Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

[billywhizz]

Another woman who as a teenager was abducted from a car outside the Cottesloe Beach Hotel and sexually assaulted in late 1989 has also told her story to police for the first time in recent weeks (“Kidnapped teen in Claremont attack”, POST, November 4).Two issues have become starkly clear from information received by the POST since it began publishing new details about the serial killings in October this year.Women who were involved in what could be significant incidents leading to clues identifying the serial killer had not previously come forward.A common theme was that they felt secure believing that police knew who the killer was, and were watching him 24 hours a day.This man was Cottesloe public servant Lance Williams, who has since been eliminated as a suspect by DNA samples that have connected the murderer of Ciara Glennon with the Karrakatta Cemetery rapist.This fact has not been publicly admitted by police.A linked twist is that many young western suburb men and women, who visited Claremont’s very popular nightspots and might have information, left WA in the 1990s to explore the world and further their careers.Many are now returning to live in their home town or to visit family for Christmas, startled to learn that the hunt for the killer who haunted central Claremont is still making progress, and that further information could be valuable.Some who contacted the POST said they had left Perth comfortable in the knowledge that Claremont was safe because the police had the killer under surveillance, not realising they were watching the wrong man.

The POST has revealed that police have established that the killer on occasions drove a white Holden VS Series 1 Commodore, probably a station wagon, and had some connection with screen printing

 

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Ahttp://www.postnewspapers.com.au/

Could cross-matching panel van and station wagon owners help police find the Claremont serial killer?
Police would not say – but a POST reader says it could be worth chasing.Earlier this month the POST re-vealed police know the killer drove a white mid-1990s Holden Commodore VS Series 1, most likely a station wagon, to abduct and murder at least two of his victims (“Two new clues to serial killer”, December 5).“Cops say they can’t match all the people who had a Commodore wagon of that model at that time,” the reader said.“But the first [now connected] rape was prior to that model [with the matching fibres] being released, and the victim reported a panel van, not a station wagon.“Hence a cross match of panel van owners in that year against station wagon owners in the later period should narrow the field.”The reader said checking State Revenue records for stamp duty paid over a short period by the same owner on different vehicles could yield results.

“WAPOL is not going to comment on a reader’s letter based on a story that we didn’t contribute to,” a police spokeswoman said.“Notwithstanding that, WA Police does not comment on what operational lines of inquiry it is or isn’t following for active investigations.”

Pic caption: "A mid 1990s Holden Commodore VS Series 1 station wagon, the model released in April 1995. Police know the killer drove this make and model, probably a station wagon]

That is so obvious but it would not surprise me if no one has actually figured to do the above in WAPOL? I think every man and his dog has had a slice of bungling the case, it is also no surprise the case has Caporn's grubby fingerprints all over it.

Imagine if Police relied on a Post reader to click and decide to cross reference car owners given the victims I.D. , also if you werent sold on the Panel Van and thought commercial van you just run through a list of standard commercial vans too, honestly not rocket science.

 

[silver tongue]

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/

A woman has described her apparent attempted abduction in central Claremont the year before the first known attack by the Claremont serial killer.
The woman gave the POST details of the unreported incident following the paper’s publication of new evidence that police hope will lead them to the killer (POST, December 5).She said she believed the incident had happened in 1994, when she was 18 and out on the town in Claremont with her husband and brother.The teenager found herself alone in a big carpark late at night when a man approached and asked for her help in finding his car keys.He said he thought he had lost them down the back of the driver’s seat of his car, a white Holden Commodore

