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Child endangerment, child abuse, neglect, involuntary manslaughter....all after an investigation. The invest. would determine the charges, and if Casey acted as she has during this invest., they'd probably charge her with the biggest one they could.

Thanks Jinnimae:)

I do disagree however. An accident is EXACTLY that. Immediate response tells me she would have been without charges.

However, because I do believe this.. it makes it VERY hard for me to believe SOMETHING wasn't amiss... otherwise...

WHY WOULD'NT SHE HAVE JUST CALLED fOR HELP !!! :bang:

I'm leaving to go out for a cocktail! Once you second guess yourself on this board for the 5th time.. it is TIME TO STEP AWAY!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

Love my fellow WS'ers! Always making me change my mind! LOL:) ( Don't tell my DH.. he thinks it can't be changed! )
 
Someone needs to tell Casey she's waaaaay past having to worry about her mother, father or anyone else never forgiving her if something happened to Caylee. She could be looking at being charged with a capital crime. She's either got to tell authorities what they need/want to know to find Caylee or continue to assert her innocence and take her chances at trial.
 
Wouldn't the DEFENSE have to worry about that too?

Hopefully the defense will have enough evidence to worry them for YEARS to some.......with all the appeals on a death penalty.

Casey's quote......"everyone lies, everyone dies" - hopefully she prophesied her own fate with that NEEDLE.
 
Thanks Jinnimae:)

I do disagree however. An accident is EXACTLY that. Immediate response tells me she would have been without charges.

However, because I do believe this.. it makes it VERY hard for me to believe SOMETHING wasn't amiss... otherwise...

WHY WOULD'NT SHE HAVE JUST CALLED fOR HELP !!! :bang:

I'm leaving to go out for a cocktail! Once you second guess yourself on this board for the 5th time.. it is TIME TO STEP AWAY!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

Love my fellow WS'ers! Always making me change my mind! LOL:) ( Don't tell my DH.. he thinks it can't be changed! )

If Casey were high or otherwise impaired at the time it would have been negligent homicide, wouldn't it. She was covering her butt, IMO
 
http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html

WFTY Orlando is reporting that FBI DNA preliminary testing from Casey's car trunk came back positive for decomposition and that the results are linked to Caylee Anthony.

The walls are closing in on Casey Anthony.

It appears that LE now has scientific proof to establish every element of their case other than the cause of death.
 
Hi All-
I just registered today but have been lurking from the start of this sad case. I love this message that you wrote and I have to agree, you have all been Caylee's champions.
As a new mother of an adopted daughter, I cannot comprehend the antics of this family.
I go home everynight and as I hug my wee one, I whisper a prayer for Caylee.

If only Caylee was given up to an adoptive loving parent like you, she would still be with us. Thank God for human beings like yourself.
 
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preliminary fbi results link decomposition to caylee anthony

http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html

preliminary results were back from fbi tests on physical evidence found in the trunk of casey anthony's car. The samples, which included hair that investigators said was scientifically linked to caylee, a stain and dirt, came back positive for signs of decomposition. Investigators said more test results were expected.

this is the biggest thing ever that you have been waiting for please read.
 
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PRELIMINARY FBI RESULTS LINK DECOMPOSITION TO CAYLEE ANTHONY

http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html

Preliminary results were back from FBI tests on physical evidence found in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car. The samples, which included hair that investigators said was scientifically linked to Caylee, a stain and dirt, came back positive for signs of decomposition. Investigators said more test results were expected.

We are going to start seeing an avalanche of forensics results coming back...the jig is up. Ms. Anthony needs to quit worrying about a defense and should start considering the "limited immunity" or a plea agreement.
 
If Casey were high or otherwise impaired at the time it would have been negligent homicide, wouldn't it. She was covering her butt, IMO

Thanks Chesapeake..

U Changed my mind again! :furious:

Make that 2 cocktails! LOL :)
 
I'm still hoping it was an accident and she did something stupid but I'm doubting that too.

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ACCIDENT?? If I hear that one more time, I think I will BARF right here on my keyboard............

ACCIDENT? Yes, in my opinion........an accident to her she got caught.

IMO......There was NO accident and I don't know what such denial would keep people giving her such an EXCUSE for the defense........

What is so hard to believe EVIL such as this deliberately killed this child?

Susan Smith did.........many more have..........and this one gave more clues from the beginning than any of them...........
 
Here is a quote from Leonard Padilla:

------------“Isn't it weird that all of a sudden she says gave the baby to Zanida at the apartments,” he said. “Then subsequently slams Zanida and her sister. Sam took her from me at J. Blanchard Park and said Zanida gave her a 30 days script of what she was supposed to follow with law enforcement or anybody else.

Wednesday Padilla went to a hotel as he was doing his own follow-up with Zanida but was asked to leave.

As long as Padilla is in Central Florida he said he's not giving up.

“Not being law enforcement,” he said. ”Sometimes folks tell us stuff.”

