no father on the birth certificate because you can not prove death of a non-existent person. I can't believe for a moment that Caylee's father even knew of her existence. I'm not so sure KC knew who the father was.
I have a hunch that KC might have an idea as to who he was but I no longer believe her family knows! Oh-the-shame for poor little Cindy!

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There is no father on Caylee's birth certificate, this is per CA. I'm sure LE, the SA and the media have all pulled the birth certificate by now and verified this information. There can be no SS benefits if there is no father on the birth certificate because you can not prove death of a non-existent person. I can't believe for a moment that Caylee's father even knew of her existence. I'm not so sure KC knew who the father was.

Caylees birth certificate was in the first doc dump, and there is no father listed on there. Just KC. I'm showing page 21.
 
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There is no father on Caylee's birth certificate, this is per CA. I'm sure LE, the SA and the media have all pulled the birth certificate by now and verified this information. There can be no SS benefits if there is no father on the birth certificate because you can not prove death of a non-existent person. I can't believe for a moment that Caylee's father even knew of her existence. I'm not so sure KC knew who the father was.[/QUOTEather. ]

My guess is that KC doesn't know.

Kio said KC had eight boyfriends, around that time. Though she DID meet a young man whom KC introduced as the father. KC later told Kio that he had died. She FIRST told Kio that they split up, because they just weren't that into eachother.

RP said he thinks that KC got pregnant at an early Christmas party, and prolly isn't sure which of her "friends" sired Caylee.

Even if she DOES know, my guess is that she will never tell her parents. It's a control issue.
 
It doesn't make sense to think Caylee or Casey got SS or any kind of legal child support payments from Caylee's dad. The reason? LE could have found this information out. But they didn't. How do I know they didn't find record of any such payments? LE did a paternity test on Lee Anthony to determine if he was or was not Caylee's father. At this point, LE probably still has no certain idea who Caylee's father is, they only know it is definitely not Lee.

LA said he has an opinion of who the father might be, but he doesn't know for sure.

In any case, we now know that KC is not getting SS. SS would need some proof of paternity. Preferably a name on the birth cert.

As previously posted, it also wouldn't matter, at this point, since she's incarcerated, and likely to remain so. She can't get SS benefits.
 
How does the paternity test on Lee have to do with whether or not LE they went about verifying or disputing whether any support was being paid toward Caylee?


As for whether or not LE the SA or FBI have any idea of Caylee's paternity, I can only imagine that they might have offered testing to some other possibles to preemptively prepare for anything the defense might present at trial in regards to the identity of Caylee's father. It is anyone's guess what those results might be.

Do you remember the FBI interview with George Anthony - the one where he told the FBI agent he lost the family savings in a Nigerian Scam, not online gambling? The reason George said that was because he knew then that the FBI was looking into the family finances and that they could easily determine whether or not he lost the money in online gambling, so he had to change his story to something much harder to trace. SS payments, child support payments and so forth are easy for LE to trace through government records.

At the time Caylee was still missing LE was very interested in determing who Caylee's father was. I suspect that LP, who has a good relationship with the FBI, allowed the FBI to use him to attempt to flush the answer out of the Anthony's by alledging that Lee was Casey's father. It is easy to see that Cindy was very concerned with appearances and almost certainly, if she knew the answer and someone made that allegation about her son, she would have screamed from the rooftops who Caylee's dad was. But she didn't answer, which left an open question, which would require that LE rule him out as the father as part of the investigation.

It was obvious, that the Anthony's were hard up for money - most especially Casey - and there are a number of reasons why she might not be collecting support despite needing the money, such as.

1. Child is product of incest
2. Child is product of rape
3. Father of child is married and woman agrees not to ask him for money because it would expose their relationship to his wife
4. Father of child dumped mother when she told him she is pregnant and disappeared.
5. Father of child is in prison
6. Father of child is dangerous person who threatens mother of child.

LE would have been ruling out all of the above in this case because the presence of any of these scenarios could point to a suspect (the father) with a motive to take and kill Caylee - especially if Casey threatened him that she was going to demand support. Determining that Lee was not Caylee's father was part of ruling out these possibilities in the investigation.
 
There is no father on Caylee's birth certificate, this is per CA. I'm sure LE, the SA and the media have all pulled the birth certificate by now and verified this information. There can be no SS benefits if there is no father on the birth certificate because you can not prove death of a non-existent person. I can't believe for a moment that Caylee's father even knew of her existence. I'm not so sure KC knew who the father was.


