Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #71

[ketel0ne]

How is that possible- she could not drive the car on her own with just a permit vs. license, that's a driving without a lic charge as well??

I am looking for everything she can be charged with. I would like see about 20 or 30 counts. I never saw anything definitive one way or the other. From a pattern perspective though it may be a lot like being a 1/2 credit short from graduating.

 

[olive]

What evidence do we have of these supposed flurry of phone calls from Casey to her parents on the 16th? Just Fuhrman's assertion? If there is actual information, we should start a thread for it.

 

[panthera]

What about the pants??? Cindy found pants that smelled like the car (a dead body) WHY would she wash them? Makes NO sense to me...C'mon, she's married to a cop, she should have known better! Something's very weird with that whole scenario. Mmmmmmmmmaybe she was trying to "help" her daughter at the time? This part of it stinks bad!

She also found and removed boots & shoes. Maybe it was just stupid, disbelief that her daughter could've done something so horrible, or trying to protect Casey. Whatever, it may have destroyed some important evidence. I missed if LE has the items now or are they still in Cindy's house?

 

[ketel0ne]

Are we clear that the interior of the car smelled like death or maybe it was just the trunk? Maybe the pants just smelled like smoke and not dead pizza? Trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

As per the search warrant, those pants smelled like the car.

Not like the 3 duffle bags of clothes that smelled like smoke.

 

[fixingtoburst]

Most cars these days have those little safety things where if you're accidentally locked in the trunk you can escape through the back seat. So therefore it would be probable that the whole car could smell.

Oh and what peculiar language to use anyway. I think her saying the car "smelled like a dead body" was probably the give away.

 

[cricket]

This is very true. When I lost my Mom to suicide 6 years ago I honestly expected everyone to blame ME. I was shocked when people expressed sympathy. I read a lot of grief books that said this was a normal reaction, but an inaccurate one and that we shouldn't blame ourselves. Yet my guilt was so strong that when I started seeing a therapist my first words to him were "I know most of your patients feel guilty and you tell them that they aren't supposed to feel that way, but I'm the exception to the rule. I am guilty." It took a couple years to accept that there was nothing I could have done to change things, but guilt still creeps in from time to time. Maybe - just maybe - the Anthony's feel some similar type of guilt for letting Casey do as she pleased all these years. Our situations are completely different, so I can't say that with certainty of course, but it does make a little bit of sense to me.

I'm sorry for your loss. And I'm glad that you worked through it so you don't blame yourself. A child is not responsible for a parent's actions.

I think it's different when you are a parent and your child does something horrible. My youngest son got involved with drugs and stole things. Lots of things. And I can tell you that even though I know it's not my fault - I can't help but think I somehow failed as a parent, because I failed to instill the right values. Intellectually, I know it was the drugs in addition to anything I might have done/not done right as a parent, and certainly he made his own choices. I know that it will take awhile to work through it.

I can't begin to imagine what Casey's parents are going through. You'd feel horrible if it was as simple as Caylee died and it was an accident. You'd grieve, but you'd move on. But this long drawn out media circus and pile of lies is so way over the top, I don't know how they will ever recover from it.

 

[TravelingBug]

That's why I suggested the clubs.

Or someone (perhaps one of her LE tied guys) knew of the stolen identity of ZG right around that time, and figured it'd be easy to make it look like the person who stole the identity then went on to kidnap Caylee.

I think once Caylee was 'taken care of' after the accident or whatever, then Casey worked with SOMEONE to concoct her story.

I believe the plan was to make it seem lke it happened later...post the 24th (thus the phone call to JG where she had him hear Caylee...which slightly makes me think the "someone" is NOT JG and he was another person she used) and have it look like something happened to Casey and Caylee both (thus explaining the car and purse abandoned). I think they expected the car to be found sooner, people to panic, and Casey to turn up/be found having "escaped" but Caylee having been taken...pinning it on the person who had robbed ZG.

When that scenario didn't work, they had to adapt it a bit and not have Casey appear having escaped from this person...unless that's where Cindy says we'll see Casey as a hero, if Casey's story would go on to say that she fought this person, etc. and fought for her daughter, but they got away with Caylee and Casey escaped.

From the little her friends have said, they thought Caylee was with "the nanny"...none of them said the name. I think the name came later on. Pin it on the person who stole the identity, and now you've got an anonymous bad guy using someone else's identity. That'd stall LE first looking at all the ZG's before someone might then connect the dots and then have to find the thief.

And that could explain her distrust of local LE. What local LE person would believe one of their own gave the identity of the person who had the identity stolen over a girl who's claiming someone did?

 

[panthera]

What evidence do we have of these supposed flurry of phone calls from Casey to her parents on the 16th? Just Fuhrman's assertion? If there is actual information, we should start a thread for it.

From the link just given a few posts back ~ not just Mark Fuhrman's speculation!

The theory is based on the following facts.

Fact #1: Casey Anthony's phone records show a flurry of unanswered phone calls to her parents on June 16.