Padilla is still hoping to find Caylee but now he's not so confident in his promise that he'd have answers by Friday.---------

Whats the rest of this story??? Who is Sam? It says sister of Zanida (His spelling). When and where did Leonard get this story if Casey has never talked? What hotel did he go to? It seems half the info has been left out of the story. This was posted at www.myfoxorlando.com Funny there is nothing further on this story than that. Of course I don't believe any of it coming from Casey but I wonder where this info comes from? I wish someone would ask Leonard about it!!
 
If Casey were high or otherwise impaired at the time it would have been negligent homicide, wouldn't it. She was covering her butt, IMO

If Caylee drowned in the pool because no one was watching her, and the ladder was where she could access it, and was known to have used it before...negligence, at the very least. I would guess that Casey's state of being at the time of the accident would be used to bump up the charges.
 
Themis.. you seem very litigious..

Here is how I see it :

Casey probably had an incident with Caylee that was an accident in nature. ( i.e. accidental drowning, fall down stairs etc )

Had she called POLICE or EMERGENCY SERVICES immediately, is there anything she would have been charged with? IYO?

If I understand you question the issue is as follows:

Issue: Whether a death resulting from an accident can be the basis for criminal charges?

Answer: Yes.

Analysis: (THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES FOR DISCUSSION) Criminal laws regarding homicide, felony child neglect or assault and battery have an element of intent or gross negligence in violation of an existing legal duty. For example, if Casey pushed Caylee down the stairs at Sawgrass, there would be intent to push her down the stairs; the fact that Caylee died of a broken neck versus banged her head and got a bruised noggin, is not determinative. The intent was that Casey pushed her intentionally. The amount of the injury simply flows from the original intentional act; the push. Another example is Casey took a nap and Caylee got into the family pool and drowned. Casey had a pre-existing legal duty to keep her 2 year old away from an ungated pool and unattended. Society's standards are established that a reasonable parent does not leave a 2 year old unsupervised near an ungated pool because of the terribly high risk and terribly high probable injury -- death. Casey may not have intended to fall asleep, but she did and woke up to a drowned Caylee. Casey calls emergency services, but it is too late. This would violate a pre-existing legal duty and could result in involuntary manslaughter. The intent wasn't there to hurt Caylee, but she was so extremely reckless. Calling emergency services may help mitigate the matter, but it wouldn't be a legal excuse or a legal defense. We look at facts favorable to the defense as being a "defense" (legal excuse so it negates the crime -- like not guilty or an exception or exclusion), an extenuating fact (worked for days in some good cause and accidentally fell asleep) -- may lessen a sentence of punishment, or mitigation (called emergency services) -- may lessen punishment.
 
My concern is that if the Prosecution and Casey agree to this immunity deal (by the way, ONLY a Prosecutor with authority to grant immunity can offer this immunity deal -- not LE), then if Casey leads them to the body it is going to splash all over national news. HOW would they find a jury pool that doesn't know about them finding the body?!?!? Any potential juror living in the Orlando or Florida area who didn't know about finding the body would have to be living under a rock and I'm not so sure they would make a good juror!

Looks like the prosecution could be backed into a corner and HAVE to make a plea deal favorable to Casey after that.

IIRC, it was the State Attorney's office that made the offer of limited immunity. Perhaps they're offering the limitation solely on the death penalty being removed from the table. Then, if she agrees and comes clean which, in my gut I don't feel she's capable of, but anyway, then they can work on some type of deal. I sure wouldn't want to be the attorney negotiating this one. Personally, I think she should burn in he!!. IMO.:furious::mad:
 
Just back from the NG thread...at the end of the show, LP said that he had just heard from some of his "people" and they were going to have to put major security on Casey because they've received lots of threats since this latest info was released...
 
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Bold is mine. ?How could they forfeit the possibility of charging her with Murder 1 based on cause and manner of death pursuant to an autopsy????
Am I interpreting this properly?

I think it's extremely difficult to determine precisely what kind of immunity LE is offering to Casey. The possibilities are vast. With today's breaking news concerning the results of air sample testing and FBI DNA testing, LE can establish to a scientific certainty that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of Casey's car, without any cooperation from the defendant.

All LE needs is a cause of death. That is why they want Caylee's body. To see if they can determine the cause of death, not so much to prove that Caylee is dead. From experience, I would not hang my hat on the media's choice of words in describing any potential negotiations with the defense. The media might be using the term "immunity" very loosely, and not so precisely. LE might be offering the defense a reduced sentence for information about the location of Caylees' body.

I think it's reasonable to theorize that LE only needs to firm up a cause of death theory. If a jury at trial is ever persuaded that Caylee died accidentally, Casey will be free while still a relatively young adult.
 
For today, I reserve the right to not give a Chit about Casey's immunity and to rant about decency. And I might change my mind tomorrow, but I doubt it.

For today, I believe that Casey accepting immunity is the right thing to do.

I haven't been able to read other threads and posts, so note that this is entirely MY HUMBLE OPINION (and heartfelt reaction.)