She opened the front door of the car, but the stranger said it would be much easier to find the keys from the back seat.She got in the back seat and was groping for the keys when she felt the presence of the man behind her, and very close to her.At that moment her brother, who had been urinating in a secluded spot, turned up and said: “What the hell are you doing?”She said she and her brother quickly moved on and she did not see if the car had left.The POST has passed on to police other details, including a description of the man and the identity of the teenager, which it has chosen not to publish.“It was weird but nothing really happened,” the woman said. “I did not see at the time that it might have been significant, and did not report it.” It was not until a year later that another teenager who had been to a nightclub in central Claremont was abducted, blindfolded, tied up and driven to Karrakatta Cemetery, where she was sexually assaulted by the man now known as the Claremont serial killer. She survived (“Fourth serial killer victim”, POST, October 17).The next year, 1996, Sarah Spiers (18) was abducted from a Claremont street after visiting the same nightclub, followed a few months later by Jane Rimmer (23) and Ciara Glennon (27) in 1997.While there is no firm evidence to connect the car-key man to the serial killings, experts in the field say it is very likely the killer would have been familiar with Claremont and responsible for other abductions or attempted abductions before and after the known “Claremont series”.

Can't have been a 95 white holden commodore, but still interesting. Girl must have been absolutely trashed/guy must have appeared extremely non-threatening.

another white commodore ?

 

[Mel 1303]

Have you tried to find out how old he is?

He seems to be early 60's.

His name came up a number of times in Debi Marshall's book. I have just re read the book- by the end of it, I wondered if the doctor was the suspect Marshall was alluding to.

 

[Sutton]

He seems to be early 60's.

His name came up a number of times in Debi Marshall's book. I have just re read the book- by the end of it, I wondered if the doctor was the suspect Marshall was alluding to.

But is he the person referred to on the CIA docu?

 

[Mel 1303]

But is he the person referred to on the CIA docu?

Not if I have his age right- he would have been early 40's back then, so older than the person referred to in the documentary.

 

[Sutton]

Why would you make multiple aliases up, whats the deal with being Bartholomeous and quickstraw? Sounds a little odd to be posting here under multiple names

He used the screen name Quickstraw on BigFooty.

He uses the screen name Bartholemeus on Websleuths.

This isn't odd. Many posters use different screen names on other forums.

 

[Sutton]

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/

A woman has described her apparent attempted abduction in central Claremont the year before the first known attack by the Claremont serial killer.
The woman gave the POST details of the unreported incident following the paper’s publication of new evidence that police hope will lead them to the killer (POST, December 5).She said she believed the incident had happened in 1994, when she was 18 and out on the town in Claremont with her husband and brother.The teenager found herself alone in a big carpark late at night when a man approached and asked for her help in finding his car keys.He said he thought he had lost them down the back of the driver’s seat of his car, a white Holden Commodore

She opened the front door of the car, but the stranger said it would be much easier to find the keys from the back seat.She got in the back seat and was groping for the keys when she felt the presence of the man behind her, and very close to her.At that moment her brother, who had been urinating in a secluded spot, turned up and said: “What the hell are you doing?”She said she and her brother quickly moved on and she did not see if the car had left.The POST has passed on to police other details, including a description of the man and the identity of the teenager, which it has chosen not to publish.“It was weird but nothing really happened,” the woman said. “I did not see at the time that it might have been significant, and did not report it.” It was not until a year later that another teenager who had been to a nightclub in central Claremont was abducted, blindfolded, tied up and driven to Karrakatta Cemetery, where she was sexually assaulted by the man now known as the Claremont serial killer. She survived (“Fourth serial killer victim”, POST, October 17).The next year, 1996, Sarah Spiers (18) was abducted from a Claremont street after visiting the same nightclub, followed a few months later by Jane Rimmer (23) and Ciara Glennon (27) in 1997.While there is no firm evidence to connect the car-key man to the serial killings, experts in the field say it is very likely the killer would have been familiar with Claremont and responsible for other abductions or attempted abductions before and after the known “Claremont series”.

Can't have been a 95 white holden commodore, but still interesting. Girl must have been absolutely trashed/guy must have appeared extremely non-threatening.

Bundy used a similar trick successfully. He would claim he dropped his keys on the ground near his car, and ask girls to help him find them. When she bent down to look, he'd hit her in the back of the head/neck and then move her into his car.

