Caylee's Teeth

[Woe.be.gone]

Most likely she had her cuspids(K-9) on average childern get them at 16-22 months of age.

This book says "molars" but points out that the bicuspids (permanent teeth) take the place of the baby molars (doesn't specify exactly when but not before age 6). The substitution of the teeth is not completed until a child is somewhere around 12 to 14 years of age. There are 12 year old molars that come in behind the 6 year molars. Then lastly, the wisdom teeth or 18 year old molars.

So the bicuspids take the place of the baby molars, then the 6 year molars, 12 year molars and 18 year old molars, respectively.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I can see where Cindy is going with the 20 teeth VS 18 teeth.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf
This one says 20 teeth..
On 12/12 OSCO received 2 teeth
On 12/13 3 more teeth were found
Dr. Garavalgia (sp) found 1 tooth inside the skull stuck to dirt
Notes 13 teeth in the mandible
Notes 1 tooth missing
= 20 teeth

In the Anthropologists report it says differently:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html
13 in mandible, 4 loose teeth found and 1 missing
= 18 teeth

That is why she keeps bringing it up..to bash the forensics and the States experts.
All the teeth were recovered the first day or two after the remains were discovered and right near the skull. The front incisor was not found. I question whether it was missing before she was dumped.

Of course with only CA's word for it, we can't really believe it.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm taking a real risk here at being really stupid. I have a question though.
Did I read somewhere that a tooth had been found under the carseat in the pontiac?

So far just speculation like; What if the missing tooth was found by the family in the car or backyard, etc.

This discussion began because we know there is one tooth missing and the word "tooth" is written on an exhibit that is important to the case. We all launched into a what if scenario to the point that we even confused ourselves and had to go back to see what was true and what was not true.

Please correct me if this is not a fair description.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think there were 20 too. 19 are accounted for in the collection report. Dang! Why does she get to be right! :furious: LOL

But there is still one missing.

Yes, it could be lost but it could have been found too.

Maybe the examiner will have more information about this later?

Maybe KC had the missing tooth (knocked out or whatever) and DID take it to JB - how she would explain that I don't know. Maybe she dumbed up.

 

[wonders]

So far just speculation like; What if the missing tooth was found by the family in the car or backyard, etc.

This discussion began because we know there is one tooth missing and the word "tooth" is written on an exhibit that is important to the case. We all launched into a what if scenario to the point that we even confused ourselves and had to go back to see what was true and what was not true.

Please correct me if this is not a fair description.

Woe.be.gone thank you very much for setting me straight.

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

This book says "molars" but points out that the bicuspids (permanent teeth) take the place of the baby molars (doesn't specify exactly when but not before age 6). The substitution of the teeth is not completed until a child is somewhere around 12 to 14 years of age. There are 12 year old molars that come in behind the 6 year molars. Then lastly, the wisdom teeth or 18 year old molars.

So the bicuspids take the place of the baby molars, then the 6 year molars, 12 year molars and 18 year old molars, respectively.

What book? I pulled my info from my dental assisting book.

 

[lizzysf]

But there is still one missing.

Yes, it could be lost but it could have been found too.

Maybe the examiner will have more information about this later?

Maybe KC had the missing tooth (knocked out or whatever) and DID take it to JB - how she would explain that I don't know. Maybe she dumbed up.

You never know. It is missing, it is a front tooth (most likely teeth to be damaged if hit in the face), and ALL other teeth were found, and ALL were either stiil attached or near the skull. Except this 1. So, I agree, it could be lost in the woods, but it could also have never been in the woods. I am just keeping the door open either way. Not sure if we will ever know, but it did come to mind when discussing the possible carseat tampering by Cindy. Like if it was blood she found, where did it come from? Ahhh, maybe the missing front tooth? Did an angry Casey hit her?
Yes...speculation..but sometimes when you speculate you stumble upon a gold nugget of info. I want to know more about the carseat.

 

[RR0004]

Of course with only CA's word for it, we can't really believe it.

Any way you look at it, they're still missing teeth...which could mean absolutely nothing considering the circumstances, except if the As were in possession of one of these missing teeth. You would think, though, they would have given "she's missing a tooth" in their description of Caylee when she was finally reported "gone".

 

[The Eunice Burns]

I apologize if this has been said before, I'm so far behind on the threads, I don't know if it has been discussed in the thread about the objections in CA's depo and the list....but if the As have a tooth from Caylee who was too young to have begun losing baby teeth, if.........could it have been knocked out in the fight on the 15th? A knock down drag out fight between adults and a little person got caught in the mouth by a flying fist or foot? Just a thought and again, it probably has been discussed before.

 

[lizzysf]

I apologize if this has been said before, I'm so far behind on the threads, I don't know if it has been discussed in the thread about the objections in CA's depo and the list....but if the As have a tooth from Caylee who was too young to have begun losing baby teeth, if.........could it have been knocked out in the fight on the 15th? A knock down drag out fight between adults and a little person got caught in the mouth by a flying fist or foot? Just a thought and again, it probably has been discussed before.

