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Thinker Belle said:
It's been a long week and I am finally able to actually read through these depos, ... and I kind of wished I wouldn't have..:sigh: ... The DT story (presented at trial) doesn't make any sense. Reading these depos only brought it all back how big of a liar FCA is.. I know, I know I'm simply stating the obvious.. preaching to the choir. But let's break it down.,,

So, it is early morning hours and Princess Casey is still catching up on her beauty sleep. Suddenly, GA comes barging in, "Where's Caylee?" (this is nonsensical fact 1-- CA testified that everything was fine and dandy when she went to work. If she truly believes there was a drowning, or wanted to make it appear as such, then she would have lied and said everyone was faaaast asleep and she had to tiptoe around the house since it was "early morning hours" and she didn't notice the back door was wide open. (Nonsensical fact 2-- nobody would immediately start yelling at their daughter when the granddaughter is nowhere to be seen. A normal response would be, "Is Caylee in there with you?".. Half-question, half-hoping.) Besides, I thought FCA locked her door anyway! How would GA know Caylee wasn't there?? GA goes out of the back door while FCA out of the front (nonsensical fact 3-- that was quite convenient seeing that the pool is the major hazard in the household.) GA finds the body while FCA makes a beeline to the backyard (nonsensical fact 4-- this is even MORE convenient for her! She doesn't actually do anything in the front yard that she was going to look for Caylee in.. she just walks out the front door and goes straight to the back yard... whatever.) In the time it took for FCA to walk halfway around the house, George has found the body, taken it out, and laid it on the ground, posing himself with Caylee in his arms (nonsensical fact 5-- WOW.. THAT was lightning QUICK!!!). Caylee is dead. (NF 6-- she's dead like in a movie. Her eyes are closed and she's not moving. She's just "dead." Everything is still moving so conveniently for her!) Casey begins to cry...and cry...and cry. (NF 7-- According to JB.. she does not grieve like normal people do... What's up with the crying?)George then says, "LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE DONE!.." (NF 8-- FCA didn't do anything, she was just sleeping, right?) Your mother will never forgive you! (NF 9 - Wait, Cindy has perpetually forgiven Casey for EVERYTHING she has done in her entire life. She has always turned a blind eye to her wrongdoings)".. and you will go to jail for child neglect for the rest of your freakin' life." (NF 10-- Parents have to sleep! What was supposed to be neglectful? And seriously, the rest of your life? For an accidental drowning? OK.. NF 11--Why would GA lie about this minor crime, and continue to lie about it, especially in light of the coming events in the next 3 years with his daughter charged with murder 1 and facing the death penalty? I thought the point of lying was to keep her out of jail in the first place! Makes no sense! FCA then asks her father for help (NF 12-- WHY? This is the man that has supposedly been a villain toward her forever! Yeah right.. ask the child-molesting rapist for help in covering up an ACCIDENT just so Mom doesn't get mad. In fact, let's lie to Mom.. let's lie and lie and lie and make her think the child is alive and in danger somewhere because THAT certainly wouldn't tick her off!) Riiight..]None of it makes sense.

Something else.. the DT made no connection from GA to the bogus kidnapping story. I wonder why? Hmmm... perhaps because it would make their "theory" even more implausible? What are we supposed to believe happened? After all, the whole coverup was "for Cindy" so the two of them HAD to have discussed what the story was going to be. Did GA just tell her, "Don't say anything until Mom asks. Then say whatever and I'll act clueless about it." And FCA just so happened to have a nonexistent nanny in her arsenal of lies? :floorlaugh:

Or did it go something like...
George: "Let's blame it on the babysitter when Mom asks about it."
Casey: "Dad, there was no babysitter."
George: "HOT DOG! What luck! Let's not blame her right away. Let's wait until Mom gets really angry."

