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Putting the Civil Depo and the FBI/LE interviews & Depos side by side goes to prove both Cindy and George (not only lied on National TV) but more importantly lied in Sworn Testimony.

:waitasec: or was that half-truths.

If it were only "half truths" instead of bold faced and bald faced lies, maybe people wouldn't feel so much contempt for this crazy family. :argue:

Lies to the media - they had the world at their doorstep, wanting to find Caylee. But they lied, to keep her lost. :talker:

Lies to Tim Miller, that enraged those of us who followed this nightmare and saw the damage to him as a man, victim's advocate and a parent of a murder victim. :furious:

Lies to OCSD, the FBI, the SA and Judge SS to name a few. How many parents of missing children get this kind of response to help find their child? And we know it was all a waste, a huge waste... :banghead:

Lies to family and friends - lies about family and friends. :shakehead:

DECEPTION, IN YOUR FACE, COLD BLOODED LIES! That CA would pass off as her truths. :liar:

How could she... :confused:

I have no words for what I feel in the pit of my stomach and the pain in my heart for little Caylee. :cry:
 
For you my friend, I shortened it to fit, if you really want it.
"Amy could be Zanny. Zanny has brown hair, but that could be code for blonde hair. Zanny could be a generic term for babysitter. Jeff could be a reference to Ricardo. Jeff could be a generic term for boyfriend. If Ricardo introduced Amy to KC, that could be code for Jeff introducing Zanny to KC. The Jacksonville connection could be code for the car at Amscot. Jeff getting KC's car fixed was code for KC not knowing where the car was", Cindy Anthony to the lead detectives. Seriously!

:blushing:

The reason those quotes are so hysterical, tears streaming down your cheeks funny ( God knows we need a little levity ), is because she honest to God set there with seasoned homicide detectives, who thought they had heard it all, and told her theories about the codes. To their credit, they managed to keep a straight face. You bet your life, those men deserve a raise! If I lived in that community I would learn how to cook just to bake them some cookies.

Thank you, Julia!!! :blowkiss:

Even funnier, the ONLY thing I had room to add was "-Cindy Anthony" It would not even let me credit you and thank you for permission to repost! LMAO! That woman can tallkkkk!!! I got about 10 error msgs when I tried to edit it - "Limit to 500 characters" hahahahaha!

I opted to credit Cindy in my sig line and thank you here and via PM! I figured it was best that those words be permanently attached to HER name. ;)
 
Thank you, Julia!!! :blowkiss:

Even funnier, the ONLY thing I had room to add was "-Cindy Anthony" It would not even let me credit you and thank you for permission to repost! LMAO! That woman can tallkkkk!!! I got about 10 error msgs when I tried to edit it - "Limit to 500 characters" hahahahaha!

I opted to credit Cindy in my sig line and thank you here and via PM! I figured it was best that those words be permanently attached to HER name. ;)

Oh my gosh, now THAT is hysterical. No doubt Cynthia Anthony will spin it as sign of flattery. Good thing I read your post with my coffee cup securely sitting on the table or else my IPad would have to be replaced.
 
After reading Val's blog it appears that our precious Caylee died because CA stopped the flow of money to ICA...so much of that money was spent on ICA's cell phone bills...ICA loved her phone more than she loved Caylee. She could live without Caylee but she sure couldn't live without that phone!:furious:

