Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #164

[Leila]

I believe the gas can story is a coverup too, as the incident report AND the discovery in Casey's TRUNK were on the same exact day!

And if it happened as George described it..........Casey coming over and George saying he needed the chocks from the trunk of the Pontiac so he could rotate the tires on Cindy's car, Casey's reluctance to let him open the trunk, and him finally opening the trunk and finding the gas cans......................why didn't George called the police and tell them he had found the gas cans and that his daughter had taken them?

George is a former police officer and he knows the proper procedure. If events of June 24th happened as he described, he should have made that call.

 

[Cagney]

Might be because they are investigating the check theft and don't want to reveal details of their investigation.

Oh yes, ITA I just like making mental notes on who I find that are missing from the puzzle in statements to the police.
I am 100% for LE not releasing info if it could hurt the case. Above all, despite how frustrating it is to not have the info I want them to be able to make their case.

 

[jennyb]

I feel really, really sorry for the GGPs. Imagine, coming to the end of your life and having this kind of heartbreak. They must be completely devastated.

 

[jennyb]

Goodnight, folks. Tomorrow should be interesting.

 

[yuknomenot]

Hubby and I were discussing George's account of the last time he claimed to have seen them together. He described in great detail what each of them were wearing etc.
The thing is, I don't remember what my kids are wearing as they walk out the door for school in the am. I can tell you what their shoes look like, and I can tell you what their backpacks look like but I doubt unless I tried real hard that I could tell you what they were wearing. Now, I assume that this is because I have 5 of them to keep track of but who knows.
Anyway my point is, men pay less attention then we do. No way could my husband remember what I even wore yesterday. And especially if its another insignificant day.
2 weeks ago we had a funeral to go to. I asked him if he remembered what he wore. He described everything correct but his shirt. I asked him if he remembered what I wore that day, he got nothing correct lol. I asked him what the kids wore- He only got our oldest daughter's dress correct, I think because he picked it.
Now, I just stated that on normal days I can't remember what my kids wear to school but on the day of the funeral I can tell you what each member of my house wore that day.


I think George elaborated too much on what he last saw them in as he was giving his statement 30 days later. /jmo

Once again, way behind here. Complete agreement with you. When my child was that age, I couldn't have told you a clothing description from the day before, much less from weeks prior. Heck, today I couldn't say what I had on yesterday. Sometimes, knowing too many details only highlights 'wishful thinking'. Just IMO.

 

[Leila]

It really is insulting, isn't it? I'm taking it personally.

I think everyone feels insulted by the remarks made by this family. It's as if they really believe the public is so dumb they will buy everything they say, like rotten pizza smells like human decomposition.

 

[RobinSTAR]

The GGPs may know Cindy's behavior and possibly could be telling LE that she's a sociopath too. Not to offend anyone's opinion of her and I'm not saying she has any involvement but just her reaction and denial and coddling is just not "normal" for a grieving parent based on other parents of missing children (and I say parent because she's the one who raised Caylee).

 

[Leila]

LE could pick and choose what to release in that 400 page dump? Or maybe they hadn't completed their interviews yet. Perhaps the GGPs only started to talk after they discovered what the docs revealed, realized Caylee was probably deceased and decided to take a stand.

Is the theft of the great-grandmother's checks part of this case, or is it a separate case? If the check theft is a separate case, details of the theft may not be part of the 400 page documents.

 

[Cagney]

I think everyone feels insulted by the remarks made by this family. It's as if they really believe the public is so dumb they will buy everything they say, like rotten pizza smells like human decomposition.

Don't you know thats because the experiment wasn't done correctly. G said that the laundry degergent part was left out- that makes rotting pizza smell worse apparently.

 

[El Gato]

Is the theft of the great-grandmother's checks part of this case, or is it a separate case? If the check theft is a separate case, details of the theft may not be part of the 400 page documents.

Yes it is a part of this investigation, until they upgrade the charges which I believe is coming, TOMORROW!

 

[Terilee]

still wondering ....
If you go to www.privateeye.com and search for names Casey gave....(just for fun type your own name and I guarentee you will find yourself in thier database) It is a good site


Name, Age,Aliases Past & Current
Locations Possible Relatives &
Records
1. GONZALEZ, ZENAIDA
Age: 51
Orlando, FL
Brooklyn, NY
Queens, NY
South Ozone Park, NY GONZALEZ, NELSON A
GONZALEZ, CHRISTY L
GONZALEZ, NELSON A
GONZALEZ, JESSICA
GONZALEZ, JASON L
GONZALEZ, HILDA R
GONZALEZ, NELSON A
GONZALEZ, ASHLEY
GONZALEZ, LOUIS A
2. GONZALEZ, ZENAIDA M
Age: 55
Miami, FL
Sunny Isles Beach, FL
Flushing, NY GONZALEZ, ANGEL BARBARO
GONZALEZ, GLORIA I
GONZALEZ, CONCEPCION GUERRERO
GONZALEZ, JOSE F
GONZALEZ, NEIL M
GONZALEZ, NEIL M
GONZALEZ, MIGUEL ANTONIO
GONZALEZ, CONCEPTION
GONZALEZ, JAMILET

 

[Cagney]

Ok so C and G were on a "at home" vacay right?
Why then did it take them so long to pick up the certified letter that the tow company sent?

