Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

[OldDude]

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[Basilisk]

Looks a bit like a taxi driver?

 

[Parkie]

Possible. Maybe an old school friend. See if they can work on this. Been a long time but who knows.

 

[Sutton]

in court today:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-26/police-charge-man-over-historic-bicton-rape-case/6886298

I think this might be Paul Dennis Clare they are referring to. The 2015 article above says the man being charged is 54.

This 2006 article from the Associated Press reads,

Paul Clare, 43, was convicted on Friday of attacking a 16-year-old girl as she left a Braintree nightclub in the early hours of November, 2004.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t1345.htm

So depending on what year the article is referring to (2004 or 2006), Clare would be 54 or 52 in 2015.

Clare also committed similar crimes to the one in the most recent article--he would break into homes and burglary played a part in his crimes. He did weird things like take scissors as a weapon and he perpetrated a 'sexual bomb hoax' (and other odd things as well).

Clare has been imprisoned in the UK for a 2004 rape.

He is (or was) a POI in the 1989-1990 sexual assaults in Kings Park.

Clare has been eliminated as a CSK suspect. I will link an article in a separate post, there are quite a few available stating he is not a CSK suspect (just trying to avoid confusion, not trying to tell others what to believe).

 

[Sutton]

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2006-04-04/convicted-rapist-a-suspect-in-kings-park-sexual/1723852

Here's one.

I have read other articles stating Clare is no longer a suspect, maybe someone else can post one, if they find it first.

 

[papertrail]

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2006-04-04/convicted-rapist-a-suspect-in-kings-park-sexual/1723852

Here's one.

I have read other articles stating Clare is no longer a suspect, maybe someone else can post one, if they find it first.

Sutton you must be reading my mind; poor you.

Found a great 'front on' photo of Paul Anthony Clare (attached).

http://www.mako.org.au/paul-anthony-clare.html

MAKO website also has one in which he appears younger. I've been swapping either way if he could be responsible for the Claremont murders and Sarah Spiers' abduction but I think it highly likely he could be the 1989 rapist that was detailed in the Postnewspaper a couple of weeks ago; and just may be responsible for the other rapes in and around Claremont leading up to 1996. It would be good if Bret could publish something about Clare because he has flown well and truly under the radar. There are various newspaper articles written about him in which Jeff Byleveld apparently detailed that Clare was not in the WA police radar due to him already serving a sentence in the UK. You will find that up until recent times, Australian police had that attitude. If someone else has got him we'll let it sit. I think the (also) recent articles in which WA police said they were checking former burglaries and sexual assaults gives a hint of what they're up to. I have mentioned it previously but got scoffed at for doing so; but here was have a perpetrator that also committed burglaries. I don't think Clare will be the guy charged with the historic rape in Bicton though because I don't see how Clare could have made it back into Australia with his (now) UK record. Unless of course they have extradited him but I would have thought the journos would have gotten a sniff of that and published.

Could Clare be the 34yo referred to in the CIA documentary?

He looks pretty fit but I haven't been able to find anything that links him to martial arts. Articles state that in WA he was a 'driver'. What kind of driver; taxi?? Did he have access to a light coloured van? In UK he was a sales consultant / manager; what did he sell? It appears that at the time he offended he was staying in overnight accommodation. Chilling that he raped this 16yo girl at 2.30am and had offered to walk her home safely. http://www.hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/Rape-girl-denies-flirted/story-21859570-detail/story.html


I've got a strong gut feeling that Clare immigrated to Australia with his parents and siblings. Checking a couple of things before I post anything further on that.


His photo needs to get out there everyone.

 

[elastic]

Gee the way this thread is going, and with the new MM evidence, it would not surprise me if Papertrail cracks the case before WAPOL.

Amazingly the old articles say they ruled Clare out. But there was an article recently that clearly said they were 're looking into some of the old rapes etc around the area' so that automatically means the old articles are no longer accurate and something has sparked another look at some of the old known rapists in the area.

I am amazed Brett Christian doesnt report more on the old rapes etc and whether suspects had been identified for these rapes, or are they all still unsolved rapes with absolutely no POI's?