Can you imagine, in order to access all of her phone records, Lee had to pay over seven hundred dollars (American dollars) to reinstate Casey's account that was being closed by the service provider for non payment. She could rent a apartment with seven hundred dollars a month!! What a shame. Grandma said she was a very talented photographer. She could have signed over legal custody to mom, been an intern with a photographer while she studied for a year, started working out of her little apartment and by now been wholly independent and successful. One of my best friends is a wedding photographer and he lives WELL. She had a lot more going for her than most young mothers. She wouldn't have had a car payment. I am not sure but she could have tried to get some government assistance to feed, insure and house Caylee if she wanted to keep her, but live outside of mom and pop's home. They still would have loved to babysit her on the weekends. It doesn't appear she was even applying for jobs. Have we seen any information, except for the resume her folks found that listed her job experience as nanny? Young and pretty would get her an interview at many a entry level job, right? Aren't there even scholarships for single mothers to go to college?
That is the weirdest thing to me. Casey wasn't in a burkah in some third world country where these ideas would have been wild imaginings, these things she attributed to herself, good job and education, WERE right there for the taking. We cannot blame Cindy and George for all of the choices she made. Were they a bad example, yes. Could they have foreseen that financial crimes would lead to the death of their precious Caylee, no.

Reading Cindy's FBI interview again, I have come to understand the depth and breath of how , imo, troubled she was in general. She was not looking at Casey's stealing the way we do from the outside. Clearly. The fact that she was reaching out to a counselor tells me she was desperate to figure out what to do. I do think that if Cindy knew Caylee was in physical danger, she would have literally subdued Casey herself to protect Caylee. The one true thing she has said imo is that Caylee meant more to her than anyone ever had or ever would. She likely feels guilty for pushing Casey over the edge with that knock down drag out fight they had Father's day night that the neighbors overheard, and Lee detailed to Jesse as mom was straddling Casey , choking her.
She is in prison too, emotionally. Whether Casey gets out one day or not, Cindy will never be free. Watching her in the last hearing, knowing with the Judge's ruling that never again will she be able to speak to her daughter privately, she looked helpless, and hopeless. Gone was the chipper, laughing with the reporters, vying for the cameras with her overt displays of affection toward George. Whatever co dependent relationship there once was between them, seems long gone. She looked as if she aged twenty years, nearly frail, almost scared. Where will she work, where will she live, what will she do, she has lost both Caylee and Casey, and George? Lee has his own life, she may be thinking she has nothing. All that remains is confusion, misplaced anger, misguided guilt and regret.
Now she is left with the hardest two words in our language, the perpetual, agonizing, level you to the floor.....what if.

Mrs. Anthony, if you are reading here today, I have been shocked
at you trying to what appears to me to have been impeding the investigation trying to protect your daughter,
the unforgivable way you treated Mr. Miller (whose own daughter was murdered) and how you
blame this on innocent Jesse.
Damn straight I have been shocked! In the words of Mark Nejame "I am being overly generous in my characterization".
Nevertheless, I want to tell you publicly today, you did not kill Caylee, not literally or by cause and effect. No one in your position would have been able to predict Caylee would wind up dead that night. Obviously you would have ran through a raging fire to save Caylee if you could. Please get grief counseling. It will not honor Caylee for your life to be destroyed as well. Lee would not survive it if something were to happen to you. He too is alone with his thoughts and your son needs you. He will. Forever.
 
Thank you, Julia!!! :blowkiss:

Even funnier, the ONLY thing I had room to add was "-Cindy Anthony" It would not even let me credit you and thank you for permission to repost! LMAO! That woman can tallkkkk!!! I got about 10 error msgs when I tried to edit it - "Limit to 500 characters" hahahahaha!

I opted to credit Cindy in my sig line and thank you here and via PM! I figured it was best that those words be permanently attached to HER name. ;)

Pure. Unmitigated. Awesome.
:woohoo:
 
If it were only "half truths" instead of bold faced and bald faced lies, maybe people wouldn't feel so much contempt for this crazy family. :argue:

Lies to the media - they had the world at their doorstep, wanting to find Caylee. But they lied, to keep her lost. :talker:

Lies to Tim Miller, that enraged those of us who followed this nightmare and saw the damage to him as a man, victim's advocate and a parent of a murder victim. :furious:

Lies to OCSD, the FBI, the SA and Judge SS to name a few. How many parents of missing children get this kind of response to help find their child? And we know it was all a waste, a huge waste... :banghead:

Lies to family and friends - lies about family and friends. :shakehead:

DECEPTION, IN YOUR FACE, COLD BLOODED LIES! That CA would pass off as her truths. :liar:

How could she... :confused:

I have no words for what I feel in the pit of my stomach and the pain in my heart for little Caylee. :cry:

Well said! The Thanks button wasn't enough for this post! You hit the nail on the head with this one!
 
