Caylee's "Mama" Doll

[doogiesgirl]

The more I think about the wool fibers only on the doll and tape.....the more perplexed I get. How in the world could those fibers ONLY get on the doll and tape? It's very weird.
Is anyone else completely puzzled by this?

MOO

 

[Skully]

Bumping to connect with Fiber Analysis thread discussion.

Black wool fibers found only on Mama Doll and on the 3 pieces of duct tape found on Caylee's skull.

Mama Doll found in the car naked, with traces of chloroform. IIRC, no doll clothes were ever found in the car. Could Mama Doll have been wearing something black wool soaked in chloroform that was later discarded?

Way back around the time Caylee was found, I thought that a stuffed toy was soaked with chloroform and given to her to put her out. But I was thinking this was something that was done on a semi regular basis and she was sleeping in the trunk with the back seats folded down for space. She could be hidden this way with junk around her. The doll cloths make sense. I don't know how much you would have to put on an item for a child to be put out, but I would think it would have made her sick also. I remember getting ether to get tonsils out and the ether made you really sick when you woke up.

 

[celticthyme]

In thinking about possible sources ofr the black wool fibers on the tape & Mama doll, I am wondering about 1) the trunk floor carpet 2) less likely the car seat, because probably a polyester. We can't know if Caylee might have had black wool fibers on her to begin with, because of the extent of decomposition, water and weather elements disturbing her little body from mid June to December 11th.

 

[Reznor]

I was thinking mama doll's clothes and/or the clothes she (KC) was wearing when she did her evil deed. It HAS to be somewhere close & obvious, because look where she put Caylee's body. I think we all need to brainstorm on where she could have tossed "the clothes". Just throw any location that comes to mind out there....maybe we'll hit on something.

:cow:

The first location that comes to mind is that house around the corner from the A's. The house that DC was slashing the bags.

 

[cloud9]

The first location that comes to mind is that house around the corner from the A's. The house that DC was slashing the bags.

Yes! I agree! The "Brackenwood" house. IMO, the outside AND inside of that house needs to be searched thoroughly!

 

[Curious Me]

We have a naked Mama doll found in the car. The doll's clothes have never been found. I guess this has always bothered me.

My memory needs refreshing. Did Mama doll go on the trip to the nursing home?

 

[Intermezzo]

Yes! I agree! The "Brackenwood" house. IMO, the outside AND inside of that house needs to be searched thoroughly!

recently, I saw pics of that house on the internet, it was all cleaned up and I believe it has been sold.

 

[cloud9]

recently, I saw pics of that house on the internet, it was all cleaned up and I believe it has been sold.

Wow! Thanks

 

[Solace]

We have a naked Mama doll found in the car. The doll's clothes have never been found. I guess this has always bothered me.

My memory needs refreshing. Did Mama doll go on the trip to the nursing home?

But remember that Cindy said she was always putting the clothes back on. Cindy was not there the morning they left or afternoon. KC would not bother with that. She just let her take her doll and Caylee had probably removed the clothes as she usually did.

 

[cloud9]

recently, I saw pics of that house on the internet, it was all cleaned up and I believe it has been sold.

I just saw the pics and the house is gorgeous inside and out!

Question:

Even though Caylee was not found *exactly* on that property, and considering PI DC searched there, and Mama Doll's clothes *might* be on that property, can the house be sold before the conclusion of the trial?

1. What if the jury had to go there concerning DC search?

2. A house I lived in and was going to buy couldn't be sold until after the trial.

Just wondering...

Thanks again.

 

[shaye]

I know I've seen a picture of Caylee w/a huge stuffed animal...possibly a Panda Bear, that was mainly black w/white around the face and paws....just thinking out loud but wonder if that's where the Black Wool Fibers could have come from?!? Caylee playing w/the Panda and Mama Doll at the same time, maybe KC put the Choloform on the Black Panda/Stuffed Animal and shoved and held little Caylee's face on it..hate even thinking that much less typing it!! Anyway, just a thought I'll see if I can find a picture.