Some believe that could be because that's when something happened to Caylee. A possibility being considered is Caylee could've gotten into the backyard pool on her own and was discovered too late.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17136493/detail.html

 

[ketel0ne]

She wouldnt. But she would be smart enough to burn any evidence that might tie her to her death; sheets, clothes, pillow case

She wasn't smart enough to get rid of the shoes, boots or pants out of the car. I count they were in there for 11 days and then sat at the amscot for another 3 and then a tow yard for 15 more.

 

[LI_Mom]

Are we clear that the interior of the car smelled like death or maybe it was just the trunk? Maybe the pants just smelled like smoke and not dead pizza? Trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

The only time they mentioned smelling smoke was when they explained why they threw out toys that were donated for Caylee.

 

[beetrue]

We still have no idea what really could have happened in the last 24 hours in that house. We have no idea why the calls from Casey from 3-4pm went unanswered. I think that 24-36 hours could provide enough guilt for a lifetime.

I fear that Casey left Caylee in her car the night she was clubbing in her blue dress. I worry that Caylee fell asleep and Casey thought she would just cover her, leave her there to sleep and went into the club... she then possibly went home with someone else -loaded/sick, and woke later to remember she left her daughter in the car... went back and found her passed on... panicked... did something as horrible as involuntary manslaughter -which is -cover it up... and has been spinning since.

I don't want this to be the case. It's just something that pops in my mind and makes me cringe. I love my children and have nightmares about forgetting them at home, where I am rushing to go back and save them... to wake feeling so ill and broken. You would think that someone to make such a horrible mistake/selfish decision would not want to live without their baby... hence report it and face up to it. but, not everyone reacts the way most would consider normal/right. I hope this is not even a possibility. As much as I hope she did not deliberately kill or sell her child. I hope Caylee is alive and well.

 

[swa]

Cindy made an interesting comment on Greta a few nights ago. She said something to the effect of, "If it was an accident -- she would have called 911."

Well -- to a point. If she had drugged her child or left her unattended . . . while she was on the computer -- she would have known IMMEDIATELY that it was going to get pinned on her.

That's what happened in my opinion. She died on her watch -- and it was a direct result of poor parenting. Casey couldn't deal with the ramifications of that (eventhough we are to believe that she was the perfect mother -- eventhough it sounds like Cindy was actually the mother)

 

[ketel0ne]

What evidence do we have of these supposed flurry of phone calls from Casey to her parents on the 16th? Just Fuhrman's assertion? If there is actual information, we should start a thread for it.

There is a Fuhrman thread.

 

[chrisg]

I rarely stand up for Cindy, but I think I would hold LE equally responsbility for this one, unless Casey's really derailed the beginning of the investigation that badly. If so the focus may have been too tight.

I don't see how LE is responsible for washing the pants. Not taking them immediately--yes--but I'm not sure how they're equally responsible for them being washed. And this is where the flip-flopping comes in. One of the reasons Cindy called the police was b/c the car smelled like a dead body. She then admittedly washed pants that she said had the same smell? It seems, IMO, that they (the gps) are torn between wanting to find their grandaughter and wanting to protect their daughter. And since all evidence points toward their daughter being responsible, this is indeed a problem/conflict of interest.

 

[beetrue]

Yes they would know the difference. There were also two different dogs that each "hit".

Two? I heard it was the same dog that hit the trunk, hit the yard. And that the other dog had no hits. Media focused that the 2nd dog had only been active for three years.

 

[swa]

Are we clear that the interior of the car smelled like death or maybe it was just the trunk? Maybe the pants just smelled like smoke and not dead pizza? Trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

The smell of a dead body would have penetrated every inch of that car. In fact -- that car is and will be undriveable unless they totally gut it.

 

[ketel0ne]

The only time they mentioned smelling smoke was when they explained why they threw out toys that were donated for Caylee.

Actual smoke smell was brought up today about 3 duffle bags of clothes that Cindy retrieved from tony's apt. She washed those as well.

 

[Chilly Willy]

The only time they mentioned smelling smoke was when they explained why they threw out toys that were donated for Caylee.

No, Cindy also said the 3 duffle bags full of Casey's clothing that she picked up at TonE's apartment also smelled of smoke.

I don't see anything suspicious about Cindy washing the pants that she found in the car. They smelled bad. She had no reason at all to believe that a crime may have been committed or that Casey had committed it. Yes, she said the car smelled like a dead body but I don't think it was until Casey admitted that Caylee was missing that Cindy realized it really could have been a dead body that stunk up the car.

 

[fixingtoburst]

I would be pretty certain that a police officer would know the smell of a decomposing body over the smell of rotting garbage. Maybe a rookie wouldn't but I doubt even that.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

~snip from beyond belief's post in #70
La Bella Vida, like in the movie?????????
Did anyone see that movie? Why was the child separated from the mother?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_vita_e_bella

that could add a whole new twist to things.