Hi Julia, I just want to applaud you for your compassion towards CA. Although I have none for her, I can view your opinion and others who can muster it and then write it.

You see, I have lived with a CA type, and how I see it is they have/had a choice to make a difference, to respond differently and they made/make the conscious decision NOT to. They feel such an entitlement and the laws of society do not apply to them.

CA knew her BOA was being raped by both ICA and GA, yet CA continued to allow it to occur on a regular basis. CA found out Shirleys BOA account had been raped by ICA which was the straw that broke her. Steal from me it's ok, but don't touch my mother mentality. CA conveyed the same to YM when he wanted to speak with CAs father.

This type of behavior displayed by the Anthonys didn't just start around Jan 08. IMHO it has been going on for years and years.

As Shirley stated, ICA hated CA more than she loved Caylee. And I would add that CA loves herself more than admitting her faults. I write the word love with a different meaning because it isn't the type of love that we, as society, conveys to another being. CAs love is narcissism at it's worst. And by viewing the BOA docs we can see just how bad it is.

CAs lack of response to the media about this is extremely telling. CA is aware now that the family dynamics and secrets are being exposed. And there isn't a dang thing she can do about it. She has been slowly stripped of her control over the A clan. With each damaging piece of information released, she loses. And she isn't about to lose. If she took your well intended and spot on advice, she would have to admit her failings. Nope, she won't do it. She will play the martyr role to her end of existence.

But you gave it a good try to shake some intelligence into her.
 
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for my friend, Count


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Have faith Count, even Mason felt that there will be a guilty verdict, Casey will get life or there will be a plea and get it over with.
 
Has it been proven exactly when Cindy figured out that Casey was stealing from her BOA account? Cindy must have known that she was the one paying for Caylee's diapers before potty training, snacks, clothes, toys, Christmas presents that year, etc. I never look at my mailed bank statements at all or mail until I pay bills online. Casey could have had another account and transferred some over to Cindy's at a certain time every two weeks when she knew Cindy would be checking her balance. Then, she could have taken it back out. I believe Cindy when she said that it was not that much at first. It could have taken Cindy awhile to actually look thru transactions and realized that she had lots of money missing. Casey was also probably buying things then returning them for cash after the checks cleared. I have total sympathy for Cindy and do not believe that she enabled Casey that much. Casey is a full blown narcissist and was putting her name on the checks so that she could claim they told her it was okay to write the check if caught. Plus, until Casey stole large amounts or forged a credit card Cindy knew that she would cause a felony record once the thefts got high enough. Then, how would Casey ever find a decent job. Once Cindy did have enough and began to think of getting custody of Caylee, someone ended up dead. It only took two years for all this to happen with Cindy working and putting up with George's antics plus trying to care for a baby. That is not that long, and I completely believe her when she said that it started after Caylee was born. There were probably lies before, but none that were serious or that Casey got caught in because she was so young and still a minor in school.
 
Has it been proven exactly when Cindy figured out that Casey was stealing from her BOA account? Cindy must have known that she was the one paying for Caylee's diapers before potty training, snacks, clothes, toys, Christmas presents that year, etc. I never look at my mailed bank statements at all or mail until I pay bills online. Casey could have had another account and transferred some over to Cindy's at a certain time every two weeks when she knew Cindy would be checking her balance. Then, she could have taken it back out. I believe Cindy when she said that it was not that much at first. It could have taken Cindy awhile to actually look thru transactions and realized that she had lots of money missing. Casey was also probably buying things then returning them for cash after the checks cleared. I have total sympathy for Cindy and do not believe that she enabled Casey that much. Casey is a full blown narcissist and was putting her name on the checks so that she could claim they told her it was okay to write the check if caught. Plus, until Casey stole large amounts or forged a credit card Cindy knew that she would cause a felony record once the thefts got high enough. Then, how would Casey ever find a decent job. Once Cindy did have enough and began to think of getting custody of Caylee, someone ended up dead. It only took two years for all this to happen with Cindy working and putting up with George's antics plus trying to care for a baby. That is not that long, and I completely believe her when she said that it started after Caylee was born. There were probably lies before, but none that were serious or that Casey got caught in because she was so young and still a minor in school.

