Cindy's BoA Checking Account

[ZsaZsa]

Possibly, but once again think about it. THEY PAID OUT $700 That is not a trivial sum of money. Not for something that you could theoretically go to the primary source for. KC. They wouldn't pay $700 because "oh no KC lost THAT sim card so couldn't remember the phone number!". They (or you or I, or any reasonable person) would only pay out that much to back check KC's story. They knew she was lying and were investigating around her lies. It is the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn from that. Just as CA's bank statements show a patern of abuse by KC and an enabling by CA, up until it stopped. Immediately at which point Caylee is never heard from or seen again. Very very chilling. These simple paper printouts tell a much different more believable story of that family and of what happened to Caylee, far more clearly than all the wagging jaws of her family, and their constant lies.

Oh and to the above question. No LE would not have had to pay KC's phone bill to see the records. I suspect that LE had them in hand by the morning of the 16th. Probably within an hour of them making a call to the telco. This was an active missing child / "kidnapping" case. The telco would have erred on the side of giving LE whatever they wanted as quick as they could, and let any needed paperwork or judicial sign offs catch up in a day or two. YM probably had the records waiting for him on his desk when he got back from his little walk with KC at Universal. If he hadn't already seen them.

Yes, that's my point. They knew they'd never get the truth out of KC and to disprove all her lies they had to start with the phone records and the non existent calls to Zanny. $700 is not much considering it gave them the truth, documented on paper. She could not manipulate her way out of that.

 

[logicalgirl]

Possibly, but once again think about it. THEY PAID OUT $700 That is not a trivial sum of money. Not for something that you could theoretically go to the primary source for. KC. They wouldn't pay $700 because "oh no KC lost THAT sim card so couldn't remember the phone number!". They (or you or I, or any reasonable person) would only pay out that much to back check KC's story. They knew she was lying and were investigating around her lies. It is the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn from that. Just as CA's bank statements show a patern of abuse by KC and an enabling by CA, up until it stopped. Immediately at which point Caylee is never heard from or seen again. Very very chilling. These simple paper printouts tell a much different more believable story of that family and of what happened to Caylee, far more clearly than all the wagging jaws of her family, and their constant lies.

Oh and to the above question. No LE would not have had to pay KC's phone bill to see the records. I suspect that LE had them in hand by the morning of the 16th. Probably within an hour of them making a call to the telco. This was an active missing child / "kidnapping" case. The telco would have erred on the side of giving LE whatever they wanted as quick as they could, and let any needed paperwork or judicial sign offs catch up in a day or two. YM probably had the records waiting for him on his desk when he got back from his little walk with KC at Universal. If he hadn't already seen them.

I think it's important to remember these were early days when CA both knew ICA was a habitual liar, but also was desperately hoping Caylee was still alive and had been kidnapped. I think their primary concern was having an open phone line so the kidnapper could call ICA. It was obvious from the first that CA did not trust the LE, which is interesting considering George used to work for the police dept So it would not have mattered that LE had the records, those two wanted to follow ICA's movements and find out where Caylee really was. IMO. :truce:

 

[Purple Iris]

I've been giving this a lot of thought lately. Very...and I mean very early on, it seemed as if Cindy was willing to look at the truth...but then there was a dramatic change...and everything said was the wackiest stuff I ever heard...no one could wrap their brains around the garbage that was being spewed. I'm thinking that their personal friend/attorney (P. Kelly) must have had a good talk with them...set things out for them to clearly see...that Casey could very well be given the DP for killing her child. I saw his name on a witness list (can't remember which side)...but then IIRC it was was removed. Bottom line...I do believe they know in their heart of hearts that Casey killed Caylee...JMHO

And, the biggest change that we all witnessed was when Casey was bailed out of jail by Leonard Padilla.

Talk about a complete, head snapping, in your face change of all of them. The stories were flying faster than we could obsorb them, the hammers were slamming and whamming, and every day it was something else followed by a WTF??!!?

As George's ex cop friend stated to Tim Miller, "The trueth is in that d@amn bedroom, and, the B@tch won't talk".
Yeah, they knew.........boy, did they ever know, IMO.