And am I supposed to believe that while FCA was knocking boots with TL, George somehow found the address, located the car, put Caylee in it, let FCA drive around in it for a while, then waited until FCA was distracted again, steal the car again, and dump the body "somewhere"..
Then Kronk finds it where GA put it, Kronk steals the body for whatever reason even though he reported the finding. Put it back so he could report it again.... months go by, and a man walking through the woods who uses steriods came along and found the skull... took it to the Anthony's home and applied duct tape to it, then submerged it in water so it would look like the tape decomposed with the body, brought the skull back to the remains site, threaded weeds and roots through the skeleton so it would look like it was there the whole time, then he let his dog bury some of the bones, and then went, "doo dee doooo" merrily along his way....

I guess I'm supposed to believe that, since that's what the DT said.
They could never really decide who did what with the bones, because after we got the story about the steroid user in the woods with the A's duct tape, it switched back to being all about GA in the closing argument, then returned to Kronk, before finally switching back to GA by saying it was ONE person and ONE PERSON ONLY and now all of a sudden the duct tape wasn't used on the body at all... huh??:confused:

Whew...thanks for letting me vent.. this forum is like therapy! How did the jury not see through this? This was all stuff said at trial. Reading these depos only cemented that FCA is a chronic liar, but they didn't need the evals to show that she was lying about everything!..What did they even talk about during deliberations anyway? :banghead:
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Wowzers - Wonderful Vent - :tyou:
 
Aedrys said:
Wow. I don't remember you wrapping it around your head! I must have missed that! Crazy girl!!!! LOL. Love you, Logicalgirl! The lengths you're willing to go to for sake of science and Caylee is admirable!
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Always ready to take one for the WS team. We were in some very lively or even heated discussions about whether this was an accidental death and Caylee did indeed drown in the pool because remember this was all before this CARP about George came out.

The issue was - what did OCA do with Caylee while her skin and hair were drying because we know duct tape does not stick to wet or damp skin/hair. And what would be the point of chucking Caylee in the pool if her face - including nose and mouth were completely covered in duct tape - it didn't make sense since she would smother with or without the pool.

So in the midst of those discussions I had several sessions in my bathroom - just me and a roll of duct tape sitting on the edge of my bathtub - trying to get duct tape to stick to me or my hair after both a bath and a shower.

And hoping like crazy that one of my adult DD's didn't walk in the front door unexpectedly and find me sitting nude in the bathroom with duct tape on my head and around various parts of my body. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

They already thought I'd gone slightly over the edge with my "imaginary friends" at WS! :great: But the final result of my three or four experiments was no - it doesn't stick.

Ah yes - Good Times!! :woot:
 
Oh my logicalgirl I can only imagine what great concern your girls would've had for you if you'd been found while testing out the duct tape vs. water issue.. I can hear the talk they'd have sat you down for..lol.. Of course, only after removing the soggy mess of duct tape you'd managed to experiment with in the tub.. Hehehehe!!

Thanks for the long and loud chuckle!!! :D
 
yolorado said:
Another problem I had with Dr W was that he found grand significance in something George said at the memorial, but he didn't seem to have nearly as much concern over a woman who didn't call 9-1-1 because she was apparently too busy uploading photos to facebook and tweeting her new squeeze just after (he thought possible) she found out her father sexually abused then murdered her daughter. That could be shock. But he sees guilt in a memorial service comment? Why wouldn't he attribute that to shock as well? Doesn't it make sense that a father/ grandfather might be in a haze having realized his child did away with his grandchild? I despair for our country if this is the quality of thinking from our "experts"
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I feel your pain. I'm still frustrated over some of the psychs believing OJ was innocent. :crazy:

It all comes down to those, regardless of education, who think with their emotions instead of their brains. It is fairly easy to pick a jury who thinks like that too. Look at the demographics and check some records and bingo, you may hit the jackpot in Voir Dire.
 
Any word from any of the jury members recently? Or did they go back under the rock?
 
logicalgirl said:
Always ready to take one for the WS team. We were in some very lively or even heated discussions about whether this was an accidental death and Caylee did indeed drown in the pool because remember this was all before this CARP about George came out.

The issue was - what did OCA do with Caylee while her skin and hair were drying because we know duct tape does not stick to wet or damp skin/hair. And what would be the point of chucking Caylee in the pool if her face - including nose and mouth were completely covered in duct tape - it didn't make sense since she would smother with or without the pool.