Caylee deserves to have a proper rite of passage into Loving Arms - regardless of which ever Deity you might believe that to be. Who cares? Really - Who cares?

It is about just having the opportunity to lay a Child to rest.

Most people deserve that, and Kids do most especially - they're just so innocent and without the jaded, prejudicial and learned attitudes that we Adults sometimes develop.

All I can think about this evening is a memory that is both touching - and gut-wrenching.

Before continuing, I'd like to state that I hope the majority of the posters here just can't relate to this and just haven't experienced the sadness that is a Child's funeral. But I know some here can and will understand what I am ranting about. Stop reading now if you don't wish to dredge up painful memories.

The ONLY thing worse than attending a Child's funeral, is NOT BEING ABLE to have a proper burial, regardless of your faith, creed, culture or religion.

If you have ever had the experience of attending the funeral of a Child, then you know that it is both excruciatingly painful and touchingly appropriate. (If you've never experienced this - then you won't really get it. And if you have, then please accept my deepest sympathy.)

On one hand, you just simply implode emotionally with the realization of just how small that casket is when you see it. 'This is not a person who had the chance to fulfill their life-long dreams and potential. THIS IS A LITTLE CHILD.'

At a Child's funeral, there may not be multiple Pall Bearers carrying a long-lived Soul forward...

Instead, you may witness the life-changing vision of caring, shattered, heart-broken, struggling, yet still somehow strong Parent or Parents; singularly carrying this infinitesimal, final, and gut-wrenching reality of a blue or pink covered satin casket - all alone or as a Parenting Team. The reality is that this final, decent and honourable token of cultural norms - it's still small enough for a SOLE caring Loved-One to respectfully deliver unto their next resting place.

As horrific as it is to witness a rite like that, it is also one that every innocent Child and loving family deserves. In its innate horror, so too, lies its innate beauty.

It hurts; it burns; and it just never leaves your Brain, but it is RIGHT.

So - without apology, I personally hope that Casey DOES take the immunity offered.

Caylee deserves to be loved, remembered and delivered forwards (where ever you believe and wish that to be,) with decency, respect - and with love.

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Ch*t on Casey or what happens to her. For today, I hope she does take the immunity - and that each and every person who was touched by Caylee can have the chance to say a decent, loving, soulful, 'Good-bye, Little Smiley One,' whilst knowing they can visit, honour and love all over here in her resting place later.

Immunity may not be 'Just' in the Eyes of the Law, but in the eyes of doing one final act of decent caring for Caylee - for today, I believe that having the ability to properly lay her to rest - in ANY fashion - is more of a priority than anything else.

Flame on - who cares?

I personally believe that none of Casey's actions to date, or going forward really matter a great deal.

But, there are a lot of people out there who would probably like to see Caylee laid at rest with some dignity and love.

So for today, I do hope that immunity is on the table - and is taken up upon.

Caylee deserves this, as do all.
 
From puffy's link:

"Preliminary results were back from FBI tests on physical evidence found in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car. The samples, which included hair that investigators said was scientifically linked to Caylee, a stain and dirt, came back positive for signs of decomposition. Investigators said more test results were expected."

So, do we have a "body"? This is enough to prove that sweetie is gone. It is not enough, however, to determine manner of death. Which, at this point, would make it very hard to PROVE the elements of first degree murder are met. Right?
 
If I understand you question the issue is as follows:

Issue: Whether a death resulting from an accident can be the basis for criminal charges?

Answer: Yes.

Analysis: (THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES FOR DISCUSSION) Criminal laws regarding homicide, felony child neglect or assault and battery have an element of intent or gross negligence in violation of an existing legal duty. For example, if Casey pushed Caylee down the stairs at Sawgrass, there would be intent to push her down the stairs; the fact that Caylee died of a broken neck versus banged her head and got a bruised noggin, is not determinative. The intent was that Casey pushed her intentionally. The amount of the injury simply flows from the original intentional act; the push. Another example is Casey took a nap and Caylee got into the family pool and drowned. Casey had a pre-existing legal duty to keep her 2 year old away from an ungated pool and unattended. Society's standards are established that a reasonable parent does not leave a 2 year old unsupervised near an ungated pool because of the terribly high risk and terribly high probable injury -- death. Casey may not have intended to fall asleep, but she did and woke up to a drowned Caylee. Casey calls emergency services, but it is too late. This would violate a pre-existing legal duty and could result in involuntary manslaughter. The intent wasn't there to hurt Caylee, but she was so extremely reckless. Calling emergency services may help mitigate the matter, but it wouldn't be a legal excuse or a legal defense. We look at facts favorable to the defense as being a "defense" (legal excuse so it negates the crime -- like not guilty or an exception or exclusion), an extenuating fact (worked for days in some good cause and accidentally fell asleep) -- may lessen a sentence of punishment, or mitigation (called emergency services) -- may lessen punishment.

We'll all be ready for the BAR exam soon LOL! This is all so incredibly interesting to me. I need to change careers.
 
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