I doubt very seriously if Casey herself knew who the father was and therefore, I don't think Caylee would have been receiving SS benefits. I worked for the Social Security Administration for many years and I have determined paternity on hundreds of children of deceased wage earners. Social Security requires adjudicators to approach the paternity issue as if you will pay the child. In other words, don't approach it trying to deny benefits. True, there has to be "written acknowledgment" absent a court order, but that written acknowledgment can be loosely defined. In other words, if he completed a Form W-4 claiming 1 child and there were no other known children, you could call that "written" even if he did not name the child. If he wrote his mother months before the child was born and said something like, "Jane is going to have our baby in May" that can be it even though Jane's legal name is Susan Marie and people just call her Jane. You just have to document with Susan's sister that yes, she was called Jane by some of her friends. So, you see this law is really a joke by the time Social Security finishes with it.

Another thing, the younger a wage earner is when he dies or becomes disabled, the larger the check! 'Doesn't make a lot of sense but that is true.
 
Do you remember the FBI interview with George Anthony - the one where he told the FBI agent he lost the family savings in a Nigerian Scam, not online gambling? The reason George said that was because he knew then that the FBI was looking into the family finances and that they could easily determine whether or not he lost the money in online gambling, so he had to change his story to something much harder to trace. SS payments, child support payments and so forth are easy for LE to trace through government records.

At the time Caylee was still missing LE was very interested in determing who Caylee's father was. I suspect that LP, who has a good relationship with the FBI, allowed the FBI to use him to attempt to flush the answer out of the Anthony's by alledging that Lee was Casey's father. It is easy to see that Cindy was very concerned with appearances and almost certainly, if she knew the answer and someone made that allegation about her son, she would have screamed from the rooftops who Caylee's dad was. But she didn't answer, which left an open question, which would require that LE rule him out as the father as part of the investigation.

It was obvious, that the Anthony's were hard up for money - most especially Casey - and there are a number of reasons why she might not be collecting support despite needing the money, such as.

1. Child is product of incest
2. Child is product of rape
3. Father of child is married and woman agrees not to ask him for money because it would expose their relationship to his wife
4. Father of child dumped mother when she told him she is pregnant and disappeared.
5. Father of child is in prison
6. Father of child is dangerous person who threatens mother of child.

LE would have been ruling out all of the above in this case because the presence of any of these scenarios could point to a suspect (the father) with a motive to take and kill Caylee - especially if Casey threatened him that she was going to demand support. Determining that Lee was not Caylee's father was part of ruling out these possibilities in the investigation.


7) KC doesn't know who the father is.

8) KC doesn't care who the father is.

9) CA and KC don't want any other family involved w/ Caylee's upbringing.


Princess, the family discussion of the Nigerian scam preceeded the murder by YEARS. It's not something that GA had to suddenly make up AFTER the crime. This has been onging in the extended family for a very long time-- long before RP's wedding.

IIRC, it started back in Ohio. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks.)

LE never SERIOUSLY considered anybody BUT KC as the killer.

LE never had much interest in the bio fa, because there was never any evidence whatever of his interest or involvement at ANY time. There has been no contact, no threats, no blackmail, and no evidence whatever that support has been requested or given. Ever. No motive, no method, and because no one had access to the child but the As-- no opportunity.

AEB, the ONLY boyfriends of KCs that LE questioned were JG (because KC tried to convince him that he was he father), and the guys in her social group around the time of the murder. They did not go back and hunt up every guy whom she dated who could have impregnated her.

They also did not test anyone BUT LA for paternity, though they could tell by the DNA composition that there was no incest.

I heard why from the horse's mouth--- an FBI agent. He said they wanted "to put a lid on the silly rumormongering, because people were getting excited about non-issues." And it was, "detracting from the serious issues around the crime." LE also didn't start the rumor, per my friend. The was strictly LP, who happened to get a lot of people excited about the idea.

As for CA concealing the identity of the fa to protect the family image-- NOTHING is worse for the family image than having a daughter in jail for murdering her baby. If CA knew any different, she WOULD be shouting the perp's name from the roofs. NO crime is worse than filicide of an infant.

LE does not have to investigate paternity to satisfy our curiosity. And, that's all it is.. personal curiosity. It has no bearing on the crime.

And, it may be that RP is right that KC got knocked up at a party. Or, by one of her several marginally employed or unemployed bfs.

But, it doesn't matter. We resolved the question that KC is not getting SS. No father, no SS. Also, no SS in prison. Period.
 
7) KC doesn't know who the father is.

8) KC doesn't care who the father is.

9) CA and KC don't want any other family involved w/ Caylee's upbringing.