I doubt any kind of physical altercation in the A's home would have included Caylee. Even by accident. I don't think the A's would have ever hurt her. If a tooth was knocked out, I say Casey would be responsible 100%. JMO.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

I doubt any kind of physical altercation in the A's home would have included Caylee. Even by accident. I don't think the A's would have ever hurt her. If a tooth was knocked out, I say Casey would be responsible 100%. JMO.

I agree, although the temper I've seen flashes of that CA has, as well as KC in the visitation videos.....makes me wonder if something got way out of control and Caylee had come into the room where it went down, they don't notice her and she was accidentally struck or kicked. Disclaimer---this is all just musings on my part........The teeth/tooth thing has caused me to take off in thought......

 

[whiteangora]

I doubt any kind of physical altercation in the A's home would have included Caylee. Even by accident. I don't think the A's would have ever hurt her. If a tooth was knocked out, I say Casey would be responsible 100%. JMO.

A front tooth could also come out during a fall. Maybe Casey was preoccupied and Caylee fell from somewhere? Casey may have gotten hysterical and Caylee wouldn't stop crying and then came the duct tape.

 

[celticthyme]

One would think that if Caylee had broken a front tooth before she went missing, every single on of them would bring that up in a description of last time I saw her . . . .

If Casey lost her temper and hit her in the face, there would have been bleeding. And if it happened in the car, she probably had blood on/in her car seat. Could be the reason Cindy switched them out after they brought the car back from impound. It has occurred to me that if she died in her car seat, and she was laid down in the trunk on her side, it could look like the fetal position . . .
Every day some puzzle pieces get put into place, and others that don't quite fit, have to go back on the board. There will be a complete picture in the puzzle.

 

[lizzysf]

One would think that if Caylee had broken a front tooth before she went missing, every single on of them would bring that up in a description of last time I saw her . . . .

If Casey lost her temper and hit her in the face, there would have been bleeding. And if it happened in the car, she probably had blood on/in her car seat. Could be the reason Cindy switched them out after they brought the car back from impound. It has occurred to me that if she died in her car seat, and she was laid down in the trunk on her side, it could look like the fetal position . . .
Every day some puzzle pieces get put into place, and others that don't quite fit, have to go back on the board. There will be a complete picture in the puzzle.

If that happened, that is why I think Cindy may have tampered with the car seat.

 

[jandkmom]

I think I need some more explanation why the missing teeth is a big deal. Caylee's body was there for months. A little tooth could float away, or I hate to even think this thought, if an animal got hold of some of her body, the tooth could have been eaten by the animal. (I think that is the worst sentence that I have ever written) Why is the missing tooth a big deal? There was more of her missing than a tooth.

 

[carrie]

JMO, but I think that if there was (as is being speculated) blood or a tooth in the car/carseat, that we'd have likely heard about it way before now. I think Cindy would have told LE the day she called 911 or even possibly mentioned it during the 911 call.

If she blurted out that it smelled like there'd been a dead body in the car, she would have likely mentioned a tooth or blood in the car. KWIM? JMO

 

[lizzysf]

JMO, but I think that if there was (as is being speculated) blood or a tooth in the car/carseat, that we'd have likely heard about it way before now. I think Cindy would have told LE the day she called 911 or even possibly mentioned it during the 911 call.

If she blurted out that it smelled like there'd been a dead body in the car, she would have likely mentioned a tooth or blood in the car. KWIM? JMO

Then why would she have cleaned the car, brought in the knife, washed the pants.. if she was being so honest...Why didn't she blurt out "The car smells like a damn dead body and I found a knife in the car!"

 

[countzero]

IIRC, LE did an ALS at the A compound and found no evidence of blood. As much as CA is a clean freak, even she would not be able to get out any and all evidence of blood if there was any.

I don't believe Caylee lost a tooth during a fight between CA/KC or KC backhanding her in the A compound. I think the tooth is either still in the mud and wasn't found, or an animal removed it outside of the area LE cleared out.

 

[lizzysf]

What if she put the heart sticker on the mouth to say I am sorry for hitting you in the mouth? She may have backhanded Caylee in the carseat to start with. Maybe she goes home and knows her days are numbered when Cindy and George see Caylee's face/missing tooth? Caylee is still crying.. Casey still panicking, loses it, duct tapes her mouth because of the crying...
A missing child is better than facing the music with a damaged child that can tell on her ... so she makes a choice. An angry outburst leads to the murder.

 

[CuriousTwo]

The remains site was flooded for quite a while. Page seven indicates two teeth were found five inches below the top of the root system. There was a larger established root system throughout the muddy soil. A torrential hurricane blew past the area and dumped several inches of rain. Moreover, the area was ridden with debris and trash. Baby teeth are miniscule. Therefore, I am not surprised a tooth was not recovered.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740668/detail.html

Same here. I think it's a miracle in and of itself that so many teeth were found. Sort of like a needle in a haystack. If one is missing, it doesn't mean a thing in my mind.