 

[papertrail]

JC went to Iona.

Yep well aware of that, but did she attend Hollywood High at any time ?

 

[papertrail]

LW didn`t have the hatred for rich stuck up females from the Claremont Quarter as the CSK did. The CSK came from the same mould as Eric Edgar Cooke albeit late 60`s transported to the mid 90`s. Cooke had a hair lip. Was probably made fun of. In fact he was. People spurned him. He decided to take them to task about it all, & those who humiliating him. JC case in 1988 was most likely a jealous ex boyfriend. It was not Claremont at all. Now; It is quite simply that some of the society girls at Claremont didn`t take a shine to the csk at all. And maybe, maybe he got them back. But not the original girls who maybe arced him up.(ones that ignored him) He probably never saw them again. Might have tried to find them at the OBH again. But looks darn likely he sought someone suitable.

It may not have been 'hatred' that was his trigger; more likely rejection. And we have the girl who he described as a girlfriend detailed by Debi Marshall when in fact they had only every had one date which entailed going to the movies. I wonder if 'the movies' was in fact this girl was taken to the drive-in theatre at Swanbourne where the 1989 attempted rape occurred. I wonder if this girl was a blonde and attended Iona or Hollywood High.

 

[papertrail]

Bundy used a similar trick successfully. He would claim he dropped his keys on the ground near his car, and ask girls to help him find them. When she bent down to look, he'd hit her in the back of the head/neck and then move her into his car.

Bundy also wore 'false' plaster casts didn't he to hook his intended victim to assist him ?

 

[papertrail]

I know my local stalker originally from Brisbane, originally from Perth before that, went on about 161 degrees etc. All sorts of angles actually. She was totally full of it. It was all totally made up. Even mentioned she went to school with the girls from the Claremont locale. Someone questioned her out re Iona & she could not come out with the answers, which she should have if she went there as she said. LW is not the CSK by the way. You may as well go back to daytime television or maybe seek a job. This won`t be solved, unless someone comes up with something so compelling to show he is still out there. Maybe it will pop up somewhere.. Maybe I`m just sitting on the fence re this. But I doubt anything will show up. Not with all this dna they say they have..

The police haven't said they have anything

What we are reading about the DNA link is all coming from Bret; and this information may or may not be coming from a police source. If it is in fact coming from a police source, it may well be 'fed out' this way to make their suspect feel more 'comfortable'.

 

[papertrail]

Allegation- a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.

2 Web sleuth members (whom I have quoted in previous posts) have made the allegation. I'm taking it with a grain of salt too, but it's worth discussing just as much as any point you raise.

why don't you start up a discussion on this 'missing tool'

 

[papertrail]

on 19 June 1996 (wednesday) a Canadian tourist described as a 22yo woman left Hip-E Club which was situated near the cnr of Oxford and Newcastle St Leederville at 3am, walking towards central Perth, was abducted from corner of Roe and Newcastle Streets and taken to an area in Mt Lawley. She fought off her attacker who was described as of medium building, 187cms tall with shoulder-length brown hair and driving a light coloured vehicle. He wore a checked shirt, blue jeans and white shoes ( so he belonged to the white-shoe brigade ).

Very similar description to Karrakatta guy !

this abduction, as far as I can tell, was only reported in South Australia and NSW on 20 June 1996.

I certainly hope the task force looked further into this abduction.

I think this abduction is linked. What is also interesting (to me) is that in 1997 and onwards for a couple of years, there were many many blonde girls fed rohypnol in nightclubs. Reported cases in victoria are interesting because the guy the girls described there was that he presented them with a hot chocolate drink. He also drove a white commodore.