Princess, the family discussion of the Nigerian scam preceeded the murder by YEARS. It's not something that GA had to suddenly make up AFTER the crime. This has been onging in the extended family for a very long time-- long before RP's wedding.

IIRC, it started back in Ohio. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks.)

LE never SERIOUSLY considered anybody BUT KC as the killer.

LE never had much interest in the bio fa, because there was never any evidence whatever of his interest or involvement at ANY time. There has been no contact, no threats, no blackmail, and no evidence whatever that support has been requested or given. Ever. No motive, no method, and because no one had access to the child but the As-- no opportunity.

AEB, the ONLY boyfriends of KCs that LE questioned were JG (because KC tried to convince him that he was he father), and the guys in her social group around the time of the murder. They did not go back and hunt up every guy whom she dated who could have impregnated her.

They also did not test anyone BUT LA for paternity, though they could tell by the DNA composition that there was no incest.

I heard why from the horse's mouth--- an FBI agent. He said they wanted "to put a lid on the silly rumormongering, because people were getting excited about non-issues." And it was, "detracting from the serious issues around the crime." LE also didn't start the rumor, per my friend. The was strictly LP, who happened to get a lot of people excited about the idea.

As for CA concealing the identity of the fa to protect the family image-- NOTHING is worse for the family image than having a daughter in jail for murdering her baby. If CA knew any different, she WOULD be shouting the perp's name from the roofs. NO crime is worse than filicide of an infant.

LE does not have to investigate paternity to satisfy our curiosity. And, that's all it is.. personal curiosity. It has no bearing on the crime.

And, it may be that RP is right that KC got knocked up at a party. Or, by one of her several marginally employed or unemployed bfs.

But, it doesn't matter. We resolved the question that KC is not getting SS. No father, no SS. Also, no SS in prison. Period.

Brini, you just said that LE tested Lee A. to put a rumor to rest. You go on to say that LE does not have to investigate paternity to satisfy our curiosity.
True but,
which is it? You can't have it both ways. If they don't satisfy our curiousty we'll keep talking/asking about it. It could be put to rest easily enough if there wasn't so much mystery surrounding the ID of the bio and so many different answers that have been given.

Some of us believe that more than likely KC knows who fathered Caylee. The odds are greater that she does know imo. Not many people think whoever that was/is is responsible for Caylee's death. We think knowing the circumstances might shed some light on the psychology of KC and the family.

Also please provide some sources for all your factual claims. Which FBI agent? How do you know the Nigerian scam thingy was discussed way back prior to RP's wedding? And, finally, do you know who the father is/was because, honestly, it sure sounds as if you do. I'm not trying to cause a fight. I think mine are legitimate questions. :waitasec:
 
Brini, you just said that LE tested Lee A. to put a rumor to rest. You go on to say that LE does not have to investigate paternity to satisfy our curiosity.
True but,
which is it? You can't have it both ways. If they don't satisfy our curiousty we'll keep talking/asking about it. It could be put to rest easily enough if there wasn't so much mystery surrounding the ID of the bio and so many different answers that have been given.

Some of us believe that more than likely KC knows who fathered Caylee. The odds are greater that she does know imo. Not many people think whoever that was/is is responsible for Caylee's death. We think knowing the circumstances might shed some light on the psychology of KC and the family.

Also please provide some sources for all your factual claims. Which FBI agent? How do you know the Nigerian scam thingy was discussed way back prior to RP's wedding? And, finally, do you know who the father is/was because, honestly, it sure sounds as if you do. I'm not trying to cause a fight. I think mine are legitimate questions. :waitasec:

I don't see a conflict, WBG.

They don't have to test, but they did to shut down the rumor mill (per what I was told). They apparently felt that it would be helpful. Not my decision; theirs. I've also wondered whether the As might have asked them to do it. My friend said nothing about that.

I have no idea how successful it was, because my friend (my ex bf, actually) and I didn't discuss it.

Yes, I know who the FBI agent is. He's an ex-bf of mine. No, he is not with the FL agencies-- he was telling me the scuttlebutt he's got from the offices.

Am I going to post his name for you? No. You can take it or leave it, as you like. I found it very informative, however. ;-) I did not report it as fact, BTW. I reported a conversation with a close friend who happens to work for the feds.

However, I can assure you that we did not, and he would not have, discussed the criminal elements of an active investigation, with me.

LE did not go back and test the guys whom KC dated, at about that time of Caylee's conception. Except JG, as he was the designated father, and to rule him out. Then, they cleared JG. There were no warrants issued nor was there any testimony from her other bfs, back in the day.