Okay, if Cindy Anthony didn't know the first time 2,000 in one month went missing from her account that it was Casey and that this was a serious problem, then wow, what kind of denial she must have been in. I'm sorry, but this isn't petty cash missing. It's THOUSANDS of dollars EACH MONTH from her banking account. It doesn't matter how short of a time it went on - NO ONE should allow ANYONE to continuously steal THOUSANDS of dollars out of their account even ONCE, much less for almost three years. There is no way to make this any less than what it was - Casey robbing her own mother blind to make a living for herself. Twenty, fifty dollars here and there, not a big deal. THOUSANDS of dollars missing every month = HUGE DEAL!!!! BIG HONKING RED FLAG!!!!

There was a post earlier where someone added up what she stole in one month, and it came out to 1800 dollars, I believe (actually one said 1950 in a four month span, and another said almost 3,000 in the month of May 2008. So in any event, it clearly escalated over time). That is not something to let anyone get away with. Good Lord, what was Cindy thinking? Stealing money in that amount every month is NEVER okay.
 
Cindy did tell the dispatcher during one of the 911 calls that she had documentation with her of the money taken from her account. I think she did finally sit down and look at what Casey had actually taken. I do believe there was a big confrontation on the night of the 15th of June involving lies, theft from family and poor mothering. I think Cindy issued an ultimatum to Casey that night. Casey was backed into a corner. The prospect of caring for Caylee all by herself became a tremendous burden. But there was the "Beautiful Life" demanding to be lived and it was easier living it without the burden of Caylee. :silenced:

It would be enlightening to see if Cindy called the bank and changed anything about her checking account. I know I would have. I don't know whose credit card Casey was using to make purchases for Tony's household - probably Cindy's. By July 15, Cindy had probably been billed for all the unauthorized purchases made. She was angry enough at that point to blow the lid off of Casey's thievery. By then there was another issue........a missing little girl.
 
Okay, if Cindy Anthony didn't know the first time 2,000 in one month went missing from her account that it was Casey and that this was a serious problem, then wow, what kind of denial she must have been in. I'm sorry, but this isn't petty cash missing. It's THOUSANDS of dollars EACH MONTH from her banking account. It doesn't matter how short of a time it went on - NO ONE should allow ANYONE to continuously steal THOUSANDS of dollars out of their account even ONCE, much less for almost three years. There is no way to make this any less than what it was - Casey robbing her own mother blind to make a living for herself. Twenty, fifty dollars here and there, not a big deal. THOUSANDS of dollars missing every month = HUGE DEAL!!!! BIG HONKING RED FLAG!!!!

There was a post earlier where someone added up what she stole in one month, and it came out to 1800 dollars, I believe (actually one said 1950 in a four month span, and another said almost 3,000 in the month of May 2008. So in any event, it clearly escalated over time). That is not something to let anyone get away with. Good Lord, what was Cindy thinking? Stealing money in that amount every month is NEVER okay.

Agree 100%!!!! The monetary amounts being deposited into that account were modest. It is safe to say that the A's were "making ends meet" without a lot of extra "play" money left over. There is NO WAY that KC could steal those sums of money and it not have been a burden on their finances. Ten or twenty dollars, she may have gotten away with it. But, those Target checks were over a hundred dollars each, and there would be several checks on the same day in these amounts. I call bullsh^t if CA wants to say that she was unaware of it. If you put $2000.00 in your bank, and $1500.00 goes missing, something isn't getting paid. Period. Grocery checks will bounce, car payment, house payment, something. CA knew. She just doesn't want to admit it. JMO.
 