So in the midst of those discussions I had several sessions in my bathroom - just me and a roll of duct tape sitting on the edge of my bathtub - trying to get duct tape to stick to me or my hair after both a bath and a shower.

And hoping like crazy that one of my adult DD's didn't walk in the front door unexpectedly and find me sitting nude in the bathroom with duct tape on my head and around various parts of my body. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

They already thought I'd gone slightly over the edge with my "imaginary friends" at WS! :great: But the final result of my three or four experiments was no - it doesn't stick.

Ah yes - Good Times!! :woot:
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OMG..you sure did take one for the team :floorlaugh:
 
logicalgirl said:
Always ready to take one for the WS team. We were in some very lively or even heated discussions about whether this was an accidental death and Caylee did indeed drown in the pool because remember this was all before this CARP about George came out.

The issue was - what did OCA do with Caylee while her skin and hair were drying because we know duct tape does not stick to wet or damp skin/hair. And what would be the point of chucking Caylee in the pool if her face - including nose and mouth were completely covered in duct tape - it didn't make sense since she would smother with or without the pool.

So in the midst of those discussions I had several sessions in my bathroom - just me and a roll of duct tape sitting on the edge of my bathtub - trying to get duct tape to stick to me or my hair after both a bath and a shower.

And hoping like crazy that one of my adult DD's didn't walk in the front door unexpectedly and find me sitting nude in the bathroom with duct tape on my head and around various parts of my body. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

They already thought I'd gone slightly over the edge with my "imaginary friends" at WS! :great: But the final result of my three or four experiments was no - it doesn't stick.

Ah yes - Good Times!! :woot:
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I found myself in need of a decent bra to go with a top one night. In desperation, I used duct tape to tape my tatas in place. I heard the stars did it.

well, no such luck. It got very warm and I got sweaty and the duct tape slid off. The girls flopped around and I looked wilted. Spent a lot of time with my arms across my chest.
 
Thinker Belle said:
TY for listening! Feels good to let it out! All of the absurdity drives me bonkers.. Plus, it's cheaper than therapy :)
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Since we know who the jury is I would like to print your post and mail it each of them!!!

Yeah, right? What the hell DID they talk about? They certainly didn't talk about whether or not JB's BS made any sense whatsoever.

What a bunch of complete lazy, losers.
 
I used duct tape to tape my *advertiser censored* into my ballgown several times and I would sweat and couldn't get that crap off. It was hard to get off and I had to use solvent to get the sticky off me. Maybe they made better duct tape in 1991?
 
ziggy said:
I used duct tape to tape my *advertiser censored* into my ballgown several times and I would sweat and couldn't get that crap off. It was hard to get off and I had to use solvent to get the sticky off me. Maybe they made better duct tape in 1991?
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Yes, but you were dry when you began...

And (respectfully) that has always been the point of contention...
 
logicalgirl said:
Always ready to take one for the WS team. We were in some very lively or even heated discussions about whether this was an accidental death and Caylee did indeed drown in the pool because remember this was all before this CARP about George came out.

The issue was - what did OCA do with Caylee while her skin and hair were drying because we know duct tape does not stick to wet or damp skin/hair. And what would be the point of chucking Caylee in the pool if her face - including nose and mouth were completely covered in duct tape - it didn't make sense since she would smother with or without the pool.

So in the midst of those discussions I had several sessions in my bathroom - just me and a roll of duct tape sitting on the edge of my bathtub - trying to get duct tape to stick to me or my hair after both a bath and a shower.

And hoping like crazy that one of my adult DD's didn't walk in the front door unexpectedly and find me sitting nude in the bathroom with duct tape on my head and around various parts of my body. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

They already thought I'd gone slightly over the edge with my "imaginary friends" at WS! :great: But the final result of my three or four experiments was no - it doesn't stick.