 

[countzero]

All the As needed to do was to get ICAs password to her ATT account and they could have viewed the detailed voice and data history on line. So ICA must have refused to disclose the password to LA.

Even if an ATT cell phone is shut down for lack of payment or the account is closed, the billing history is still on line as long as one has the password. By the way, ATT DOES NOT have details of voice and data history on their paper bills. On line only. Verizon is the same too. I have ported numbers between both of these and never had issues viewing past detailed bills on line. I am inclined (no surprise!) to believe this is just another story, paying $700.00 to get the detailed bill, from the As. And if they did pay that sum of $$$$ then they deserved it -- to be stupid; trying to fabricate a believable story. Sheeze ........

 

[logicalgirl]

All the As needed to do was to get ICAs password to her ATT account and they could have viewed the detailed voice and data history on line. So ICA must have refused to disclose the password to LA.

Even if an ATT cell phone is shut down for lack of payment or the account is closed, the billing history is still on line as long as one has the password. By the way, ATT DOES NOT have details of voice and data history on their paper bills. On line only. Verizon is the same too. I have ported numbers between both of these and never had issues viewing past detailed bills on line. I am inclined (no surprise!) to believe this is just another story, paying $700.00 to get the detailed bill, from the As. And if they did pay that sum of $$$$ then they deserved it -- to be stupid; trying to fabricate a believable story. Sheeze ........

So are you saying they did not want the phone kept on? All they wanted to know was information so they could start fabricating stories? Hmm :waitasec: - I remember at this point it was all denial, and looking at everyone else to try to find information on Caylee and her whereabouts, and to try to find out just who Zanny was. Since there didn't appear to be a Zanny and ICA was lying as usual, they don't seem ready to accept there was no such person at all. Each acceptance of each detail brought them closer to the truth they refused to let come to the surface. I remember them resisting each acceptance step along the way by doing and believing the most bizarre people and exhibiting completely bizarre behavior.

Bottom line at this point IMO - not storytelling time yet, way too early - still desperately trying to find any info at all on Caylee.

 

[countzero]

So are you saying they did not want the phone kept on? All they wanted to know was information so they could start fabricating stories? Hmm :waitasec: - I remember at this point it was all denial, and looking at everyone else to try to find information on Caylee and her whereabouts, and to try to find out just who Zanny was. Since there didn't appear to be a Zanny and ICA was lying as usual, they don't seem ready to accept there was no such person at all. Each acceptance of each detail brought them closer to the truth they refused to let come to the surface. I remember them resisting each acceptance step along the way by doing and believing the most bizarre people and exhibiting completely bizarre behavior.

Bottom line at this point IMO - not storytelling time yet, way too early - still desperately trying to find any info at all on Caylee.

All I am saying is this .... the As ONLY needed to get into ICA's ATT on line account to view the current and past voice and data history. Paying ICAs due ATT bill wouldn't have done anything for them but keep the phone on and get another bill as the past/current bill did not have a detailed list of voice and data usage. ICA no doubt deleted her call history in her phone as she used it so getting back the phone to track calls/data wouldn't have done anything for the A's. And we know she kept her contact list under false names too. So what exactly did CA think she would find since LE couldn't find Zanny on ICA's call/text history? Me thinks CA already knew there wouldn't be any Zanny hence the fabrications.

GA knew and Jim C, his LE friend, knew that LE had the capability of getting that information in a timely manner where the A's couldn't unless they went on line to retrieve it. They knew at this point there wasn't any Zanny. But they insisted on making noise like this info would prove ICA was correct -- Zanny had kidnapped Caylee. Much like CA insisted to LE the JCPenney's receipts and statements were insignificant. I do have a question though about this ... I seem to recall that CA stated one time that ICA told her Zanny had CA's phone number. Does anyone else remember this????

I probably should go look at those BOA statements again, the ones where ICA's phone bill was paid from. I am still fuzzy about this $700.00 paid to get ICA's phone re-connected. Something doesn't add up for me other than the extreme amounts removed from the BOA account by ICA.