I don't wait for my monthly statement to balance my account, I dial in on the automated line about once a week and check it as I go, in case I have forgotten to write a transaction down. I don't write a lot of checks but I do use my debit card a lot and I keep it very accurate this way and catch mistakes early.
 
I just want to say that these financial records paint a more vivid picture of what was leading up to Caylee's sad death; more so than most records we have seen in discovery. It's funny how just bunch of numbers can set such a dramatic scene, especially when you pair if up with phone records, texts, and eye-witness accounts of how those days were lived in connecting with KC herself.

Looking at these bank records, we see KC's possible motive (punishment to CA for cutting off her funds?) and an escalating sense being indestructible/above reproach. We also see very clearly what CA KNOWS . . . . despite what she SAYS. She can call KC "mother of the year" all she wants, but we know that she knows she's hardly fit for that role at all.
 
"Go down deep enough into anything and you will find mathematics." ~Dean Schlicter

It's always in the numbers. :D
 
Cindy did tell the dispatcher during one of the 911 calls that she had documentation with her of the money taken from her account. I think she did finally sit down and look at what Casey had actually taken. I do believe there was a big confrontation on the night of the 15th of June involving lies, theft from family and poor mothering. I think Cindy issued an ultimatum to Casey that night. Casey was backed into a corner. The prospect of caring for Caylee all by herself became a tremendous burden. But there was the "Beautiful Life" demanding to be lived and it was easier living it without the burden of Caylee. :silenced:

It would be enlightening to see if Cindy called the bank and changed anything about her checking account. I know I would have. I don't know whose credit card Casey was using to make purchases for Tony's household - probably Cindy's. By July 15, Cindy had probably been billed for all the unauthorized purchases made. She was angry enough at that point to blow the lid off of Casey's thievery. By then there was another issue........a missing little girl.

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Cindy did eventually close down the accounts ...not sure if she told the bank the truth as to WHY?

I would like to know if she notified or reported to BoA about Casey dipping into her finances? Was there a Fraud alert posted on her accounts and credit cards?
I have a feeling NO...
 
"Go down deep enough into anything and you will find mathematics." ~Dean Schlicter

It's always in the numbers. :D

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." 1 Timothy 6:10, The Bible
 
I just want to say that these financial records paint a more vivid picture of what was leading up to Caylee's sad death; more so than most records we have seen in discovery. It's funny how just bunch of numbers can set such a dramatic scene, especially when you pair if up with phone records, texts, and eye-witness accounts of how those days were lived in connecting with KC herself.

Looking at these bank records, we see KC's possible motive (punishment to CA for cutting off her funds?) and an escalating sense being indestructible/above reproach. We also see very clearly what CA KNOWS . . . . despite what she SAYS. She can call KC "mother of the year" all she wants, but we know that she knows she's hardly fit for that role at all.

BBM
And that is exactly why CA would not turn over any financial statements ... because she KNEW how badly they would portray her daughter as not only an irresponsible and dishonest adult, but also an irresponsible, dishonest and neglectful parent ... she knew ... MOTY indeed ...
 
Thanks to all of the insightful posts that everyone has added to this thread. I've been trying to just read this thread topic over the last week, and, finished it this afternoon.
My head is literally bouncing and spinning from all of this. {I've not had time to even delve into the latest document dump}

So ~ Trying to remember things that people have posted, I'll just throw out some random thoughts.

In the first few pages, someone posted that Shirley P had a savings account of $14,000 which coincides with the same amount that we have speculated that Casey claimed to also have.
I wonder if she was getting ready to clean that account out and make her great escape if push would have come to shove?
For her to know the balance, she, had to have had access of that personal info as well.
Was that money in Shirley's account that Casey lifted the routing number from, or, a differant one?