Ah yes - Good Times!! :woot:
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that is the crazy Canadian spirit my friend,,loved it
 
Aedrys said:
Remember, though that duct tape does not stick to wet skin. We have threads about this. Our own logicalgirl even experimented with this by trying to put duct tape on her arm after a shower, LOL. I think Casey killed Caylee by sedating her with chloroform, then put the duct tape on her face, then threw Caylee into the trunk of her car, not caring if she was alive or dead yet.

Also, there were no pool chemicals found in Casey's car. Remember when it came up (I can't remember who said it, sorry) that Caylee's little bathing suit could have sat in the back of the car and possibly lead to the making of the chloroform? Not true, says the forensics. The A's pool had bacquacil in it, which doesn't have any chlorine in it, and chlorine is needed to make chloroform (again, in many of threads we had where we talked about this). No other pool chemicals were found either. Only the chloroform, which was so strong it was still there (it's volatile and evaporates. No chloroform should have been left at all).

I don't think the pool was involved at all. The science proves that. One other thing Casey does is take innocent things and twists them to fit her evilness. Surely she saw George pick Caylee up out of the pool before, and only his top half was wet. I can see her taking that and twisting it to make it part of her story. If Caylee had died in that pool, the A's would not still have it up, and pool chemicals would have been found in the back of Casey's car.
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I'm with you on this. No way would the family have kept the pool and destroyed the car if Caylee drowned in the pool. I would think they'd have gotten rid of both. Now if she was drowned (by FCA) in the bathtub, it would be a bit more problematic to get rid of the tub. Which bathroom? The one near Caylee's room or the one off C&G's bedroom? That hall bathroom probably isn't used much, so no problem closing that door. Unless one of the pair has moved to the opposite side of the house and that's the closest bathroom - know what I mean? Lots of extra space in that house to spread out.

logicalgirl said:
Good times! I tried it on a lot more places than my arm, :floorlaugh: but remember - we were talking then also about duct tape sticking to wet hair. Schultz got the tape to stick to what I assume was relatively short hair, but no way could I get it to stick to damp hair which is almost shoulder level, even when I wrapped it around and around my head.:great:
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Logicalgirl, you deserve a Brave Websleuth Award. :clap:

I considered doing the same but since I have a problem with Bandaids and rashes, I figured duct tape would be a bigger problem. After all, I firmly believed from the beginning the duct was placed on the baby before death, because, as you stated, tape does not stick to wet skin, wet hair, or anything wet at time of application.

Now if we are to believe any part of the drowning theory, I'd have to go with the duct tape being placed on the baby first, then she was dunked into the water (tub or pool) and held down in a fit of rage. Duct tape possibly to shut her up in anger, and dunking because she was fighting for her life and the "babysitter" was out of control. But would that tape still stick after such a violent dunking? I dunno. I have trouble with the drowning scenario.

Yes, the chloroform would have eased the pain, possibly the terror, the child felt, but somehow, I have a feeling if may not have been used during that fit of rage if a drowning took place. Yes, the deed was premeditated. It takes time to grab and cut/tear that duct tape or pick up a child, dunk her into water and hold her down :furious:

Like you said, tape doesn't stick to wet skin. Think Bandaids. Taping her after drowning her? No, I don't think so. Taping her because the decomp was oozing? No. I don't Casey would have cared enough to touch the body after decomp began, and the tape wouldn't stick anyway. She smelled that trunk, grabbed the baby in the bags and tossed her into the swamp.

I'm sure after she wrapped her in the Pooh blanket, placed her inside the trash bags, and the laundry bag, there was no more looking at little Caylee's body. Once she was in those bags, she was just trash to Casey. :mad: Trash to be tossed.