Another amazing thing that has recently come out about the case is how many rapes and sexual assaults occured, alot of them followed a pattern of most of the rapes and assaults occurring in the late night hours and many of the victims had been to clubs and pubs...

How could there literally be so many rapes and assaults in one of Perth's richest most affluent suburbs without a thorough Police investigation into any of them, and less so the reporting in the media given the high class nature of the area.

Now lets all be honest here:
Something does not sit right with this case. The lack of investigating in Perth wealthiest suburb. The reports of a police officers son possibly offering lifts, the MM video footage hidden from the public and obviously recently the revealing of more camera angles showing MM was actually a patron at the club. All this added together seems like someone may or just maybe have some protection from someone quite high up, I wonder if whoever investigated this got to a point and they realise there was possibly police involvement, or involvement from some police officers family member/s. Could the Police officer with involvement have dirt of the detectives doing the inquiries? is that why we will never EVER for the light of day EVER see a coronial inquest? is there too much at stake?

I think we will solve this anyways even if the Police are stalled on the case, was evidence tampered with by the Police to throw the investigation off?

I would love to see how this investigation turns out, sadly it will have the same fate as Julie Cutler, Anne Zapelli, Gerrard Ross etc. Go nowhere and time will forget the poor victims

 

[Sutton]

...Amazingly the old articles say they ruled Clare out. But there was an article recently that clearly said they were 're looking into some of the old rapes etc around the area' so that automatically means the old articles are no longer accurate and something has sparked another look at some of the old known rapists in the area...

RSBM. I am not trying to sway anyone into believing Clare was or wasn't involved.

I am 100% convinced Clare was not involved in the CSK attacks. He committed some outrageous assaults, that really make you wonder if he has all of his mental capacities intact:

1. Broke into a home, hid in the wardrobe with lubricant and sex toys. Assaulted woman.
2. Broke into a home, had scissors as a weapon. Assaulted woman.
3. Wrote a woman a letter, threatened to detonate an explosive if she did not masturbate (this is the sex-related bomb threat).
4. Tried to walk a 16 year-old girl home and kiss her. Raped her when she told him he was too old.

The CSK abducted women in his vehicle, assaulted them in a second location and disposed of their bodies in a third location. He attacked Karrakatta in a blitz attack, bound her, and obstructed her vision before transporting her to a second location and raping her.

Some might disagree with my reasoning, and still consider Clare a possibility for CSK. That's fine--I could be wrong.

But how does your argument, "police are looking into old rapes in the area, which means old articles are automatically inaccurate, which means Clare is still a suspect" make any sense?

They are looking into old rapes. Police never said, we've solved every rape in the area, and none are related. How does this relate to Clare or possibly inaccurate articles?

I'm not challenging your belief that Clare should be kept on your list of possibilities. Maybe you think police are wrong. Or there is a conspiracy. But I am confused by the reasoning in your post.

 

[Sutton]

Luke Eliot wrote an article for The West Australian published on April 5, 2006 (page 18), titled, UK rapist still a suspect but not for Claremont
I cannot paste it but I am going to summarize and quote any relevant portions, without being biased to my own beliefs. (Italicized text indicates direct quotes.)

The article says Clare was one of eight POIs the Schramm committee looked into.

But major crime Det-Supt Jeff Byleveld said the inquiry had eliminated Paul Clare, 43, a Briton who lived in WA for 20 years.

The article says Clare is still a suspect in the 1989-1990 Kings Park rapes.

Supt Byleveld said WA Police had done extensive work regarding Clare, a sexual predator who was still being investigated.

"We’ve looked at him (Clare) in relation to Macro, he has been extensively investigated and at this stage he is not a suspect in that inquiry,” he said.

The article says Macro identified Clare as a POI in 1999, due to third party information and his suspected involvement in the Kings Park rapes.
------End-----

This article slightly indicates Clare could be considered again.

The other articles I've read (there were more available at one time), state, flat-out, Clare is not a POI.

 

[Sutton]

Papertrail

I am eager to see your timestamp reconciliation of the MM footage. I started to do one myself, and to identify each person videoed (when and where they were standing, which frames they appeared in, which cameras was recording). It is a meticulous task!