 

[krisskross]

I think Casey's cell phone service had likely been disconnected by the time the Anthonys tried to get the information. We know Casey tried to use Amy's account July 15th to pay a $574.60 bill that she thought Cindy had taken care of, back on May 8th. Cindy or someone had that amount refunded (from AT&T) back to her BOA account on July 7th.

Maybe when an account gets closed/suspended the records cease to available to the customer on line. We know LE were pulling her phone records on the night of the 15th, early hours of the 16th, from the desktop. How far back they went , we dont know. I think AT&T would immediately disconnect a service, if fraudulent activity was suspected. Amy cancelled her account July 16th and the AT&T transaction on her account may have been included in LE's subpoena. The £700.00 was probably made up of the outstanding $574.60, the new call charges accrued for first half of July, plus a re-connection charge. Only the Courts can get this stuff for free.

While Casey was MIA she used Cindy's account yet again to pay her June phone bill for $377.33. That transaction went through June 30th when she was in Jacksonville. inocchio: Could have been with or without Cindy's blessing. Im sure Cindy was between a rock and a hard place in trying to keep the line of communication going. But seems Casey thought her cell bill was up to date. It's possible Casey only found out about the $574.60 arrears on July 15th when she tries to pay them using Amy's account. That transaction went through (but was subsequently rejected due to NSF) around 17.46 hrs.

By that time, time she had to know it was only a matter of time before Amy discovered her bank account had been cleaned out and by whom. She knew Cindy had found the car. But uppermost in this girl's mind is her friggin cell phone bill.

I'd have been a straight jacket case. Casey Anthony was probably thinking what to make Tony for dinner. They're gonna have to re-write the text books for this .

 

[Lanie]

Caylee was Cindy's granddaughter, but in a lot of ways, because they lived together and Cindy took a lot of responsibility for her, Caylee was like a daughter.

Those of you with children, try to imagine what it would be like to have one of them gone. I will lay money most of you will start to try, but then will be afraid just imagining it might somehow make it come true, so you can't risk it. This is not rational, no, what it is is an instinctual knowledge, even having never gone through it, of how unbearable it is to lose a child.

I don't know the exact moment Cindy pushed Caylee away and made this all about Casey, but at the beginning, it was about Caylee for her. I remember the raw grief in that last 911 call. I remember her telling some LE in an interview, she didn't care where Casey was, (Casey was in jail) she just wanted Caylee back, and to me at least, that statement rang true. IMO, when Cindy first smelled that car, she knew, and then, probably not even consciously, she started scrambling to find something to prove herself wrong. IMO, she went back to work, because who goes back to work right after discovering your daughter murdered your granddaughter. She didn't even look for Caylee in Tony's apartment. IMO, had the car not smelled like death, Cindy would have barged in that apartment and turned it upside down, and probably beat the carp out of Tony had he gotten in her way.


IMO, the phone bill was paid so whoever had Caylee would be able to get in touch with Casey, no matter how much evidence they had staring them in the face Caylee was gone, no matter how ludicrous the story coming out of Casey's mouth was, it was that simple. IMO, had Casey told them Caylee had been abducted by aliens, that phone bill would have been paid. IMO, this was desperation to deny something that was just too hard to bear.

 

[nyvictoria]

I think it's important to remember these were early days when CA both knew ICA was a habitual liar, but also was desperately hoping Caylee was still alive and had been kidnapped. I think their primary concern was having an open phone line so the kidnapper could call ICA. It was obvious from the first that CA did not trust the LE, which is interesting considering George used to work for the police dept So it would not have mattered that LE had the records, those two wanted to follow ICA's movements and find out where Caylee really was. IMO. :truce:

respectfully quoted and bbm

It's JMO but I think the reason Cindy didn't trust LE was because George was a cop. I don't think he simply left the force early because Cindy was worried about his safety. I believe he was forced out for "misbehaving". Whether he was truly a crooked cop, we'll probably never know. Or, maybe we will if the mitigation specialist gets some background info on him.

I agree with your theory why they wanted the records. They were trying to determine where Casey had been before, during and after "the kidnapping".

 

[Just Jayla]

Caylee was Cindy's granddaughter, but in a lot of ways, because they lived together and Cindy took a lot of responsibility for her, Caylee was like a daughter.

