Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #2

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Just a hunch, but I believe Casey is the one who wrote the '03 and the 'Carpe Diem' the same time as the June 21 (presumably '08) entry. I also think she tore out the pages before June 21, as this was an entire new chapter in her life and she was starting with a fresh slate. The writing style on the front cover was similar to writing she used in jail with Cookie (or whomever) and the red ink was also a give away. I believe she wrote the '03 and the purposely ambiguous June 21 entry thinking she was cleverly fooling whomever might pick up the diary. IMO.

ETA: It makes sense to me that she had the diary with her at Tony's and it was sent home with the rest of her belongings by Lee.
 
Oakley said:
Just a hunch, but I believe Casey is the one who wrote the '03 and the 'Carpe Diem' the same time as the June 21 (presumably '08) entry. I also think she tore out the pages before June 21, as this was an entire new chapter in her life and she was starting with a fresh slate. The writing style on the front cover was similar to writing she used in jail with Cookie (or whomever) and the red ink was also a give away. I believe she wrote the '03 and the purposely ambiguous June 21 entry thinking she was cleverly fooling whomever might pick up the diary. IMO.

ETA: It makes sense to me that she had the diary with her at Tony's and it was sent home with the rest of her belongings by Lee.
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When LE took pictures of their search of the A. home in December 2008, the pictures start off with the bed clear, and then later there is a whole pile of things on the bed, including the diary. Therefore, it seems that LE put those things on the bed during the search.

Many of the things on the bed in the later pictures can be found in the closet or in a pile on the floor in the earlier pictures. I'll see if I can find the diary in the closet/floor pictures unless someone beats me to it! :)

If the diary was buried in the closet somewhere, it seems to me more likely that it was an older diary. If it was in the pile on the floor, it seems to me more likely that it was a current diary.
 
AZlawyer said:
When LE took pictures of their search of the A. home in December 2008, the pictures start off with the bed clear, and then later there is a whole pile of things on the bed, including the diary. Therefore, it seems that LE put those things on the bed during the search.

Many of the things on the bed in the later pictures can be found in the closet or in a pile on the floor in the earlier pictures. I'll see if I can find the diary in the closet/floor pictures unless someone beats me to it! :)

If the diary was buried in the closet somewhere, it seems to me more likely that it was an older diary. If it was in the pile on the floor, it seems to me more likely that it was a current diary.
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AZ- here's the search pics of the house inside in Dec 08. Haven't been able to spot it yet, but take a look.
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18740442/detail.html
 
I recall seeing a photo (way back) of the front of the diary, but don't recall ever seeing one of it lying anywhere.
 
IMHO, anyone (e.g. Casey, Cindy, Lee, etc.) intent on getting rid of any of the contents of the diary prior to LE's discovery (and photography) would've simply gotten rid of the entire book vs. going to the trouble to rip out pages. IMHO, the simplest solution is the best here...purging the pages was just another way of emphatically making "...a new beginning."
 
Oakley said:
I recall seeing a photo (way back) of the front of the diary, but don't recall ever seeing one of it lying anywhere.
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Can you remember what the cover looked like? Blue with possibly a cat design?

Wondering why, if this wasn't relevant, or of a paswt date, why did CA take the trouble to give this to BConway for safekeeping?
 
Capri said:
Can you remember what the cover looked like? Blue with possibly a cat design?

Wondering why, if this wasn't relevant, or of a paswt date, why did CA take the trouble to give this to BConway for safekeeping?
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Playing the part of Mr. Obvious...there is a watermark-like stylized 'cat' design on the page. The colors of the cover can be seen somewhat on the edges that fold over to the inside which are visible in the pic(s) of the pages.

IMHO, Cindy wasn't in the driver's seat on what to do w/ the diary. Conway was prolly present during the search of the house and advised his client at some point that it would be best kept in a manner that acknowledged its presence and would be above-board, IYKWIM.
 
Capri said:
Can you remember what the cover looked like? Blue with possibly a cat design?

Wondering why, if this wasn't relevant, or of a paswt date, why did CA take the trouble to give this to BConway for safekeeping?
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Oakley said:
I recall seeing a photo (way back) of the front of the diary, but don't recall ever seeing one of it lying anywhere.
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Here you go:
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021809remainsfoundOCSOpictures_set10/1/lg/208794.htm
 
Silly question showing my ignorance...

Released docs make any comments on anything appearing on the pages AFTER the "June 21" entry?
 
BondJamesBond said:
Silly question showing my ignorance...

Released docs make any comments on anything appearing on the pages AFTER the "June 21" entry?
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BJB, this may be the million dollar question.

We have the reports of the "ghost" impressions on the front page (which IMO is the first blank page after the cover, in this type of journal, typically slightly heavier weight paper than the internal ones and unlined whereas internal pages are lined front and back). But we do not yet know how many pages were torn out, nor what was written on the pages behind the June 21 entry.
 
nums24 said:
Not that I saw. In the FBI report there are "translated" writings of impressions left in the diary.

Here is the link: http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/handwritinganalysis.pdf
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ynotdivein said:
BJB, this may be the million dollar question.