I've never seen any investigation of the early Christmas party where RP thinks KC got knocked up, in the doc dumps. RP cooperated with LE, and also worked with NG, for awhile.

I have no idea whether KC knows or not. How would I know who the fa is, and why would I care? Except that I might find it entertaining for five minutes.

The psychology of the family may be fun for us, but LE is apparently all about evidence. The only psychology that LE cares about are the two work-ups of KC, which have been long since done. They know she is competent to stand trial, and is not legally insane.

As NG pointed out to us, on several shows, they don't need a motive to prove murder. All they need is the evidence. However, LE apparently believes that they have the motive, in any case. And, they have seen ALL the evidence.

We have seen no document dumps re: testimony of any of the guys KC was running with, at the time of conception, other than JG. No evidence of any support money or contact, in the doc dumps. LE has all of KC's texts, phone calls, and auto pings. No warrants served on KC's bfs, for that time.

In short, there is as much evidence of the bio dad still being around as there is of Zanny the Nanny.

You may believe that KC knows who the father is, and that's fine. I have no opinion, either way. A lot of people won't identify the other bio parent. This, including one of my cousins, a nurse with whom I work, and the rescuer (a guy) from whom I adopted my pets.

Oh, and the Nigerian scam thing-- that came from a couple of RP's postings. We all had heard that CA lost the money in online poker (that's what got into the papers). RP said that CA and GA thought that online poker sounded more respectable than a Nigerian scam, for some reason. :eek: RP also said that happened long before his wedding. IIRC, in Ohio, but I'm not too clear on location. I don't know where the links are, on w/s. I read RP's stuff on Topix. I think there are also some references to the scam in the doc dumps, somewhere. The As nearly divorced over it.

Anybody remember where Rick's stuff is on w/s?

So, to summarize-- we may be personally curious about the father's identity. But, LEs job is not to find out for us. If they thought the fa was involved, we'd see evidence of this in LE activity-- warrants, arrests, searches, interrogations. Unexplained texts, phone calls, and pings.

We aren't seeing any of that.

It doesn't look like the bio father matters to anyone who matters to the case.
 
Thanks Brini. We aren't seeing a lot of stuff I'm afraid. We'll see at trial what comes up. But until an identity is confirmed, the question is due to come up over and over again. Human nature I'm afraid.

and please note, I'm not the one who brought it up! Just when it does come up, I do understand peoples' questions/curiosity about the subject.
 
Not that it really matters, but LE didn't have to do any paternity testing on JG; that had been done around the time of Caylee's birth.

I doubt that there are any SS payments, but I still want to know if KC had any of her own accounts--checking, savings, credit card, etc. I also want to see tax returns and whether or not KC and Caylee were listed as dependents on GA and CA's taxes!

Maybe we need to start a "follow the money" thread.
 
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Thanks Brini. We aren't seeing a lot of stuff I'm afraid. We'll see at trial what comes up. But until an identity is confirmed, the question is due to come up over and over again. Human nature I'm afraid.

and please note, I'm not the one who brought it up! Just when it does come up, I do understand peoples' questions/curiosity about the subject.

That's fine! Yep, re: human nature! :-)
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I bet the ID on the Father would have mattered to Caylee. Isn't she the one who matters most? We used to say Don't forget about Caylee. IMO she would have wanted to know eventually - but you are right, it doesn't matter now, to her anyway. :mad:
 
I meant that it didn't really matter whether or not it was LE or JG/Anthonys who did the testing. Of COURSE it would have mattered to Caylee!
 
Not that it really matters, but LE didn't have to do any paternity testing on JG; that had been done around the time of Caylee's birth.

I doubt that there are any SS payments, but I still want to know if KC had any of her own accounts--checking, savings, credit card, etc. I also want to see tax returns and whether or not KC and Caylee were listed as dependents on GA and CA's taxes!

Maybe we need to start a "follow the money" thread.

Yeah, I was wondering whether she has a bank account, too.

Be great to know who, exactly, claimed Caylee.

But, on the other hand... LE said her last employment was the first quarter of '06. So, she wouldn't have filed since maybe for the year of '05.......
 
I bet the ID on the Father would have mattered to Caylee. Isn't she the one who matters most? We used to say Don't forget about Caylee. IMO she would have wanted to know eventually - but you are right, it doesn't matter now, to her anyway. :mad:


Maybe she would hav wanted to know. Maybe she wouldn't, because he had never been around for her, in any case.

But, now, she will never have the CHOICE. :mad::mad::mad:
 
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