Those of you with children, try to imagine what it would be like to have one of them gone. I will lay money most of you will start to try, but then will be afraid just imagining it might somehow make it come true, so you can't risk it. This is not rational, no, what it is is an instinctual knowledge, even having never gone through it, of how unbearable it is to lose a child.

I don't know the exact moment Cindy pushed Caylee away and made this all about Casey, but at the beginning, it was about Caylee for her. I remember the raw grief in that last 911 call. I remember her telling some LE in an interview, she didn't care where Casey was, (Casey was in jail) she just wanted Caylee back, and to me at least, that statement rang true. IMO, when Cindy first smelled that car, she knew, and then, probably not even consciously, she started scrambling to find something to prove herself wrong. IMO, she went back to work, because who goes back to work right after discovering your daughter murdered your granddaughter. She didn't even look for Caylee in Tony's apartment. IMO, had the car not smelled like death, Cindy would have barged in that apartment and turned it upside down, and probably beat the carp out of Tony had he gotten in her way.


IMO, the phone bill was paid so whoever had Caylee would be able to get in touch with Casey, no matter how much evidence they had staring them in the face Caylee was gone, no matter how ludicrous the story coming out of Casey's mouth was, it was that simple. IMO, had Casey told them Caylee had been abducted by aliens, that phone bill would have been paid. IMO, this was desperation to deny something that was just too hard to bear.

BBM-I used to be in 100% agreement on this...however, the entirety of that particular interview was about actively steering LE away from KC and onto Caylee, not for Caylee's sake, but for the simple fact that CA made it clear she was pizzed that OCSO was gonna charge KC. The context of the whole interview just tells a slightly different story, I think she threw in that line about not caring where KC is for some sort of credibility.
She is told countless times by the agents during that interview, and in detail, about how FBI and OCSO had searched and followed up on tips about Caylee, but when they cover the practical with her, she decides to move the conversation to the realm of the ridiculous as far as accusing others/Wanda the plane lady/conspiracy theories...again, not because she wants to hear the truth about Caylee, but because she wants to get the heat off KC. Agents reassure her again and again that all they care about is Caylee, and CA's response? I know my daughter did not kill Caylee.
Someone who wanted the truth about finding/recovering Caylee would have looked at the facts as the pros presented them, not deflected their investigative findings. If she didn't care about KC/cared more about Caylee, she would have accepted that the findings OCSO & FBI presented her with pointed straight at KC and that KC was the only conduit to getting Caylee back.

In the beginning, around the time of the 911 calls, I think you are totally right, CA was in a raw, terrified state. But I don't believe it took more than 24 hours for the truth to start seeping in completely, and from there on out, CA was, in fact, covering for KC and KC alone. She knew Caylee was dead.
Not only did she care that KC was in jail, she was infuriated that KC was in jail.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Caylee was Cindy's granddaughter, but in a lot of ways, because they lived together and Cindy took a lot of responsibility for her, Caylee was like a daughter.

Those of you with children, try to imagine what it would be like to have one of them gone. I will lay money most of you will start to try, but then will be afraid just imagining it might somehow make it come true, so you can't risk it. This is not rational, no, what it is is an instinctual knowledge, even having never gone through it, of how unbearable it is to lose a child.

I don't know the exact moment Cindy pushed Caylee away and made this all about Casey, but at the beginning, it was about Caylee for her. I remember the raw grief in that last 911 call. I remember her telling some LE in an interview, she didn't care where Casey was, (Casey was in jail) she just wanted Caylee back, and to me at least, that statement rang true. IMO, when Cindy first smelled that car, she knew, and then, probably not even consciously, she started scrambling to find something to prove herself wrong. IMO, she went back to work, because who goes back to work right after discovering your daughter murdered your granddaughter. She didn't even look for Caylee in Tony's apartment. IMO, had the car not smelled like death, Cindy would have barged in that apartment and turned it upside down, and probably beat the carp out of Tony had he gotten in her way.


IMO, the phone bill was paid so whoever had Caylee would be able to get in touch with Casey, no matter how much evidence they had staring them in the face Caylee was gone, no matter how ludicrous the story coming out of Casey's mouth was, it was that simple. IMO, had Casey told them Caylee had been abducted by aliens, that phone bill would have been paid. IMO, this was desperation to deny something that was just too hard to bear.