:cow: :cow: :cow:
 
Thinker Belle said:
It's been a long week and I am finally able to actually read through these depos, ... and I kind of wished I wouldn't have..:sigh: ... The DT story (presented at trial) doesn't make any sense. Reading these depos only brought it all back how big of a liar FCA is.. I know, I know I'm simply stating the obvious.. preaching to the choir. But let's break it down.,,

So, it is early morning hours and Princess Casey is still catching up on her beauty sleep. Suddenly, GA comes barging in, "Where's Caylee?" (this is nonsensical fact 1-- CA testified that everything was fine and dandy when she went to work. If she truly believes there was a drowning, or wanted to make it appear as such, then she would have lied and said everyone was faaaast asleep and she had to tiptoe around the house since it was "early morning hours" and she didn't notice the back door was wide open. (Nonsensical fact 2-- nobody would immediately start yelling at their daughter when the granddaughter is nowhere to be seen. A normal response would be, "Is Caylee in there with you?".. Half-question, half-hoping.) Besides, I thought FCA locked her door anyway! How would GA know Caylee wasn't there?? GA goes out of the back door while FCA out of the front (nonsensical fact 3-- that was quite convenient seeing that the pool is the major hazard in the household.) GA finds the body while FCA makes a beeline to the backyard (nonsensical fact 4-- this is even MORE convenient for her! She doesn't actually do anything in the front yard that she was going to look for Caylee in.. she just walks out the front door and goes straight to the back yard... whatever.) In the time it took for FCA to walk halfway around the house, George has found the body, taken it out, and laid it on the ground, posing himself with Caylee in his arms (nonsensical fact 5-- WOW.. THAT was lightning QUICK!!!). Caylee is dead. (NF 6-- she's dead like in a movie. Her eyes are closed and she's not moving. She's just "dead." Everything is still moving so conveniently for her!) Casey begins to cry...and cry...and cry. (NF 7-- According to JB.. she does not grieve like normal people do... What's up with the crying?)George then says, "LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE DONE!.." (NF 8-- FCA didn't do anything, she was just sleeping, right?) Your mother will never forgive you! (NF 9 - Wait, Cindy has perpetually forgiven Casey for EVERYTHING she has done in her entire life. She has always turned a blind eye to her wrongdoings)".. and you will go to jail for child neglect for the rest of your freakin' life." (NF 10-- Parents have to sleep! What was supposed to be neglectful? And seriously, the rest of your life? For an accidental drowning? OK.. NF 11--Why would GA lie about this minor crime, and continue to lie about it, especially in light of the coming events in the next 3 years with his daughter charged with murder 1 and facing the death penalty? I thought the point of lying was to keep her out of jail in the first place! Makes no sense! FCA then asks her father for help (NF 12-- WHY? This is the man that has supposedly been a villain toward her forever! Yeah right.. ask the child-molesting rapist for help in covering up an ACCIDENT just so Mom doesn't get mad. In fact, let's lie to Mom.. let's lie and lie and lie and make her think the child is alive and in danger somewhere because THAT certainly wouldn't tick her off!) Riiight..]None of it makes sense.

Something else.. the DT made no connection from GA to the bogus kidnapping story. I wonder why? Hmmm... perhaps because it would make their "theory" even more implausible? What are we supposed to believe happened? After all, the whole coverup was "for Cindy" so the two of them HAD to have discussed what the story was going to be. Did GA just tell her, "Don't say anything until Mom asks. Then say whatever and I'll act clueless about it." And FCA just so happened to have a nonexistent nanny in her arsenal of lies? :floorlaugh:

Or did it go something like...
George: "Let's blame it on the babysitter when Mom asks about it."
Casey: "Dad, there was no babysitter."
George: "HOT DOG! What luck! Let's not blame her right away. Let's wait until Mom gets really angry."

And am I supposed to believe that while FCA was knocking boots with TL, George somehow found the address, located the car, put Caylee in it, let FCA drive around in it for a while, then waited until FCA was distracted again, steal the car again, and dump the body "somewhere"..
Then Kronk finds it where GA put it, Kronk steals the body for whatever reason even though he reported the finding. Put it back so he could report it again.... months go by, and a man walking through the woods who uses steriods came along and found the skull... took it to the Anthony's home and applied duct tape to it, then submerged it in water so it would look like the tape decomposed with the body, brought the skull back to the remains site, threaded weeds and roots through the skeleton so it would look like it was there the whole time, then he let his dog bury some of the bones, and then went, "doo dee doooo" merrily along his way....