 

[shaye]

Only thing I could find was from this YouTube video but have seen lots of pics of Caylee w/this same Panda Bear...the thing is practically as big as she is.....anyway, is at the 4:25 mark, there may be more on there but that's where I stopped watching, breaks my heart to watch knowing what happened to that poor baby!!

Here's the link:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQK700P8nM[/ame]

 

[MissingLovedOnes]

Only thing I could find was from this YouTube video but have seen lots of pics of Caylee w/this same Panda Bear...the thing is practically as big as she is.....anyway, is at the 4:25 mark, there may be more on there but that's where I stopped watching, breaks my heart to watch knowing what happened to that poor baby!!

Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQK700P8nM

According to one of Casey's myspace page comment to Lee, she makes a statement about what Caylee is doing to "mom's pandas" or something to suggest that the pandas are Cindy's. She claims Caylee is doing something such as trying to "make panda babies." I interpreted this as Caylee either making motions on the stuffed bear as if she was having sex with it, or Caylee was possibly using 2 stuffed bears in a way to suggest they were having sex. I'm only assuming that based on Casey's comment to Lee.

It seems if Lee has molested Casey, or made any sexual advances to her, she would certainly not be making such remarks to him about Caylee "making panda babies" with the stuffed bears of Cindy's. This is bizarre behavior if Lee did touch Casey inappropriately. It's as if she was putting Caylee "out there" in the suggestive area that should be off limits.

 

[Teresa]

I sorta had a crazy idea...Could Casey have had black wool socks on? I'm thinking this because I've often stuck scoth tape strips to my sock/leg when wrapping Christmas gifts. Probably silly, but maybe.

 

[Teresa]

scotch not scoch!

 

[Capri]

I sorta had a crazy idea...Could Casey have had black wool socks on? I'm thinking this because I've often stuck scoth tape strips to my sock/leg when wrapping Christmas gifts. Probably silly, but maybe.

In summer, in Fla....not likely. Anyway, I don't see ICA as a black-wool-sock-wearing kind of girl. But anything's possible

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

These black wool fibers...been wracking my brain as all of you have pretty much covered everything but one thing that may have been forgotten. The bag of stuffed animals that LA and CA had said folks from all over sent to the house but the animals smelled like smoke so they were throwing them away.
Way back then most of us were totally flabbergasted at the sheer rudeness of doing such a thing as the trash was in front of the house and media could see them throwing these "gifts" away. With what some theorize now, it may not have been smokey stuffed animals at all but something else that needed to be done away with.
It wasn't long after this incident that the one Trash Lady started going by and picking up their trash and going through it.
Feel free to shoot holes all through this, as it was just a memory that popped into my head.

 

[camcneishg]

what color was the rug on the back porch? I remember something about a rug....

 

[Meeko]

what color was the rug on the back porch? I remember something about a rug....

I am pretty sure seafoam.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

OH MY! KC is more vile than I ever thought possible!! This is the first I'd heard of this but your right, why would she say something like that to her brother that supposedly molested her and about her own little girl?!? KC is a disgusting bi**h! Why even say that to anyone...why would Caylee at such a young age be doing inappropriate acts w/stuffed animals or other wise?? Unless she had been exposed to seeing these types of things!!(like KC having sex in front of Caylee, we all know Caylee slept in the same bed w/KC & who ever her boyfriend was at the time) Not saying she was exposed to certain acts or that was even what Caylee was doing w/the Panda's....maybe Caylee was just playing and in KC's filthy, sick mind just thought Caylee was doing these inappropriate acts, thinking it was funny and cute and couldn't wait to brag about it to someone! :maddening: To me, that screams what kind of person/mother she really was! I've wondered many times if Caylee was exposed or seen things she shouldn't have w/a mother like that but I always put it out of my mind, just the thought of it makes me ill. Poor Caylee deserved so much better than the hand she was dealt!! So, many couples/families out there that would do anything to have such a beautiful little girl and would die for them, it's not suppose to be the other way around!!

Simulating sex acts on/with stuffed animals is a HUGE red flag for a child that age. It's one of the things that point to potential problems. Of course, this is Casey saying this so who knows what actually happened.