Red Bold by me - good GRACIOUS.. do you know that is the very first time that has even crossed my mind? I can't believe after two years of discussion, this really vital point has never even occurred to me. It was never said by Amy, Cindy, Tony, Casey, or anybody else in that room, that Cindy even once said "Is Caylee here?" Never. And I never thought about that. Oh my god, I'm so sick right now. :cry:

 

[Macushla]

Caylee was Cindy's granddaughter, but in a lot of ways, because they lived together and Cindy took a lot of responsibility for her, Caylee was like a daughter.

Those of you with children, try to imagine what it would be like to have one of them gone. I will lay money most of you will start to try, but then will be afraid just imagining it might somehow make it come true, so you can't risk it. This is not rational, no, what it is is an instinctual knowledge, even having never gone through it, of how unbearable it is to lose a child.

I don't know the exact moment Cindy pushed Caylee away and made this all about Casey, but at the beginning, it was about Caylee for her. I remember the raw grief in that last 911 call. I remember her telling some LE in an interview, she didn't care where Casey was, (Casey was in jail) she just wanted Caylee back, and to me at least, that statement rang true. IMO, when Cindy first smelled that car, she knew, and then, probably not even consciously, she started scrambling to find something to prove herself wrong. IMO, she went back to work, because who goes back to work right after discovering your daughter murdered your granddaughter. She didn't even look for Caylee in Tony's apartment. IMO, had the car not smelled like death, Cindy would have barged in that apartment and turned it upside down, and probably beat the carp out of Tony had he gotten in her way.


IMO, the phone bill was paid so whoever had Caylee would be able to get in touch with Casey, no matter how much evidence they had staring them in the face Caylee was gone, no matter how ludicrous the story coming out of Casey's mouth was, it was that simple. IMO, had Casey told them Caylee had been abducted by aliens, that phone bill would have been paid. IMO, this was desperation to deny something that was just too hard to bear.

I also had never thought about this. This could be taken either of two ways:
that she already knew or feared that Caylee was dead OR she really did believe there was a Nanny and since KC had told her the Nanny had Caylee, of course she wouldn't check Tony's apartment. At this point I honestly don't know which scenario I think is the correct one.

 

[Numbers]

I also had never thought about this. This could be taken either of two ways:
that she already knew or feared that Caylee was dead OR she really did believe there was a Nanny and since KC had told her the Nanny had Caylee, of course she wouldn't check Tony's apartment. At this point I honestly don't know which scenario I think is the correct one.

Cindy's explanation was that she saw the cigarette smoke in the apartment and knew that MOTY would never allow Caylee to be in that environment.

Your interpretation may vary.

 

[Intermezzo]

I think Casey's cell phone service had likely been disconnected by the time the Anthonys tried to get the information. We know Casey tried to use Amy's account July 15th to pay a $574.60 bill that she thought Cindy had taken care of, back on May 8th. Cindy or someone had that amount refunded (from AT&T) back to her BOA account on July 7th.

Maybe when an account gets closed/suspended the records cease to available to the customer on line. We know LE were pulling her phone records on the night of the 15th, early hours of the 16th, from the desktop. How far back they went , we dont know. I think AT&T would immediately disconnect a service, if fraudulent activity was suspected. Amy cancelled her account July 16th and the AT&T transaction on her account may have been included in LE's subpoena. The £700.00 was probably made up of the outstanding $574.60, the new call charges accrued for first half of July, plus a re-connection charge. Only the Courts can get this stuff for free.

While Casey was MIA she used Cindy's account yet again to pay her June phone bill for $377.33. That transaction went through June 30th when she was in Jacksonville. inocchio: Could have been with or without Cindy's blessing. Im sure Cindy was between a rock and a hard place in trying to keep the line of communication going. But seems Casey thought her cell bill was up to date. It's possible Casey only found out about the $574.60 arrears on July 15th when she tries to pay them using Amy's account. That transaction went through (but was subsequently rejected due to NSF) around 17.46 hrs.