We have the reports of the "ghost" impressions on the front page (which IMO is the first blank page after the cover, in this type of journal, typically slightly heavier weight paper than the internal ones and unlined whereas internal pages are lined front and back). But we do not yet know how many pages were torn out, nor what was written on the pages behind the June 21 entry.
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IIRC, upthread JWG & AZ seemed to be indicating the impression writing was likely some combination pre-"June 21" page writing and/or pre/post "Carpe Diem" page writing. That maybe me leaping from what they wrote across a huge chasm in my imagination to a conclusion.

Seems LE would have photographed another page or two if they had been written on. Seems reasonable to conclude that if LE had photographed them we would've seen them by now.

Worth noting...IF the entry was '08 and my memory serves...it would've been a euphoric Saturday-after-Fusian-after-disposing-of-the-body entry.
 
BondJamesBond said:
IIRC, upthread JWG & AZ seemed to be indicating the impression writing was likely some combination pre-"June 21" page writing and/or pre/post "Carpe Diem" page writing. That maybe me leaping from what they wrote across a huge chasm in my imagination to a conclusion.

Seems LE would have photographed another page or two if they had been written on. Seems reasonable to conclude that if LE had photographed them we would've seen them by now.

Worth noting...IF the entry was '08 and my memory serves...it would've been a euphoric Saturday-after-Fusian-after-disposing-of-the-body entry.
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BBM

I already believed the June 21 entry was written in 2008.... but THIS just sealed it for me. I don't know if they will ever be able to prove it with certainty when it was written, but you just proved it to me way beyond any reasonable doubt.

Thanks, BJB!
 
FWIW...

1) if you follow the concept that tearing out the pages was a symbolic 'purge' of Caylee (similar to Photobucket nod to Capri :thumb:)...

2)...and if '04 was the year Casey became pregnant...

=> perhaps Casey simply wrote '03 on the page in the present time (e.g. '08) to further symbolize some sorta continuity between her life BEFORE Caylee to her life AFTER Caylee. IOW...continuing w/ the 'purged Caylee from her life' thinking.

:twocents:
 
Capri said:
Can you remember what the cover looked like? Blue with possibly a cat design?

Wondering why, if this wasn't relevant, or of a paswt date, why did CA take the trouble to give this to BConway for safekeeping?
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Sorry I didn't respond to this last night, Capri (I'd gone to sleep.) 'Thanks' to AZ for posting pic of cover.

ITA, can't think of any reason for Brad being 'keeper of the diary' if it didn't have significance.
 
Sparky said:
The Blue Journal has 152 internal pages in it. JA picked it up from BC 2/2/10.

Pages 28 & 29

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0406/23069695.pdf
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I can't find pages 28/29 about a blue journal for some reason, is it a listing in an inventory? I may be blind from skimming over documents :) We never saw any pages come out in discovery, right? so presumably nothing of interest in it? (At least I always check the official documents pages and haven't seen any more discovery come out, maybe I've missed it.)

I was always waiting because I had the impression the prosecution had something from the diary they considered to be evidence (I only knew of the cat design diary), yet nothing ever came out in discovery....only that old entry from 2003 that had nothing to do with anything. If they'd had anything from either diary they considered to be evidence wouldn't we have seen it by now, or can they still be holding stuff back?
 
seagull65 said:
I can't find pages 28/29 about a blue journal for some reason, is it a listing in an inventory? We never saw any pages come out in discovery, right? so presumably nothing of interest in it? (At least I always check the official documents pages and haven't seen any more discovery come out, maybe I've missed it.)

I was always waiting because I had the impression maybe the prosecution had something useful from the diary (I only knew of the cat design diary), yet nothing ever came out in discovery, so apparently there wasn't anything? The only thing I saw come out was a diary entry from 2003 that has nothing to do with anything. If they'd had anything they considered to be evidence wouldn't we have seen it by now, or can they still be holding stuff back?
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re BBM

In this doc dump we see that the diary with 2003 written on the corner wasn't manufactured/available until 2004.
 
where's a link to this info? Is this doc dump linked in the official documents? I just never came across this info before. Anyone who has links to new stuff please be sure and post it there! :)

ok, that's interesting if the diary wasn't manufactured until 2004 and she backdated an entry wrong, but still, I wonder how they think it connects to the case? There didn't seem to be anything pertinent there, just looked like a girl writing about school, social life. If there are any entries that seem to be evidence in the case wouldn't they have come out in discovery? At least I haven't seen them, I was always kind of waiting.

Regarding missing pages from the (cat) diary, I can't see (a) someone recording anything about a murder in a diary, or (b) Lee or someone else (if they somehow found out there was something incriminating in a diary) ripping out pages but leaving the rest of the diary. Why leave it around? Just burn or toss the whole thing.
 
seagull65 said:
I can't find pages 28/29 about a blue journal for some reason, is it a listing in an inventory?
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p. 28 is the OSCO property form listing the diary as received from BC

p. 29 is a "Receipt of Evidence" doc drafted by BC and signed by John Allen

Both docs are dated Feb. 12, 2010.
 
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