I have some questions, and have already seen MM many times (overactive imagination), but I am going to wait until you post your findings before I pose them.

 

[elastic]

Luke Eliot wrote an article for The West Australian published on April 5, 2006 (page 18), titled, UK rapist still a suspect but not for Claremont
I cannot paste it but I am going to summarize and quote any relevant portions, without being biased to my own beliefs. (Italicized text indicates direct quotes.)

The article says Clare was one of eight POIs the Schramm committee looked into.

But major crime Det-Supt Jeff Byleveld said the inquiry had eliminated Paul Clare, 43, a Briton who lived in WA for 20 years.

The article says Clare is still a suspect in the 1989-1990 Kings Park rapes.

Supt Byleveld said WA Police had done extensive work regarding Clare, a sexual predator who was still being investigated.

"We’ve looked at him (Clare) in relation to Macro, he has been extensively investigated and at this stage he is not a suspect in that inquiry,” he said.

The article says Macro identified Clare as a POI in 1999, due to third party information and his suspected involvement in the Kings Park rapes.
------End-----

This article slightly indicates Clare could be considered again.

The other articles I've read (there were more available at one time), state, flat-out, Clare is not a POI.

I think you have misread alot of my post. I merely stated that maybe he has been ruled back in as a suspect, obviously as they look back into the case. It would be a fitting finale if the 'clare'mont serial killer turned out to be Clare, you couldnt make that up. In all honesty i dont think its him anyway, but it wouldnt surprise me if they were having an honest hard look at him based on his history.

Clare seems to meet alot of the circumstantial evidence picked up in a few articles though.

You ignored most of my main post anyway, that concerned MM who could quite possibly me a POI now we know he was inside the club (thanks to papertrail) -i'm also interested in seeing papertrails timestamp. If MM was inside the club(offering lifts etc), alone at the club too, then he brings a different angle to the investigation.

Now we know there was more MM footage kept from the public, hos face was possibly picked up if it was him putting his head out the door looking for people too, very odd behaviour, not saying it was 100% him but definitely looked similar.

MM may be a police officers son, if he is, he may have been protected, or someone knew and made him leave the state for his own good. But he could be a rapist, a stalker, a predator out at night luring girls near his car and bungling them in around his familiar night spot.

The police officer thing is not proven, but given how suspicious these crimes are and how little the rapes and assaults appear to have been inveatigated raises some alarming questions. Really. All seems a little to suspicious given how affluent the area is.

I think we will find out theres probably more to this case.

That incoherent rantist on twitter beleives the julies killer is the csk, he then mentions the csk is a former boyfriend? Is MM a former boyfriend of Julie Cutler? Who knows? I reckon will all the evidence out there on the table we would all comfortably solve this case.

All the main investigators are rotten, it was during the caporn hancock era of shenanigans.. We wont really know what happened in the crucial early years because of incompetance and negligence. The Police have ducked and dived around the coronial inquest ever since. Something smells

 

[elastic]

I also think Donald Morey, Francis Wark are potential suspects too that have never been ruled out anywhere.

It would be a scary thought if a population as small as WA had 4 serial killers running around simultaneously:
Francis Wark
Donald Morey
Claremont Serial Killer
Richard Dorrough

I would be having a hard look at the people we know have form

 

[elastic]

You also hae Mark Dixie in Perth at the time, another psychopath. Perth must have been a very unpleasent place in those days

 

[Sutton]

I also think Donald Morey, Francis Wark are potential suspects too that have never been ruled out anywhere.

It would be a scary thought if a population as small as WA had 4 serial killers running around simultaneously:
Francis Wark
Donald Morey
Claremont Serial Killer
Richard Dorrough

I would be having a hard look at the people we know have form

BBM. Is Wark a serial killer?

 

[silver tongue]

what sort of a question is that? everybody in perth knows this dog killed hayley dodd and is now serving time in A QLD JAIL for attempted murder rape and so on . He is also number one suspect in several cold cases. sutton did you mean to say is wark a serial killer or the claremont serial killer????

 

[Sutton]

what sort of a question is that? everybody in perth knows this dog killed hayley dodd and is now serving time in A QLD JAIL for attempted murder rape and so on . He is also number one suspect in several cold cases. sutton did you mean to say is wark a serial killer or the claremont serial killer????