By that time, time she had to know it was only a matter of time before Amy discovered her bank account had been cleaned out and by whom. She knew Cindy had found the car. But uppermost in this girl's mind is her friggin cell phone bill.

I'd have been a straight jacket case. Casey Anthony was probably thinking what to make Tony for dinner. They're gonna have to re-write the text books for this .

bbm
I'm glad you pointed that out...I saw that but wasn't sure if it was from a legit. Cindy account or one that Casey opened up...:waitasec: I think I am confused.:waitasec: :innocent:

IMO this is an important statement..Casey was MIA from home, yet she managed, again, to get into Cindy's bank account to pay her phone bill and transfer funds (IMO it was Casey) but then we see REVERSALS...done before Cindy caught up with Casey. Cindy accessed her accounts and saw what was happening...IMO...

3 attempts were made to pay Casey's At&T bill in the amount of $377.33
June 27, July 3 2008 and July 10 2008 (posted dates)

Also on July 10, 2008 there was an online Banking Transfer in the amount of $200

The account was hit with 2 NSF charges on June 30 and July 7 2008

All the above funds plus $574.60 posted on May 8, 2008 were reversed and put back into the bank account.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59182780/Discovery-Pt-1-11022010 page 314

:waitasec:...I think I have that straight...:crazy:

Can't wait to see the SAO lay this all out during trial...

 

[RubyB]

When KC picked up Amy @ the airport she was without Caylee. KC told Amy that she was somewhere(?) w/the nanny, but she was excited because she had been able to talk to Caylee via phone earlier that day. I'm sure Amy related this info to CA on the ride over to TonE's place, and she really had no expectation of finding Caylee there when she arrived.

 

[chefmom]

I think it's important to remember these were early days when CA both knew ICA was a habitual liar, but also was desperately hoping Caylee was still alive and had been kidnapped. I think their primary concern was having an open phone line so the kidnapper could call ICA. It was obvious from the first that CA did not trust the LE, which is interesting considering George used to work for the police dept So it would not have mattered that LE had the records, those two wanted to follow ICA's movements and find out where Caylee really was. IMO. :truce:

BBM

I agree with your logic above, but I think that CA's mistrust with LE was actually a fear of what they may find. She knew KC was no MOTY and what she had done as far as the lies and thievery. I think she just wanted to get to the info before LE did, and when she found out how damning everything looked, she started calling KC MOTY and spouting her mistrust of LE and the conspiracy they were involved in to "get" KC. JMO.

 

[TallyHo]

bbm
I'm glad you pointed that out...I saw that but wasn't sure if it was from a legit. Cindy account or one that Casey opened up...:waitasec: I think I am confused.:waitasec: :innocent:

IMO this is an important statement..Casey was MIA from home, yet she managed, again, to get into Cindy's bank account to pay her phone bill and transfer funds (IMO it was Casey) but then we see REVERSALS...done before Cindy caught up with Casey. Cindy accessed her accounts and saw what was happening...IMO...

3 attempts were made to pay Casey's At&T bill in the amount of $377.33
June 27, July 3 2008 and July 10 2008 (posted dates)

Also on July 10, 2008 there was an online Banking Transfer in the amount of $200

The account was hit with 2 NSF charges on June 30 and July 7 2008

All the above funds plus $574.60 posted on May 8, 2008 were reversed and put back into the bank account.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59182780/Discovery-Pt-1-11022010 page 314

:waitasec:...I think I have that straight...:crazy:

Can't wait to see the SAO lay this all out during trial...

Just thinking out loud here, but here's that July 3rd date popping up again (and again, and again...). I wonder if Cindy didn't check her bank account (online, or via phone??) and see that the $377.73 check had been redeposited. Could this have been one of the reasons for the furious activity of that day?? (or the early part of it, anyway. I'm sure the latter half of the day's argument shifted to "I went to Universal and you were not there" and then finally to "I know where you are and I'm sending Lee after you".) Dunno- just wondering if these bank statement can be compared with what we know took place on July 3rd. :waitasec:

 

[chefmom]