 

[Terilee]

Also www.privateeye.com shows a Jose Gonzales that lived at the 301 N Hillside Dr address. (If you want to confirm this -visit the site and do a reverse address search) I am too lazy to cut and paste it all right now, sorry

 

[GameTheory]

Once again, way behind here. Complete agreement with you. When my child was that age, I couldn't have told you a clothing description from the day before, much less from weeks prior. Heck, today I couldn't say what I had on yesterday. Sometimes, knowing too many details only highlights 'wishful thinking'. Just IMO.

I DO BELIEVE GEORGE COULD GIVE AN ACCURATE or CLOSE TO ACCURATE ACCOUNT OF WHAT DAUGHTER AND GRANDDAUGHTER WERE WEARING.

Human brain does take notice of a lot of information but when there is no need to retrieve that information it stays well hidden in the brain. But it is there. It is not important for you or me to remember what our loved ones wore last week or a month ago. But if you HAD to remember, if our loved ones' lifes depended on it, then we could remember things like their clothes and what they ate and details we couldn't even believe were registered in our brains. Human brain registers a lot of information but only uses what it is useful otherwise the brain couldn't function. Human memory is a wonderful wise mechanism that stores information and retrieves it when there is reason to do so.

I think it is an unfair comparison to relate whether we remember what we wore last week with George remembering what his grandchild who is missing wore last month. He has a REASON to remember, Caylee's life depends on it. And there are special interviewing techniques that can help you focus on that day and retrieve that information. Add that with the fact that George received training as a detective.

Having said all that.......I don't know if George's account is accurate or something made up. My argument is not to say George is telling the truth. Because frankly my personal opinion is that the whole family are strangers to the truth. I just think the comparisons of what our memory can retrieve cannot be compared with what the memory of a person who NEEDS to remember something can retrieve. If we saw our dear sister two months ago and we learn she was murdered and the police asks us what she was wearing that day I think most of us will be able to recall pretty accurately and with details not only what she was wearing but other details as well. So my opinion whether George is saying the truth or not is based mostly on their other actions and behaviors not on the mechanism of memory.

I do believe George could recall accurately what the girls were wearing I just don't know if he would tell the truth or not.

 

[yuknomenot]

And if it happened as George described it..........Casey coming over and George saying he needed the chocks from the trunk of the Pontiac so he could rotate the tires on Cindy's car, Casey's reluctance to let him open the trunk, and him finally opening the trunk and finding the gas cans......................why didn't George called the police and tell them he had found the gas cans and that his daughter had taken them?

George is a former police officer and he knows the proper procedure. If events of June 24th happened as he described, he should have made that call.

JMO, there are many things George shoulda/woulda/coulda done that he didn't. The fact the he didn't is why we are trying to figure out what happened to that precious child. Again, JMO, I am thankful he's no longer an LE officer. Imagine, if he was, the general distrust he would invoke. Still JMO, the overt lies, manipulations and lack of regard for human life by the entire family is what is bogging down the investigation. The fact that the human life is one of their own doesn't seem to phase them in the least. At this point, the only thing that should matter is finding Caylee. /rant off

 

[Cagney]

I DO BELIEVE GEORGE COULD GIVE AN ACCURATE or CLOSE TO ACCURATE ACCOUNT OF WHAT DAUGHTER AND GRANDDAUGHTER WERE WEARING.

Human brain does take notice of a lot of information but when there is no need to retrieve that information it stays well hidden in the brain. But it is there. It is not important for you or me to remember what our loved ones wore last week or a month ago. But if you HAD to remember, if our loved ones' lifes depended on it, then we could remember things like their clothes and what they ate and details we couldn't even believe were registered in our brains. Human brain registers a lot of information but only uses what it is useful otherwise the brain couldn't function. Human memory is a wonderful wise mechanism that stores information and retrieves it when there is reason to do so.

I think it is an unfair comparison to relate whether we remember what we wore last week with George remembering what his grandchild who is missing wore last month. He has a REASON to remember, Caylee's life depends on it. And there are special interviewing techniques that can help you focus on that day and retrieve that information. Add that with the fact that George received training as a detective.