I guess I'm supposed to believe that, since that's what the DT said.
They could never really decide who did what with the bones, because after we got the story about the steroid user in the woods with the A's duct tape, it switched back to being all about GA in the closing argument, then returned to Kronk, before finally switching back to GA by saying it was ONE person and ONE PERSON ONLY and now all of a sudden the duct tape wasn't used on the body at all... huh??:confused:

Whew...thanks for letting me vent.. this forum is like therapy! How did the jury not see through this? This was all stuff said at trial. Reading these depos only cemented that FCA is a chronic liar, but they didn't need the evals to show that she was lying about everything!..What did they even talk about during deliberations anyway? :banghead:
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:clap: :clap: :clap: Excellent post.

Well, well. Maybe the jurors should have taken a few minutes out of their busy schedule of movie, restaurant, adventure selection to contemplate what the DT was telling them, as you have done so eloquently. No way could those folks have used common sense to think any of it through and believe that stupid tale. No way, unless they were lacking in common sense and totally disinterested. ahem :innocent:
 
They haven't got rid of the pool. Speaks VOLUMES doesn't it? They don't believe she drown in that pool! No way! Unless they are sicker than we already thought they were. I mean - how could they ever get near that pool or even look at it in their backyard if they thought that was where Caylee took her last breath? Nonsense! They didn't think twice about having the car crushed, but they still have the pool? OKAY?

Someone here said they are re-doing their bathroom. I don't know if that is true, but it makes me wonder if perhaps they think Caylee drown in the bathtub?
 
Remodeling their bathroom? Oh my.

I've never been one for the drowning in the pool theory, but the bathtub works better for me. Although, I'm still iffy on the whole drowning scenario because of the duct tape. I'd like to know which bathroom is being remodeled? I would think Caylee would have been dunked into the hall bathroom simply because the computer room was off that hallway and we know Casey spent a lot of time there. Why drag the child to the pool or the master bathroom when that hall bath was so, so close? Did they have duct tape close at hand all over the house, or did Casey have to go looking for it? Did she have it ready because it was premeditated or because duct taping the baby was a common event?

So many questions. Did the As pick up stray duct tape and replace it to its normal spot sometime during the first 31 days? We know Cindy wanted everything in its proper place.
 
I dont know if this has been posted already but I thought it was an extremely interesting read.

Jeff Ashton recommended the article over on his FB page.


Joran, Casey and Psychopathic Narcissism: A Forensic Commentary

What do Casey Anthony and Joran van der Sloot have in common?

Published on January 13, 2012 by Dr. Stephen A. Diamond, Ph.D. in Evil Deeds

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...d-psychopathic-narcissism-forensic-commentary
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I dont know if this has been posted already but I thought it was an extremely interesting read.

Jeff Ashton recommended the article over on his FB page.


Joran, Casey and Psychopathic Narcissism: A Forensic Commentary

What do Casey Anthony and Joran van der Sloot have in common?

Published on January 13, 2012 by Dr. Stephen A. Diamond, Ph.D. in Evil Deeds

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...d-psychopathic-narcissism-forensic-commentary
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I read that last night..don't remember where I saw it but it is interesting.
 
Gypsy Road said:
They haven't got rid of the pool. Speaks VOLUMES doesn't it? They don't believe she drown in that pool! No way! Unless they are sicker than we already thought they were. I mean - how could they ever get near that pool or even look at it in their backyard if they thought that was where Caylee took her last breath? Nonsense! They didn't think twice about having the car crushed, but they still have the pool? OKAY?

Someone here said they are re-doing their bathroom. I don't know if that is true, but it makes me wonder if perhaps they think Caylee drown in the bathtub?
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She died on the property, using logic that the pool should be taken down, shouldnt they have left the house? I am pretty sure their financial situation does not allow them to move at their leisure, and they loved their grandaughter, maybe the house has good memories for them. They never had to call the cops and report Caylee missing, lets keep that in mind, there was no father to report her missing so they could have covered up Caseys little secret, if they loved her so much. didn't happen here.

jmo
 
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