BBM-I used to be in 100% agreement on this...however, the entirety of that particular interview was about actively steering LE away from KC and onto Caylee, not for Caylee's sake, but for the simple fact that CA made it clear she was pizzed that OCSO was gonna charge KC. The context of the whole interview just tells a slightly different story, I think she threw in that line about not caring where KC is for some sort of credibility.
She is told countless times by the agents during that interview, and in detail, about how FBI and OCSO had searched and followed up on tips about Caylee, but when they cover the practical with her, she decides to move the conversation to the realm of the ridiculous as far as accusing others/Wanda the plane lady/conspiracy theories...again, not because she wants to hear the truth about Caylee, but because she wants to get the heat off KC. Agents reassure her again and again that all they care about is Caylee, and CA's response? I know my daughter did not kill Caylee.
Someone who wanted the truth about finding/recovering Caylee would have looked at the facts as the pros presented them, not deflected their investigative findings. If she didn't care about KC/cared more about Caylee, she would have accepted that the findings OCSO & FBI presented her with pointed straight at KC and that KC was the only conduit to getting Caylee back.

In the beginning, around the time of the 911 calls, I think you are totally right, CA was in a raw, terrified state. But I don't believe it took more than 24 hours for the truth to start seeping in completely, and from there on out, CA was, in fact, covering for KC and KC alone. She knew Caylee was dead.
Not only did she care that KC was in jail, she was infuriated that KC was in jail.

Good post, Jayla! IMO, at the very, very beginning, CA was ready to throw KC under the bus to get Caylee back. The sheer grief in her voice in that final 911 call was the one true, raw, unbridled emotional exchange we have from CA in this entire time. 72 hours later, CA has seen some of the evidence, heard the lies KC has now told, witnessed her own daughter refusing to co-operate with LE in helping to find her granddaughter, and now she seems confused a bit. Why isn't KC helping them? No way could KC have harmed Caylee, so what in the he77 is going on here? She starts trying to make the nonsense make sense. "Zanny is generic for babysitter and Jeff is generic for boyfriend." WTF? She knows it doesn't look good, but LE will be waaaay hard on KC if the road leads to murder and CA doesn't want that. There was one jailhouse video where CA is crying before KC gets there. She looks distraught. KC comes in and laughs and asks "Why is she crying?" IMO, this was probably the timeframe that CA started to realize what the most likely scenario was, that Caylee was probably gone, and that KC probably did it. I say probably because in her mind, or anyones mind, even with the evidence staring you in the face, that would be a hard pill to swallow. She really turns on the BS at this point, and she is covering for KC full steam ahead. Later, we saw the silent interview, where CA looks like she is sedated out of her mind. At this time I believe she "had her people search down there" on Suburban, and found something that they knew meant Caylee was dead. They had already done their grieving when RK found her remains, and they flew back to Orlando from their "LieFest '08" tour, met with PIs, attorneys, and media people at the hotel and began the big campaign to free ICA. MOO.

 

[RR0004]

All the As needed to do was to get ICAs password to her ATT account and they could have viewed the detailed voice and data history on line. So ICA must have refused to disclose the password to LA.

Even if an ATT cell phone is shut down for lack of payment or the account is closed, the billing history is still on line as long as one has the password. By the way, ATT DOES NOT have details of voice and data history on their paper bills. On line only. Verizon is the same too. I have ported numbers between both of these and never had issues viewing past detailed bills on line. I am inclined (no surprise!) to believe this is just another story, paying $700.00 to get the detailed bill, from the As. And if they did pay that sum of $$$$ then they deserved it -- to be stupid; trying to fabricate a believable story. Sheeze ........

I thought Lee got a whole bunch of pws from Casey. Why do I think that he DID have access to the phone records?

 

[Just Jayla]

I thought Lee got a whole bunch of pws from Casey. Why do I think that he DID have access to the phone records?

LA did get some passwords, though I think they were for the computer and websites (MySpace, e-mail)...dunno if he ever got the one for her phone records, although I also think recall him telling LE that he had some phone records but was upset he could not get the content of the text messages.
IIRC, some of the passwords were not correct, didn't CA complain to KC that they tried the ones KC gave them but they did not work, to which KC replied that LA had the right ones?
Need to listen to the jail tapes again for this...ugh.