 

[silver tongue]

the girl that nearly got her self abducted in the car park by the slippery car key trickster
got a good look at him so did her bro
a police artists impression of the suspect should be forthcoming,with facial ageing technology we may get are first look at the csk

 

[papertrail]

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/

A woman has described her apparent attempted abduction in central Claremont the year before the first known attack by the Claremont serial killer.
The woman gave the POST details of the unreported incident following the paper’s publication of new evidence that police hope will lead them to the killer (POST, December 5).She said she believed the incident had happened in 1994, when she was 18 and out on the town in Claremont with her husband and brother.The teenager found herself alone in a big carpark late at night when a man approached and asked for her help in finding his car keys.He said he thought he had lost them down the back of the driver’s seat of his car, a white Holden Commodore

She opened the front door of the car, but the stranger said it would be much easier to find the keys from the back seat.She got in the back seat and was groping for the keys when she felt the presence of the man behind her, and very close to her.At that moment her brother, who had been urinating in a secluded spot, turned up and said: “What the hell are you doing?”She said she and her brother quickly moved on and she did not see if the car had left.The POST has passed on to police other details, including a description of the man and the identity of the teenager, which it has chosen not to publish.“It was weird but nothing really happened,” the woman said. “I did not see at the time that it might have been significant, and did not report it.” It was not until a year later that another teenager who had been to a nightclub in central Claremont was abducted, blindfolded, tied up and driven to Karrakatta Cemetery, where she was sexually assaulted by the man now known as the Claremont serial killer. She survived (“Fourth serial killer victim”, POST, October 17).The next year, 1996, Sarah Spiers (18) was abducted from a Claremont street after visiting the same nightclub, followed a few months later by Jane Rimmer (23) and Ciara Glennon (27) in 1997.While there is no firm evidence to connect the car-key man to the serial killings, experts in the field say it is very likely the killer would have been familiar with Claremont and responsible for other abductions or attempted abductions before and after the known “Claremont series”.

Can't have been a 95 white holden commodore, but still interesting. Girl must have been absolutely trashed/guy must have appeared extremely non-threatening.

What is disturbing about Bret's article this week appears on page 33 (in black box with white print) in which it is stated "The Post has revealed that the Police have established that the killer on occasions drove a white Holden VS Series 1 Commodore, probably a station wagon, and had some connection to screen printing"

We have only been told of one occasion (by Bret) and that is connected to CG so the use of plural is interesting. And the inclusion of the word 'probably' is disconcerting.

My view on the 'stamp duty search' article is that it would be nigh impossible to find and identify the driver of the VS Commodore this way because it may or may not have been directly connected to him via ownership, may have been a test drive vehicle, a fleet vehicle, or an out of town vehicle or out of State vehicle and the same goes with the panel van or a borrowed vehicle.

I do hope the police have checked to see if a light coloured panel van had been involved in or witnessed at, any other crime scene or crime-related event in the general Claremont area or nearby...say Mosman Park.

 

[papertrail]

the girl that nearly got her self abducted in the car park by the slippery car key trickster
got a good look at him so did her bro
a police artists impression of the suspect should be forthcoming,with facial ageing technology we may get are first look at the csk

Silver what are your thoughts on the Leederville abduction I posted about yesterday ? The Canadian tourist also gave a very good description of guy, clothing and vehicle to police. I wonder if Bret is aware of this one ?

 

[silver tongue]

every thing points to it being the csk but one problem'
she got away
i think if it was him she wouldnt of escaped

 

[papertrail]

every thing points to it being the csk but one problem'
she got away
i think if it was him she wouldnt of escaped

Karrakatta girl survived and her attack has been linked to the killer ! He may not have been (pre) prepared and just happened upon her and took his chance.

 

[enzeder]

I missed this December 12, 2015 Post article so I'll post it here in case others missed it as well.

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Screen shots from article at below link.

Is this a vital piece of evidence? - By BRET CHRISTIAN - POST, December 12, 2015 – Page 5 - Continued – Page 105
Read more: http://postnewspapers.com.au/editions/20151212/pdf/paper.pdf