Having said all that.......I don't know if George's account is accurate or something made up. My argument is not to say George is telling the truth. Because frankly my personal opinion is that the whole family are strangers to the truth. I just think the comparisons of what our memory can retrieve cannot be compared with what the memory of a person who NEEDS to remember something can retrieve. If we saw our dear sister two months ago and we learn she was murdered and the police asks us what she was wearing that day I think most of us will be able to recall pretty accurately and with details not only what she was wearing but other details as well. So my opinion whether George is saying the truth or not is based mostly on their other actions and behaviors not on the mechanism of memory.

I do believe George could recall accurately what the girls were wearing I just don't know if he would tell the truth or not.

I am not sure that I agree that George would remember accurately.

Not the same situation, but in my mind my life depended on it.
When I was in JR high, I was attacked on my way to school by a guy in a car.
I fought and was able to get away, and for as long as I live his face will be forever in grained in my brain but for the life of me I can not nor could not then tell police what he was wearing, or what kind of car he was driving. I remember some details about the car like what the interior looked like, what the rear view mirror looked like, what color the car was but could not tell you make and model. Nor could I tell you what the man was wearing.
It wasn't that I didn't know because I was really into cars. I am almost always able to tell you a year, make and model of cars and even possibly the engine type lol.
So I mean it wasn't life or death but in a way it was because I remember feeling like if he was caught then I would be safe. I missed almost 13 weeks of school that year because I associated going to school with being attacked and I slept in my parents bed for a good year or so afterwards.

 

[yuknomenot]

Ok so C and G were on a "at home" vacay right?
Why then did it take them so long to pick up the certified letter that the tow company sent?

Still behind, but if IIRC, Cindy said it took a couple days for them to see the notice on the door. I remember thinking when she said that, if she knew it was a couple days, how could she deny knowing it was there. I will have to go back and research my recall tomorrow. I believe that was in the Greta interview, but I can't be certain. That Greta interview sure did supply a lot of thought provoking info.

 

[Cagney]

Still behind, but if IIRC, Cindy said it took a couple days for them to see the notice on the door. I remember thinking when she said that, if she knew it was a couple days, how could she deny knowing it was there. I will have to go back and research my recall tomorrow. I believe that was in the Greta interview, but I can't be certain. That Greta interview sure did supply a lot of thought provoking info.

Interesting.....Here if the postman doesn't get you in person he puts the notice in your mailbox not on your door.
And if they don't make contact after so many tries the notice gets brighter and brighter lol. Then returned after like 3 failed attempts, I believe.

 

[RobinSTAR]

Has anyone searched myspace for a Z. Gonzales with an "S" maybe she got the spelling wrong. There is one from brooklyn/pr and her display name is "zeni" kinda like "zanny".
May be a stretch tho.

 

[yuknomenot]

I DO BELIEVE GEORGE COULD GIVE AN ACCURATE or CLOSE TO ACCURATE ACCOUNT OF WHAT DAUGHTER AND GRANDDAUGHTER WERE WEARING.

Human brain does take notice of a lot of information but when there is no need to retrieve that information it stays well hidden in the brain. But it is there. It is not important for you or me to remember what our loved ones wore last week or a month ago. But if you HAD to remember, if our loved ones' lifes depended on it, then we could remember things like their clothes and what they ate and details we couldn't even believe were registered in our brains. Human brain registers a lot of information but only uses what it is useful otherwise the brain couldn't function. Human memory is a wonderful wise mechanism that stores information and retrieves it when there is reason to do so.

I think it is an unfair comparison to relate whether we remember what we wore last week with George remembering what his grandchild who is missing wore last month. He has a REASON to remember, Caylee's life depends on it. And there are special interviewing techniques that can help you focus on that day and retrieve that information. Add that with the fact that George received training as a detective.

Having said all that.......I don't know if George's account is accurate or something made up. My argument is not to say George is telling the truth. Because frankly my personal opinion is that the whole family are strangers to the truth. I just think the comparisons of what our memory can retrieve cannot be compared with what the memory of a person who NEEDS to remember something can retrieve. If we saw our dear sister two months ago and we learn she was murdered and the police asks us what she was wearing that day I think most of us will be able to recall pretty accurately and with details not only what she was wearing but other details as well. So my opinion whether George is saying the truth or not is based mostly on their other actions and behaviors not on the mechanism of memory.

I do believe George could recall accurately what the girls were wearing I just don't know if he would tell the truth or not.

I will give you this, thankfully I never had occasion for the need to recall exactly what my child was wearing. I would hope, had that need arisen, I would have had instant recall. I can't guarantee that I would have. It's so frightening, and unfathomable, that anyone would have to go through this situation. IMO, there's only one certainty, I would do ANYTHING to find my child. I don't care how bad it would make me, or anybody else appear, my child is the only thing that matters. The 'A' family doesn't seem to have the same goal.