Slow your roll.

That was a direct question.

Someone who's killed one person and attempted another murder is not a serial killer. If that question offended you, you need to look up the definition of a serial killer. From what you said in your post, Wark was a murderer.

Was Wark a serial killer? Yes or no.

 

[silver tongue]

i know the definition of a serial killer it is some one who has taken 3 lives or more. i will tell you what wark is; some body who picked up an innocent 16 year old girl with the world at her feet an angel ; she had hopes dreams and aspirations.she had no idea of the evil in this world' wark is the work of the devil him self; evil sickand twisted rip hayley dodd

 

[Sutton]

BBM. Is Wark a serial killer?

what sort of a question is that? everybody in perth knows this dog killed hayley dodd and is now serving time in A QLD JAIL for attempted murder rape and so on . He is also number one suspect in several cold cases. sutton did you mean to say is wark a serial killer or the claremont serial killer????

i know the definition of a serial killer it is some one who has taken 3 lives or more. i will tell you what wark is; some body who picked up an innocent 16 year old girl with the world at her feet an angel ; she had hopes dreams and aspirations.she had no idea of the evil in this world' wark is the work of the devil him self; evil sickand twisted rip hayley dodd

No argument here.

You directed an accusatory post at me for questioning Wark's classification as a serial killer. I am replying to that post.

You need to adjust your tone or consult a moderator immediately.

Elastic listed Wark as a Perth area serial killer. I asked if Wark was a serial killer.

If you knew Hayley Dodd, I'm sorry for what happened to her. I am a victims' advocate, and am not defending Francis Wark. I am just stating Wark isn't a serial killer.

 

[elastic]

No argument here.

You directed an accusatory post at me for questioning Wark's classification as a serial killer. I am replying to that post.

You need to adjust your tone or consult a moderator immediately.

Elastic listed Wark as a Perth area serial killer. I asked if Wark was a serial killer.

If you knew Hayley Dodd, I'm sorry for what happened to her. I am a victims' advocate, and am not defending Francis Wark. I am just stating Wark isn't a serial killer.

Obviously its not proven by i suspect we are about to find out he is, he is at the very least a serial rapist, which makes him fit the profile of other crimes that have occured.

He will ultimately be at the crossroads now that he is going to go down for killing Hayley. He will be facing a life sentence, and if he ever wants to be released then he will have to fess up now to all his crimes and hope he serves them concurrently and hope he has an attorny general with a soft spot for muderers who are also rapists. If he does not and doesnt admit to hayleys murder then he will have to risk an attorny general hell bent on keeping him locked away for not showing any remorse. If future advances in forensics determine he killed anyone else later down the track he will serve that time on top regardless as it wont run concurrently so he will be locked away for good no matter what. Its a risk each way but i wouldnt want to be Wark right now as he has no options really but to fess up and hope for freedom by being as remorceful as possible. I reckon he will be deemed 'never to be released ' one day. If that happens if he wants to be remembered he will fess up anyway. Its a twisted world we live in but im sure he will crave the infamy.

Serial killer or not , well im pretty sure he is, but can i prove it now? No. Doesnt mean he isnt though.

 

[Bartholemeus]

i know the definition of a serial killer it is some one who has taken 3 lives or more. i will tell you what wark is; some body who picked up an innocent 16 year old girl with the world at her feet an angel ; she had hopes dreams and aspirations.she had no idea of the evil in this world' wark is the work of the devil him self; evil sickand twisted rip hayley dodd

How about we stick to facts rather than emotions?

As far as we know Wark isn't a serial killer but we don't know if he's done more or would have done more. I think everyone agrees withelastic and yourself that he's a very dodgy bloke. Let's not overplay it with emotion though or argue over split hairs.

For me the chances of Wark being the CSK are slim. But a good point elastic brought up previously was, "just how many serial killers can you have in one geographical area?". Perth has almost 2m people. There's an alarming amount of killers getting around. From what we know of Morey and Wark, I believe they'd both keep killing if they weren't caught so I believe they were heading to serial killer stardom. Then there's the CSK who I think is someone else.