I also, like many of you, have taken a certain degree of liking to Shirley; however, at the same time, I also tend to want to keep my distance from her as well.
While it is true, that Shirley "seemed to speak freely to LE", we don't really know what true degree that conversation really was.
She did tell LE that Cindy had been to see her, and that she hoped that she didn't say anything that would upset Cindy. {not sure of the exact quote, but, in that vein, if I remember correctly}
Yes, she was upset and PO'd at Casey, but, Cindy is her daughter, and, I can see her protecting her just the same that we have seen Cindy lie and protect Casey.

In Diane Fanning's book, she claims that Cindy was the Princess in that family ~ Much again like we have seen Casey treated.
Cindy's brother's had to pay for their vehicles and education, while she did not.
Dito to Casey in comparission to brother Lee ~
Perhaps this is why the request was made for the latest Ohio trip, maybe not so much to investigate Casey, as it is to look into Cindy's childhood to use as a hook for Casey in the end? There is nothing in Ohio that could have anything to do with Casey really, having had moved from there when she was 3yrs old. They are wanting to investigate the elder Anthony and Plesea traits, IMO. {Cindy and George and their parents - the grandparents were also from Ohio}

I'm not suggesting that Cindy stole from her parents, but, again, we have seen so many traits of Casey's that mimic that her mother in regards to lies, mis-trueths, etc.
Perhaps this is one reason that Cindy seemed to disregard and cover these bank transactions that Casey did.

Didn't George at one time in one of his interviews say that they had to take a small loan out to cover the house payment because of Casey dipping into Cindy's account, and the house payment bounced?
IMO, yes, Cindy certainly knew what was taking place right under her nose.
But, it also smacks to me that Casey must have had something that she was holding over Cindy's head, and had her backed into a corner over something or another.
She HAD to have known about these transactions. Our bank has called us on the few occasions that we have had checks overlap when we've been promised payments from accounts/clients. Surely the bank had her cell phone number and knew where she worked, that they could have called to have alerted her to those large withdrawalls, esp the ones that took place on the same day??

{So many things to touch on - trying to remember everything}

George, and, his lack of an active bank account.
I seem to remember him telling LE that the money he had been setting aside for Caylee was by direct deposit, right?? Anyone remember that?
So, he has that, but, no checking account in his name. As brought up earlier by other's, I would guess that since he was not ever to "up and at em" in the job market", that eventually, any account that he may have had closed. Either for lack of a job, or, overdrafts. Once you show a habit of being a habitual offender of writing bad checks, they cut you off, and, it is near impossible to open a new one. Same for Casey I would guess; hence the first name basis with AMSCOTT for the both of them.

But, any way you slice this pie, the amount of money that Casey was taking is no small chump change, IMO.
They had to have known ~ And, I can't imagine that Cindy kept it between herself and Casey the way that we have seen her blow.

Last question or remark for now.
On those withdrawalls, is there a time stamp on them??

The reason that I ask, is because years ago, I worked in a Domestic Abuse and Violence Crisis Center.
We had a woman come in one time, and, after a few days of her being there, she was freaking out and crying that the bank had made a "mistake" and that they were claiming that she was overdrawn on her SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
I asked her HOW in the world can you be overdrawn on a savings account?

Well, when the cops came calling for her, she admitted to me that she had scammed the bank.
She made a large deposit at around noon at the main bank, then went back to the main bank to withdraw minutes after the 3PM cut off period of the day.
She then proceeded to go across town to the drive through bank, showed them the deposit slip from earlier in the day, and, she cleaned it out, thereby overdrawing it.
Course, she didn't get away with it, but, she told me that she had pulled this at a few banks before this one caught and stopped her.
Maybe Casey had a simular switch and bait thing going on?

Anyway, GREAT comments everyone = Thanks so much for always tearing these documents apart, and, reposting video clips.
Makes my head spin just thinking about the twisted, convulted ways all of the Anthony's think.
 

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